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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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• From: Naveen (@ 204.255.14.188) on: Mon Mar 19 13:10:52 EST 2001
  
  IR,
  Actually Ga3 and Ni3 was confusing me.
  Thanks for the map.
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Tue Mar 20 02:51:30 EST 2001
  
  IR,
  The popular Madurai Mani Iyer 'Notes' are set to 'Kadana Kutoohalam' and not 'ShankarAbharaNam'.
  
  It is of course a 'Janya Ragam' of the 29th Melakarta, ShankaraabharaNam.
  
  ArOhaNam : S R2 M1 D2 N3 G3 P S
  AvarOhaNam: S N3 D2 P M1 G3 R2 S
  
  'Raghu Vamsa Sudha' is a famous song in this raga usually played by Instrumentalists in concerts.
  
  The song in question, 'Ulavum Thendral KAtrinilE' is perhaps closest to Kadana Kutoohalam.
  If I remember correctly, the soundtrack of movie 'Thillana MOhanAmbAL' also has a 'note' piece in Nadaswaram similar to (or the same notes as) Madurai MaNi Iyer's.
  
  ARR's 'Kandu Kondain' title song has a good amount of Kadana Kutoohalam in it. Listen to its fast paced violin interlude, before it drifts to another raga.
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Tue Mar 20 06:16:06 EST 2001
  
  Another query:
  Does anyone know the raga of the following 2 songs? They seem to be of the same raga:
  
  (looks like an interesting mix of combination of 'bhoopaLam' and 'latAngi'?)
  
  1. 'VeRu idam ThEdip pOvALO' (VANi Jayaram, Movie: 'Manitharil Ithanai NiRangaLa', MD: MSV) and
  2. 'SugamAna Sinthanayil IdamAna uRavOdu' (SPB, Janaki; Movie: Taxi Driver, MD: MSV)
  Thanks
  
  
• From: IR (@ 4.3.190.18) on: Tue Mar 20 07:51:46 EST 2001
  
  Neels - I am pretty sure that the English notes by MMI is in Shankarabaranam. More so because, I had been to a concert of TV Shankaranarayanan (Nephew of MMI) and he sang this note and someone from the audience asked him the raga - He said that it is set in Shankarabharanam with plenty of "anya" swaras! This is originally a composition by Muthaiah Bhagavathar.
  
  You may want to check this too: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/8424/carnatic/c1340.html
  
  I also have a recording by thiruvizha jaishankar and the label says that this is in Shankarabharanam...
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Wed Mar 21 02:39:10 EST 2001
  
  IR,
  Thanks for the info.
  
  Any idea on my previous query (BhoopaLam & LatAngi combo)? Thanks.
  
  
• From: IR (@ ) on: Wed Mar 21 09:58:20 EST 2001
  
  Neels - please post song links for the above - if you have - Dhool.com search is not working for some reason :)
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Thu Mar 22 05:29:58 EST 2001
  
  IR:
  1. 'VeRu idam ThEdip pOvALO' is available in
  Dhool.com, under "Vani Jayaram Sings for MSV" section. The site's server seems to be down now.
  
  2. 'Sugamana Sindhanayil' is a classic from MSV. I am not sure if the female lead is Vani or Janaki. The movie was 'Taxi Driver (1978)' starring Sridevi and Jai Shankar. I am unable to locate the number on the Net.
  
  The song goes like this:
  
  SugamAna sindhanaiyil idhamAna uRavOdu sorgangaL varuginrana;
  Manampoala mAngalyam ini veRu edhu vENdum mAlaigaL maNakkindrana
  maNa mAlaigaL maNakkindrana...
  
  The composition has a lot of IR flavor in it and for sometime I thought it was IR who composed it.
  Another song that I wasn't sure about the MD was:
  
  "Engum niRaindha iyaRkayil Enna SugamO
  pOngi varum Chinnan chiRu uLLangaLil enna kanavO
  eNNangaLil enna suvayO?"
  
  a duet by Yesudas and JAnaki.
  
  
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Fri Mar 23 02:34:10 EST 2001
  
  Engum niRaindha is from idhu yeppidi irukku starred by Jaishankar and Sridevi, the MD is indeed IR.
  
  Sources for suttification of this information:
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  http://forumhub.com/tfilms/6534.02.37.28.html
  and
  http://www.angelfire.com/sc/csuji/suji7.html
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Fri Mar 23 02:39:00 EST 2001
  
  can any one tell me based on which raaga the song vasantha kaala kolangaL vaanil niraindha koodugaL is tuned?
  
  
• From: Baju (@ 203.116.61.132) on: Fri Mar 23 03:49:54 EST 2001
  
  THERE IS A BIT OF KADHANA KUDHUGALAM in
  ARR's Kandu konden but the actual ragam of the song is Nalina Kanthi
  
  
• From: baju (@ 203.116.61.132) on: Fri Mar 23 03:52:45 EST 2001
  
  Can anyone identify , as to wot is the raagam
  for this song 'iruvadhu vayadhu varai' from
  the movie kannodu kanbadhellam
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 166.90.248.158) on: Fri Mar 23 17:50:15 EST 2001
  
  Kupps,
  Will let you know the raagam of Vasantha Kaala Kolangal soon. (I know someone who is like ASK JEEVES :-)) )
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 166.90.248.158) on: Fri Mar 23 17:51:51 EST 2001
  
  baju,
  "Irupadhu vayadhu varai" - looks like Brindavana Saaranga...Can anyone confirm this please.
  This song is by Deva.
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.139) on: Fri Mar 23 23:07:38 EST 2001
  
  '20 vayathu varai' is based on Hamir Kalyani.
  
  
• From: Vidhya (@ 24.128.190.214) on: Sat Mar 24 01:28:40 EST 2001
  
  kupps: "Vasantha kaala kolangaL" is HindhoLam.
  
  
• From: Baju (@ 203.116.61.132) on: Sun Mar 25 22:49:15 EST 2001
  
  yes, its Hamir kalyani, the same raagam is applicable for 'KAYIL MIDHAKKUM KANAVA NEE'
  from ratchagan
  
  
• From: IR (@ 4.3.189.162) on: Mon Mar 26 09:24:27 EST 2001
  
  Neels - Listened to Veru Idam Thedippovalo - Sounds like a combination of Charukesi and Sarasangi (Sa ri2 ga3 ma1 pa dha1 ni2/Ni3 Sa - are the notes I hear)
  
  Am not able to find the other songs - let me know if you find any links on the net :-)
  
  
• From: kannan (@ 209.185.189.241) on: Mon Mar 26 13:22:37 EST 2001
  
  vasantha kala kolangal seems to be set in Suddha Dhanyasi. Can someone clarify?
  
  
• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.12) on: Mon Mar 26 13:38:37 EST 2001
  
  Can somebody tell me the raga of the song 'mAdathile kanni mAdathilE' from Veera?
  
  
• From: IR (@ 4.3.189.162) on: Mon Mar 26 16:31:04 EST 2001
  
  kannan and vidh - please post song links
  
  
• From: IR (@ 4.3.189.162) on: Mon Mar 26 16:52:06 EST 2001
  
  haris - it would be a janya of 32 ragavardhini or 34 Vaagadeeshwari - guess the scale for this raaga would be something like this Sa Ga3 Ma1 Pa Ni2 Sa - Sa Ni2 pa ma1 ga3 ri3 sa - am not sure if this is a valid scale and if this has a name!! These are the notes I could spot!
  
  
• From: baju (@ 203.116.61.132) on: Mon Mar 26 22:17:31 EST 2001
  
  'mAdathile kanni mAdathilE' from Veera
  is a combination of kalyani & hamsadhwani
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Tue Mar 27 01:00:59 EST 2001
  
  'MAdhathilE' (at least the pallavi, as I forgot how the charaNams go) sounds like 'BrindAvana SAranga'. It probably has some extra notes too.
  
  Compare it with the duet by TMS & P. B. Srinivas: 'Pon onRRu KaNdEn', which is Brindvana SAranga.
  
  'Vasantha kAla KOlangaL' is Shuddha DhanyAsi.
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.139) on: Tue Mar 27 04:30:45 EST 2001
  
  Neels: Maadathile cannot be 'brindavana saranga', you can distinctly hear "M1 G3 R3 S" phrase. Should be some raga close to nattai,jog family.
  
  
• From: IR (@ 4.3.189.162) on: Tue Mar 27 06:35:36 EST 2001
  
  has to be vaagadeeshwari family and not chalanaattai family cause of N2. Nattai fly takes N3.
  
  I do not think it is anywhere near kalyani/hamsadhwani. and not Brindhavana Saaranga either
  
  
• From: baju (@ 203.117.188.5) on: Wed Mar 28 01:02:14 EST 2001
  
  It also resembles 'Gambira Naatai' coz , sounds somewhat same like 'innum ennai enna seiya pogirai' (singaravelan) ,.. any comments
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Wed Mar 28 03:37:55 EST 2001
  
  What are the ragas of the songs:
  1. 'Theertha Karai ThanilE Shenbaga pushpaNgaLe' (Yesudas, MD: IR, Movie: 'Thai Pongal')?
  2. 'Oru VAnavil pOlE En VazhvilE vandhAi' (Jayachandran, Janaki, MD: IR, Movie: KAtrinile varum Geetam?)
  
  
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Wed Mar 28 05:14:50 EST 2001
  
  3. 'Oru Devatai Vandathu ManachiRai koondai thiranthu chendradu' by IR, SPB, Asha Bhosle, film: Naan Sonnathe Sattam.
  Sounds like Hamir KalyaNi. Or is it some other raga?
  
  You can find it in Dhool.com. A very nice piece.
  
  
• From: Vidhya (@ 206.216.1.3) on: Wed Mar 28 16:42:06 EST 2001
  
  neels: oru vaanavil -- is in kalyaNi.
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Thu Mar 29 00:59:46 EST 2001
  
  Vidhya,
  
  Consider the line, 'Kalaimaanin uLLam kalayAmal', the progression is not Kalyani.
  It has some alien swarams. Does that make it a Hindustani raga like Yaman KalyAN?
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.139) on: Thu Mar 29 04:50:06 EST 2001
  
  IR: why not we take it as D3 ?
  
  
• From: IR (@ 4.3.189.162) on: Thu Mar 29 06:50:01 EST 2001
  
  RR - In theory - you could :-) - but when you have notes like these and raga does not have another nishadham, I do not think we could call that note dha3 and not Ni2. I am not sure if there is any raga with Pa Dha3 Sa prayogam - by default they get set to ni2 if dha3 is not followed by Ni3...
  
  Neels - Oru Vaanavil - song part of it seems to be mostly in Kalyani - but you are right - fromt he start of the song - there are tons of foreign notes - not just Yaman notes (Ma1) - think I heard a dha1 too...
  
  Oru Devadhai vandhadhu is a very beautiful song indeed! Thanks for the info.. It does sound like Hameer Kalyani.. Would listen to theertha karai thanile today :-)
  
  
• From: Sharmila Ratnaacharya (@ 62.27.236.42) on: Thu Mar 29 07:43:31 EST 2001
  
  Does anyone know the raaga of "Vaseegara" of Minnalee?
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Thu Mar 29 07:58:16 EST 2001
  
  Sharmila Ratnaacharya:
  
  "Vaseegara" from Minnalee is in NATABAIRAVHI - listen out for similarities with NENJINILE from UYIRE(JIYA JALE from Dil Se).
  
  
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.144) on: Fri Mar 30 03:23:10 EST 2001
  
  hello!
  i've had this major doubt for almost 2 years now...
  there are songs which can have 2 raagas?
  eg.:andhi mazhai pozhugiradhu
  if you take the starting swaram (corr. to the word "andhi")as Ma,then the raagam is vasantha.the 1st line goes like this:
  MaMaMaMa GaMaDaMaGa GaMaDaMaGaGaDaMaMaGaReReSaSa
  but it really didn't strike me that this was vasantha until i saw the list of raaga based film songs.
  to me it sounded like panthuvaraali!(without Re)
  see,if you take the 1st swaram as Sa,
  the swaram for the 1st line would be:
  SaSaSaSa NiSaGaSaNi NiSaGaSaNiNiGaSaSaNiDaDaPaPa..
  so,the same song can have different raagas in diff. pitches(shruthis)?
  another eg.:margazhi poove(may maadam)
  it is hindolam if the 1st swaram is Sa.:
  the 1st line will be:
  SaGaMaDaDa GaMaDaMaGa GaMaDaMa...
  but if the 1st swaram is taken as Pa,the raagam
  will be sudhha dhanyasi!
  1st line:PaNiSaGaGa NiSaGaSaGaSaNi....
  please try playing this on the keyboard -you'll get a better picture of what i'm saying!
  so,experts!what do you say?how do we decide the raagam of a song?
  even kannamoochi-only if you take the 1st swaram as Da,it is naattaikurunji.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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