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IR GETS LATHA MANKESHKAR AWARD !

Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Fri Dec 4 01:26:45 EST 1998.
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hi,
today's dinakaran has this info.
IR gets Lathamankeshkar award given by MP state govt.
http://www.dinakaran.com/daily/12041998/cinema/award.html
Any idea about this award & other persons who got this award ???
NagasubramaniaN

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• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.215) on: Tue Apr 3 01:19:49 EDT 2001
  
  LV,
  Nice to see your postings including TFM:-)
  
  BTW, `valayOsai kalakalakalavena' is from the movie Sathya (Kamal starrer); the LM song from Anand, I think is ArArO ArAro. There's another LM song too (engirunthO azhaikkum) and I'm not sure about the movie's name...
  
  As a reply to your reference of a friend who walked out on `Ezhu swarangaLukkuL' simply because it was non-IR, it's deplorable and I won't support such attitude. Having listened to music on radio for many years, I have appreciated many other MD's outputs as well, though mostly TFM (I'm an admirer of a no. of songs of MSV & KVM for eg , why I even like a few ARR songs, though I've listened to more than 90% of his TFM output). I must admit that my exposure to HFM is very less -Bobby, YKB, Sholay, QSQT and a dozen more popular albums and may be another 100 all-time-popular songs...my exposure to western music may be much more:-)
  
  But in TFM, to the extent I'm exposed (which is reasonably large) I can very comfortably tell that no one comes even miles closer to IR -simply based on the quantum of output combined with the great variety & max. no. of surprises and innovations...BGM, interludes...
  
  In any case, comparison of composers themselves may not lead us to anywhere on the qualitative aspect (sure one can compare on quantity / market share etc.), there'll be definite bias / subjectivity...but it is ridiculous to compare MD with singer..IMHO...
  
  p.s. Once IR remarked that LM's voice is the sweetest ever but the `vidvath' of SJ is greater...I think in Kumudham...
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 203.197.133.39) on: Tue Apr 3 01:20:11 EDT 2001
  
  LV
  
  No one here has a problem with you holding an own opinion, all of us here have our own biases and to strike the middle ground ignoring such leanings has been an art confined to a very few forum'ers.. ..
  
  But the trouble, my friend, is that when someone like you claims to be an impassionate observer and obstinately sticks to statements that IR is "as good" as "many MDs from North and South". That makes us doubt your understanding or even exposure to film music south of bollywood.
  
  For you, it's adequate proof of LM's greatness if "maestro after maestro whether from North or South says so". But when it comes to IR, no, you'll apply the biased yardstick of your own exalted judgement and a few others' whose understanding of TFM is as shallow as yours. To refresh your memory, there have been a long list of veterans, from Semmangudi to Naushad to MSV, who've vouched for IRs unique position. But then, maybe, they don't qualify as 'maestros' in your lexicon, would they?
  
  Just as you've reason to believe LM is the pinnacle of singing, you've got to allow others also to hold their opinion on IR. Not many of even HCIRFs here will take affront if you'd claimed that there are few others in Indian FM as versatile and talented as him. But it's your insistence in bracketing him with "many", god knows if you'd include the likes of Anu M and BappiL, that gets under the skin.
  
  If you go past in the TFM archives, you'll find that often IRs ardent fans have been his harshest critics, and it might even surprise you to know that there are many here who have as much (if not more) exposure to HFM as you have to TFM.
  
  So let's pls. drop such pithy one-liners such as "
  ONE SHOULDNT LET IR-FANATICISM..." You hold on to LM, we'll stick with IR, and let be...
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.215) on: Tue Apr 3 01:29:36 EDT 2001
  
  kiru:-)
  I'm 100% with your thambi...
  
  Trend:
  The beats used in both the songs were almost similar esp. the starting beats. can you please elaborate what you mean by `beats'...if that's thALam / percussion, I don't think you can have 1000's of them, like melodies / notes :-)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue Apr 3 02:37:37 EDT 2001
  
  LV.. do praise LM..but choose your words properly :-)
  
  But I feel LM's qualities are unique to her - mainly her ephemeral sweetness besides many others
  
  My puny knowledge says ephemeral is evanescent or "short lived" :-) NOM.
  
  
• From: hari (@ 129.116.226.162) on: Tue Apr 3 03:53:19 EDT 2001
  
  He probably meant ethereal...
  
  Yeah, when the adrenaline begins to flow on newtfmpage, words and language come flowing!! This is fun! Frankly, its amazing that these kind of debates never abate in newtfmpage. Keep the fun going fellas :-)
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Tue Apr 3 04:59:45 EDT 2001
  
  I have been learning Carnatic and Hindustani music for over 14 years. Being based in the North, I have been brought up on a staple diet of Hindi film songs and thanks to my Aunt, I was initiated to Tamil film music. And I can't thank her enough. I truly marvel at the genius of G. Ramanathan, K. V. Mahadevan, MSV and Ilayaraja and appreciate the innovative efforts of ARR. I regard Lata as an excellent singer. She has infused life to many many songs in Hindi films. IMO, she has given her best to Madan Mohan and S. D. Burman.
  
  However, I also endorse the view that no singer is above the composer, it is he/she who owns the creation and comes up with the complexites of a song.
  
  And my personal experience with the Hindi speaking public is that they are almost cruel in branding anything refreshing from a composer south of the vindhyas as 'southie' and unacceptable. No complex number these days gains popularity. It's these simple, nursery-rhyme kind of compositions that appeal to the audience and it fades away from memory soon enough.
  
  Unfortunately for great composers such as Ilayaraja, there haven't been a solid platform to showcase their talent in HFM and small budget films with almost no publicity couldn't create any ripples in the HFM circuit. Sadma, a remake of MoondrAm PiRai had some excellent songs and of course a great background score, but was greatly ignored. As some one mentarlier, Background music is anyway a bad word out there and no one appreciates it. Leave alone the masses, even the so-called movie critics out there doesn't bother to appreciate it!
  
  Fans of TFM like me were appalled at the way the Anand-Milinds and (even KaLyanji-Anandji) were ripping off songs note-by-note from ILayaraja and making a life in HFM, and to top it all, even fetching awards out there. And I should point out here that not a single word was said about the 'Southie' ness of these songs!!! If this is not hypocrisy, what is?
  
  Give me the name of at least 3 eminent HIndi music critics who have listened to Ilayaraja's classics or is aware of MSV's path-breaking numbers?
  
  We keep hearing that Lata and Asha have great regards for IR and that they consider Sivaji Ganesan as their 'ANNA'! I haven't come across a single article or even a mention about this in any of their interviews in the North. I really doubt if they have even listened to his classics!
  
  I can only say that this act of the sisters is similar to the Jyotikas and Simrans swearing by 'OUR BELOVED' Tamil Nadu in the Tamil press and making fun of the 'ugly, dark, pot-bellied old heroes' in their interviews to the Hindi press or TV channels.
  
  IR and Co deserve much more!
  
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.90) on: Tue Apr 3 12:43:05 EDT 2001
  
  Dear MS:
  Thanx for the correction- I myself dont know why I used that word. Should we say long-lasting sweetness??
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.40) on: Tue Apr 3 13:15:27 EDT 2001
  
  Dear Peter pan ( I AM SURE THATS NOT YOUR NAME),
  
  
  Lata gave her best to EVERY md who used her voice.
  Of course I dont mean the recent ones coz her
  voice is not so good anymore
  
  >>>>We keep hearing that Lata and Asha have great regards for IR and that they consider Sivaji Ganesan as their 'ANNA'! I can only say that this act of the sisters is similar .... in their interviews to the Hindi press or TV channels.
  ANS:
  1)Lata has openly praised PS and MS. Her autobio-
  graphy has a whole chapter devoted to MS. Now I have been living in Maharashtra for a long time, and I decided to pick up Marathi. I read her aut. which is in Marathi. I even read an interview of PS in which she has said that she is like the '5TH' Mangeshkar sister. (Lata,Asha,Usha and Meena and the brother is Hridaynath, a brilliant MD).
  2)Please go the very first page of this thread
  in which someone has posted a message saying how Lata has praised SG whole-heartedly. She has been an ardent admirer of Ghantashala and has said so in her autobiography.
  3)Lata and Asha both call their work with IR/ARR an experience, and vice versa.
  
  >>>>And my personal experience with the Hindi speaking public is that they are almost cruel in branding anything refreshing from a composer south of the vindhyas as 'southie' and unacceptable.
  ANS:
  1) Well I've lived in Mah. for almost 12 years now. I find the culture of Mah.,the customs/traditions of the people more similar to the south than to the north.
  2) Dont you think ARR,MS Subbalaxmi,Mandolin Shrinivas have been accepted in North India as great artists.
  
  THIS IS ALSO FOR SURESH.
  >>>>> I am myself an IR/MSV fan. If you read all my postings (and please do so), you'll see how I said that ARR's/IR's numbers are being surreptitiously copied. But that's true today, not in the 40s to early 80's when HFM was in a glorious state.
  But I honestly feel that Sali Chaudhary is as good. He has experimented adequately with all the 3 styles of classical (Hindustani,Carnatic and Western.) He had a deep research in Bengal's and Gujarat's folk music. He was I think the first Indian to attempt fusion of any kind. Moreover he is one of the persons who has given Lata lots of 'POP' songs. My earlier posts have given the list. The list is much longer, but its too much to write.
  Moreover, I feel that even RDB,RDB,Chitragupt,Shankar Jaikishan have experimented as much as IR, and are definitely as good. Madan Mohan and Roshan did not use much western, but their use of Indian stuff was tremendously great. At several local orchestras and progs. like Saregama, their songs are sung/played with encores, though they were composed/recorded decades ago.
  Please note that these people lived in an era where advanced recording techniques were absent. Yet they infused so much melody, and so much ingenious innovations in their songs, even sometimes with less orchestration. Moreover is USE OF WESTERN MUSIC a yardstick to being a good MD.
  
  IR is a legend,guys, I will never compare him to Annu Mallick,Anand Milind or Rajesh Roshan, GOD FORBID IT!!! But the others that I mentioned are definitely as good as IR, and thats my firm opinion.
  
  Again Suresh,as per LM, Salil is the greatest MD on earth. For Asha its RDB. The debate as to who is the greatest MD is very subjective. I can state a list of maestros saying that someone else other than IR was the greatest.
  Again, you might've heard these MD's as you claim here. You still may like IR the most -fine-thats again a personal choice.
  My liking LM is also a personal choice, but my opinion matches with millions of other laymen and also of music-wizards.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.40) on: Tue Apr 3 13:21:48 EDT 2001
  
  Dear eden,
  
  I hope we'll have a lesser tussle of words between us now. But what I meant by HFM was the songs from late 40s to early 80s, mostly sung by Lata,Talat,Asha,Rafi and Manna Dey,and only a few by Mukesh. I wont include Kishore here at all, I dont like his voice after the 50s at all.
  The music of films like Sholay,Mukkadar ka Sikkandar, and all the present crap is just
  too repulsive. I'm glad TFM has not degraded to such an extent, though I prefer the 50's to 70's PS songs to the present TFM.
  
  

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