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IR'S experiments ..

Topic started by gundu (@ dot.icn.state.ia.us) on Tue Jun 27 21:56:32 EDT 2000.
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ob'ly ... not his expmnts. with ragas which must be in hundreds ... I am talking about more general and innovative experiments ...let me start in the thread ...

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• From: sabesan (@ 64.163.214.141) on: Sat Aug 25 01:36:05 EDT 2001
  
  one more - Oru Kunguma Changamalaaam from Aradhanaii - wow, what a great flute and violin.... hmm.... listen to the one before the 1st para..... appadieeeaaa flow agudhu..... oh man.... will we hear a song like this from IR in the future ?
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.163.214.141) on: Sat Aug 25 02:18:34 EDT 2001
  
  iam listening to the song "Nallaam Paduvaeeen Nee vazhathaaan" from "Kanmaniye Pesu" by SJ..... SJ has sung both the stanza's without "muchu vittufying"...... iam sure this movie should have come loooooong before "Kaeladi Kanmaaani"..... but no one advertised that the song has been sung without "muchu vittufying", so none of us knew about this......
  
  
• From: KS (@ 166.44.247.177) on: Sat Aug 25 11:55:59 EDT 2001
  
  sabesan,
  one of those left unsaid...silent deaths!!!:-((
  
  
• From: KS (@ 166.44.247.177) on: Sat Aug 25 12:52:16 EDT 2001
  
  In Kaadhal mayakkam from Pudhumai Penn he seems to have done quiet a few things like using the echo-effect, stopping the percussion in-between the stanzas, etc.
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.5.107) on: Sun Aug 26 01:14:13 EDT 2001
  
  Vijay,
  
  Manjal nilavukku 2nd int. flute piece is inspired from Orchestral Suite # 2 (Badineree) of JS Bach.
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.5.107) on: Sun Aug 26 01:23:10 EDT 2001
  
  Sabesan,
  
  1) Ilancholai poothadha is from Unakkagave vazhgiren.
  
  2) Nalam paaduven is not by IR, by Raveendran (Mal. MD)
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Sun Aug 26 02:10:13 EDT 2001
  
  rf
  
  i have also noticed this. imo, arr spends more time on instruments too.
  
  i am eager to hear experts' opinion about this.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.160.55.240) on: Sun Aug 26 12:07:11 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks Venkatesh..... the song is listed under IR's music in DHOOL..... and of course, the song sounded tooo IRish......
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.128.128) on: Mon Aug 27 12:34:05 EDT 2001
  
  Only MD who has many fast songs to his credit like Poo Arumbuthu fron Kutti. He sure likes to play with words!!!
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.128.128) on: Mon Aug 27 12:57:22 EDT 2001
  
  I also feel that IR has used trumpet many a times and to a great effect. Though not really an experiment, thought i'll mention it as i guess it is difficult to compose good notes for a trumpet to sound good.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 63.89.188.200) on: Mon Aug 27 13:14:01 EDT 2001
  
  There's a song from "Rishimoolam" that begins, "mazhai varuvathu mayilukku theriyum" whose pallavi and charanam are all fast throughout. If I remember right, the only place it pauses is when the female singer (SJ?) stops right before resuming the pallavi by humming la la lala lala.
  
  This song is probably his first experiment in pacing. Of course the words aren't all audible which could partly be the singer's fault.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.144) on: Mon Aug 27 16:06:07 EDT 2001
  
  KS,
  That's a very good observation. It is true that IR has truly mastered the trumpet, it has been used for two main aspects in his music,
  1) Elevation of an action scene indicating danger,
  introduction of a protogonist , climactic scenes.
  2) Using it for bits which in which actors are
  melodramatic, triumphant, joyous etc..
  many telugu songs are an example for this
  eg. Kila Kila mani .. in Coolie no.1
  Chemma Chekka ... in Bobbili Raja
  Botany paatmundi .. in Shiva
  CLimax BGM in Thalapathi
  BGM in Indran Chandran, Apoorva Sagothargal..
  and many more
  
  I have seen Pushpak recently and could help noticing that L.Vaidyanathan the MD for the movie, lifted the trumpet pieces from IR's movies. The use of trumpet is certainly a great innovation in Indian movies , since the only use of trumpets used to be the walk of an elephant or a the introduction of a obese person(mostly in hindi movies).
  
  Jag
  
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Mon Aug 27 16:18:21 EDT 2001
  
  I dunno if this is an experiment or a rarity. I was going thro Dr.laxmi narayans comments on IR and he had mentioned that "Thodi" raagam was used very rarely in tfm. He said it was tough to maintain the raagam in its form through out the song as it cud easily slip into sankarabharam.
  
  so "gangai kara mannanadi" from varsham 16 was quoted as that rare song.
  
  any views?
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.128.128) on: Tue Aug 28 12:21:31 EDT 2001
  
  Good use of trumpet in these. For that matter, everything about these songs is good.
  
  http://www.megacinema.com/app/handler?link=1.87928.87947.87948&page=3 --> Maharshi --> Matarani and Saahasam
  
  You'll like the other 2 too if u don't mind Telugu songs.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Wed Aug 29 04:54:58 EDT 2001
  
  Jag,
  nothing original about usage of trumpet for obese person...Most of the guys use the "baby elephant walk" from Hatari by Henry mancini.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.233) on: Wed Aug 29 08:47:33 EDT 2001
  
  Happened to see the `sapthaswarangaL' program (AV Ramanan) this Saturday where the judge was Mr Jeevan (who is the no.1 trumpet player for movie music now, much like his father in `those days'). He played live the starting piece of `rumbumbum' as well as the prelude of `oruvan oruvan muthalALi' (excellent, mesmerising). Thinking about that throws some light on IR's usage of trumpet, which I feel is quite different from others.
  
  Typically, this instrument is used in bands, for `ezhuchi' type songs, march past etc. (e.g.oruvan oruvan). IR too had this functional use, both in songs & BGM. The experimental part is using this vAdhyam for soft, love duets! Check the prelude of `sAlariyOram sOlai ondRu Adum, sangeetham pAdum'...
  
  
• From: sats (@ 139.177.224.100) on: Wed Aug 29 10:08:51 EDT 2001
  
  use of trumpets
  check the song "unnai nenachen pattu padichen " the trumpet piece in this song is so great and soothing
  
  
• From: KavipPiriyan (@ 192.128.166.68) on: Wed Aug 29 10:52:05 EDT 2001
  
  IR has experimented with a variety of talents in SPB and SJ. The awesome opening counterpoint in the super melody 'rAdha rAdha nee yenge' is a good example where the two melodies start/stop half way with the other instead of exactly superimposing. SJ starts and SPB ends.
  
  In the song kIravAni (pAdum paRavaigaL) he arranges solfage and alaps together and gives an excellent start.
  
  Balu got to a habit of subtle eloquency in skipping beat in some songs after experimenting with "rOja ondru muththam kaetkum...(skip) naeram.."
  
  It is a beauty as Balu yodels , hums with BGM and lands smooth into 2nd charaNam in one breadth in the song "vA vA pakkam vA.." (thanga magan)
  
  Sad... gone are those days now.
  
  
• From: KavipPiriyan (@ 192.128.166.68) on: Wed Aug 29 10:55:33 EDT 2001
  
  IR has experimented with a variety of talents in SPB and SJ. The awesome opening counterpoint in the super melody 'rAdha rAdha nee yenge' is a good example where the two melodies start/stop half way with the other instead of exactly superimposing. SJ starts and SPB ends.
  
  In the song kIravAni (pAdum paRavaigaL) he arranges solfage and alaps together and gives an excellent start.
  
  Balu got to a habit of subtle eloquency in skipping beat in some songs after experimenting with "rOja ondru muththam kaetkum...(skip) naeram.."
  
  It is a beauty as Balu yodels , hums with BGM and lands smooth into 2nd charaNam in one breadth in the song "vA vA pakkam vA.." (thanga magan)
  
  Sad... gone are those days now.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.144) on: Wed Aug 29 12:57:41 EDT 2001
  
  Shankar,
  that's what I meant too!. I knew that it was from music from hatari.
  
  Check out songs from
  Konaloo sannajaaji...from Maharshi,Keeravaani...from Anveshana in telugu
  
  which are experimental. Also I believe that IR is the first person in Indian FM to have used Drums as the mainstream instrument for a song.
  eg. Raaja Raajadhi raaja....
  Rojaalo..
  Ninu Kori... from Agni Natchitaram
  Mandram vantha... from Mouna Raagam
  Jagada Jagada
  Jallantaa... from Idayathai thirudathae
  Yenniyallo... from Shiva (telugu, Udayam in Tamil)
  
  Some songs in Indran Chandran
  
  Attention everybody ...from Coolie No.1(telugu)
  
  Valavekkum kaadalikkum ... from Apoorva Sagothargal(correct me here if I am wrong in spelling) , I think is his best in this department.
  
  
  Other MD 's use of drums used to be mostly for introductory pieces. For example many of Bappi Lahiri, RD Burman's songs come to mind.
  
  I think this list is far from complete, others can give examples for more imaginative use of drums by IR.
  
  
  Jag
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.128.128) on: Wed Aug 29 15:52:58 EDT 2001
  
  http://www.megacinema.com/app/handler?link=1.10.111 --> Abhilasha --> Banthi & Eureka
  
  In Eureka, IR uses SJ only to laugh. And the way SJ laughs thru the song so naturally is simply amazing!!! In fact, u wonder how SPB and SJ can express so well without ever acting. They simply live the song.
  
  In Banthi, watch out for the interludes. What is this instrument that IR has used to give us an unusual sound!?
  
  
• From: KS (@ ) on: Thu Sep 6 17:35:16 EDT 2001
  
  http://www.megacinema.com/app/handler?link=1.10.111 --> Anveshana --> Ilalo kalise
  
  Watch for the interludes. IR has used SJ’s shrieks, SPB for rendering only swaras, and chorus very effectively. Especially, in the second interlude, to start with, the female chorus evokes a sense of pity in the foreground supported by male chorus and drums in the background that express a sense of danger. And then, the alternating voice of female chorus and, male chorus with drums, create a haunting effect, which is again followed by SPB’s swaras and SJ’s shrieks.
  
  I think this was a very novel attempt and it suited the situation to the tee.
  
  
• From: sureshkumar (@ 24.20.60.21) on: Thu Sep 6 18:41:30 EDT 2001
  
  singing as one holds the breath - listen to 'thum than thum thana thalam varum' in 'puthiya vaarpugal' - this is I believe IRs one of his first experiments in such songs...
  
  
• From: sureshkumar (@ 24.20.60.21) on: Thu Sep 6 18:41:35 EDT 2001
  
  singing as one holds the breath - listen to 'thum than thum thana thalam varum' in 'puthiya vaarpugal' - this is I believe IRs one of his first experiments in such songs...
  
  

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