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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.

Note: You may want to refer to the list of raga based film songs before posting a query.

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• From: anu (@ 158.210.80.99) on: Wed Jun 30 03:25:52 EDT 1999
  
  
  i want to know from which movie a particular song is. i think it s sung by unnikrishnan,
  its like this
  "nalai ulagam illai enral anbey enna seivai
  oru noor andu vazhum vazhkai oru nalail vazhthu kolven"
  can anyone please help me out. its urgent
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Wed Jun 30 05:52:36 EDT 1999
  
  Ramkumar Perumanam: It's definitely in Neelamani, it was confirmed by Ganesh/Kumaresh's Dad in India.
  
  Anu: Naalai Ulagam is from Lovebirds(*rring Prabu Deva and Nagma, filmed in London, MD AR Rahman). It is set in Kaafi Raagam.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Wed Jun 30 05:53:23 EDT 1999
  
  Ramkumar Perumanam: It's definitely in Neelamani, it was confirmed by Ganesh/Kumaresh's Dad in India. Nice to see you back in the Raga Page. By the way, I met Bombay Jayashri a few weeks ago, she's touring Europe.
  
  Anu: Naalai Ulagam is from Lovebirds(*rring Prabu Deva and Nagma, filmed in London, MD AR Rahman). It is set in Kaafi Raagam.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ sfr-qbu-pqj-vty63.as.wcom.net) on: Wed Jun 30 16:06:05 EDT 1999
  
  Geetha,
  Neela Mani is a Janya of Sarasangi and goes like SR2M1PD1N3S+. 'Nalamthana...' seems to use D2 also in the charaNam and even N2 (PuNNpatta seithiai kettavudan). Am I going wrong somewhere ?
  BTW, where can I get info on raagas using multiple swarams of the same kind (chromatic?) like D1,D2 N1,N3 etc ? Any info you can part with will be extremely helpful.
  
  
• From: Hari (@ cache1.uwo.ca) on: Wed Jun 30 16:56:34 EDT 1999
  
  Hi,
  
  I think there is a variant of Neelamani that uses Sa ri2 ma1 pa dha1 dha2 sa. This scale is the one used in chinnan chiru kiliye. The dha 2 is very slight, towards the end...
  
  Neelamani is tonic shift equivalent to mishra sivaranjani: use the pa of shivaranjani as sa. Mishra sivaranjani uses ga3 once in a while. To me Nalanthaana is in the sivaranjani scale. But, like Geetha, you could be hearing it in the neelamani scale. Depends on where you pitch your sa. Though, the music preceeding the song seems to indicate that sivaranjani is the scale...
  
  Sriram:
  
  As far as I know, Piloo is the only totally chromatic scale. You should probably look towards hindustani music. As far as I know, there is only one film song that is completely chromatic.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ sfr-qbu-pqd-vty80.as.wcom.net) on: Wed Jun 30 18:41:59 EDT 1999
  
  Hari, what I actually needed was , info on Ragams with variants like you mentioned , Neelamani (D1 & D2). Is there any material available on the net or you could give me ?
  
  
• From: Hari (@ cache1.uwo.ca) on: Wed Jun 30 20:23:44 EDT 1999
  
  Hi Sriram,
  
  I guess I misunderstood your question. I don't know if such info as you need is available on the net. I can think of one ragam: hamsanadham. The copy book version seems to be from nitimati: sa ri2 ma2 pa ni2 ni3 sa. However, most carnatic singers avoid ni2, de-vivadhifying, so to speak!
  Film music uses a variant with dha2 in place of ni2 (also throwing in ma1 for good measure).
  
  I will let you know as and when I think of something in this class. One thing you can do is to look up the raga prahavam book for ragaas with multiple janaka ragas.
  
  Hari
  
  
• From: Dhandapani (@ 207.12.164.181) on: Fri Jul 2 13:32:28 EDT 1999
  
  I just read following article on Hindu.
  Looks interesing.
  http://www.the-hindu.com/stories/09020707.htm
  
  
  
• From: Dhandapani (@ 207.12.164.181) on: Fri Jul 2 13:39:44 EDT 1999
  
  Also found following link on this same issue
  
  
• From: Dhandapani (@ 207.12.164.181) on: Fri Jul 2 13:44:55 EDT 1999
  
  oops,
  sorry missed this link
  
  http://www.chennaievents.com/chips/features/contributers/vcd.asp
  
  
• From: saketh (@ chem-pc-44.rutgers.edu) on: Fri Jul 2 18:52:45 EDT 1999
  
  what is the raga of the song "Aandavane, un paadhangalai naan" from the movie "oli vilakku" (MGR starrer). Is it sivaranjani by any chance?Also,what is the raga of the song"vaigai karaiyinil oru paravai" from the movie "natchatthiram" (sripriya starrer)? thanx
  
  
• From: SK (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Jul 2 21:54:01 EDT 1999
  
  Dhandapani:
  
  I had a look at Sowmya and Shashikiran's
  Carnatica material: a CD-ROM and a video cassette
  (probably the same content as in the VCD). I was
  unimpressed! To me, the set of audio cassettes
  by S. Rajeswari, Lecturer, TN Music College, and
  released by HMV, is much more useful (and much
  cheaper too).
  
  
• From: bb (@ dialup-209.244.116.136.houston1.level3.net) on: Tue Jul 6 23:20:12 EDT 1999
  
  ramaswamy G has put up avathaaram in his page where he mentions that oru kundhumani kulungudhadi is in harikaambOdhi. is this a pure one, or just based on harikaambOdhi?
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Wed Jul 7 13:09:13 EDT 1999
  
  SK,
  
  Can you give me more on the Rajeshwari's album you are referring to??
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ sfr-pci-pqr-vty30.as.wcom.net) on: Thu Jul 8 05:20:05 EDT 1999
  
  Hari, belated thanks. Is SindhuBhairavi not a chromatic scale ? Does not a version of this raaga have all the 12 notes ? Again, I was looking for raagas with variations too, like Desh could have N2 and N3 sometimes etc.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Fri Jul 9 01:43:18 EDT 1999
  
  SL:
  
  Does Sindhu bhairavi have M2 ? If it is included you may be right.
  
  Just wishing that the raga experts in the thread visit my Malayalam songs page to give me the ragas of various songs I have in it. I have tried a preliminary one.
  
  The URL is:
  
  http://members.xoom.com/shatjam/mallusongs.html
  
  Thx
  
  MS
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ mail.netrisk.com) on: Fri Jul 9 13:55:04 EDT 1999
  
  i read sw on net, Behag uses both m1 and m2. How about ananda- bhairavi? i think it uses d2,d3.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Fri Jul 9 14:14:10 EDT 1999
  
  Just updated my page with Kadri's Saxophone rhapsody in the Carnatic section. If interested , please check out.
  
  http://members.xoom.com/shatjam/
  
  MS
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Thu Jul 15 01:01:41 EDT 1999
  
  Just updated my page with Santhaanam's Pancharathna krithis...If interested please check out.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ snfcba02-32.splitrock.net) on: Thu Jul 15 01:21:10 EDT 1999
  
  Vasu,
  I think Hamir Kalyani uses both M1 and M2.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Wed Jul 21 10:19:34 EDT 1999
  
  Sriram L: The Raga SARANGA uses both M1/M2.
  
  Aarohanam: S R G M2 P D N S(Exactly Kalyani)
  Avarohanam: S N D P M2 R G M1 R S
  
  
• From: SK (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Jul 21 10:51:35 EDT 1999
  
  Geetha and Sriram:
  
  I read somewhere that chandhrodhayam oru
  peNNaanadhO is in saranga. Is that right?
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Wed Jul 21 10:57:12 EDT 1999
  
  SK: Sorry, I haven't heard this song. Please tell me the movie it's from and I'll try to listen to it.
  
  
• From: pae (@ globalb25.citicorp.com) on: Wed Jul 21 12:19:12 EDT 1999
  
  I think the song, konja neram ennai maranthaen... is in Saranga
  
  
• From: pae (@ globalb25.citicorp.com) on: Wed Jul 21 12:19:37 EDT 1999
  
  I think the song, konja neram ennai maranthaen... is in Saranga
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ clk123.co.alachua.fl.us) on: Wed Jul 21 13:24:41 EDT 1999
  
  SK, Chandrodayam sounds like Behaag or Hamir Kalyani to me.
  Geetha , thanks for the info.
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Wed Jul 21 21:55:30 EDT 1999
  
  There is a good saranga by IR in 'Paarvathi ennai paaradi' - kaathalil maattaamal (MV - title song)
  
  SK: 'chandrodhayam' doesn't sound like saranga to me too.
  
  
• From: bb (@ inehou-pxy05.compaq.com) on: Thu Jul 22 13:49:13 EDT 1999
  
  geetha, chandrodhayam oru pennaanadhO is from the film chandrodhayam:-)
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ 158.austin-06-07rs.tx.dial-access.att.net) on: Fri Jul 23 09:32:42 EDT 1999
  
  hi,
  i tried playing 'en iniya pon nilavae'. looks like kiravani. i think N3 comes in traces, but not sure. it starts as sgrsrgrs (en iniya...), pppp pppp dpmpmg (ninaivile...) etc. really pleasing. can anyone confirm?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Fri Jul 23 13:14:53 EDT 1999
  
  Vasu, it is not pure kiravani. It has N1 and D2 creeping into it.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Wed Jul 28 07:50:37 EDT 1999
  
  Guys: In the song Oranjaaram from Kakai Chiraginile, there is a dialogue, where the guy asks SPB 'why have you changed the Raga to Desh now'. Did I understand this right? It's just that the whole song is in Desh, so why the question?
  
  
• From: Swami (@ wp1.ericy.com) on: Wed Jul 28 10:36:25 EDT 1999
  
  Clarify from IR Geetha :)
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Wed Jul 28 11:43:12 EDT 1999
  
  Swami: I have lost you! Are you tring to say that IR is clarifying that it is Desh or that because it's in the missle of the song, that the Raga changes to Desh? Please help!
  
  
• From: SK (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Jul 28 18:49:06 EDT 1999
  
  Geetha:
  
  chandrOdhayam oru peNNaanadhO is available
  here:
  
  http://members.xoom.com/tamilmelody/chandro.ram
  
  Listen to it and determine the raaga.
  
  
• From: bb (@ dialup-209.245.202.77.houston1.level3.net) on: Thu Jul 29 22:36:30 EDT 1999
  
  geetha, interesting observation! i guess swami is trying to say that u should get it clarified from IR:-)
  
  

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