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IR'S experiments ..

Topic started by gundu (@ dot.icn.state.ia.us) on Tue Jun 27 21:56:32 EDT 2000.
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ob'ly ... not his expmnts. with ragas which must be in hundreds ... I am talking about more general and innovative experiments ...let me start in the thread ...

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• From: Udhaya (@ 63.89.188.200) on: Fri Aug 24 15:54:36 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  The movies for the songs listed above:
  -oru vaanavil poalae(Katrinilae Varum Geetham)
  -thaalaattu piLLai undu (Achchaani)
  -thirutheril varum silayoa (Naan Vaazhavaippaen)
  -angel (Kavarimaan)
  -kanavoadu aengum (Anbae Oadivaa)
  I'm trying to get these songs up on dhool. Some of these might already be up there.
  
  About George Michael, I think he's an average crooner and a very lame musician. Faith involves just a robotic strumming of the guitar. Both are guitar-centric songs and were easy to compare. I know this is TFM and such comparisons may not be warranted, but I felt like mentioning it and did. If you don't like the comparison, I can certainly live with our differences.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 63.89.188.200) on:
  
  Bharath,
  Your query makes me wonder how many other DFers have made up their minds about IR without knowledge of his first ten years. If you guys knew more about his early era, you will be able to better gauge the difference between IR then and now and your understanding of his career will be more complete.
  
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Fri Aug 24 16:16:12 EDT 2001
  
  good question U,
  I also use to wonder the same.
  1/2 learning is dangerous.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on:
  
  U r right! My knowledge of IR is limited to post "nizhalgal" times although I can say I heard all his albums from 1987 onwards only! b4 that I have heard alot but mostly hits from oliyum olyum and other peoples collections which I recorded (ofcouse AIR helped a lot). offlate I burned 70-80 CD's of IR hits and so am listening to some very new (old) songs of IR.
  
  trivia/fyi,
  
  I have a bose system and did u know "thendral vanthu theendum pozhuthu"... the drums progression in the BG starts from the rear surround speakers and then to the front side speaksr and then to the central speakers every time! wonderful isnt it!
  
  abt GM,
  
  I know its tfm. But I wonder why u dont like him! //"average crooner and a very lame musician"// is very surprising. now! i dont for a moment say "oh! my god! man! how can u be so ridiculous in ur taste" . I am just curious as to how musical taste differs.
  
  GM does music that is close to traditional pop that I like. He is not "cheri" . his lyrics are wonderfully written and tunes reflect a variety of moods and emotions.
  
  IMO he is one of the rare people who do music slowly carefully and give good Quality.
  
  ELton John described him as the "man with the golden lungs" after listening to "jesus to a child" & "you have been loved" I agree with it.
  
  how cud you not like "one more try", "kissing a fool", careless whispers, monkey, hand to mouth, different corner.
  
  these r good compositions dude!
  
  If there is actually a technical aspect (which I again accept candidly I am not qualified to analyze) where he fails to meet ur expectations. i wud like to know about it!
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Aug 24 16:42:12 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath, what do you mean by cheri ?
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Aug 24 16:46:02 EDT 2001
  
  //"Your query makes me wonder how many other DFers have made up their minds about IR without knowledge "//
  
  quite similar to the way I am assumed to be an IR maligner! just because i speak a lot for ARR.
  
  made-up minds is something i guess "all" can relate to and empathise.
  
  my question is if its so obvious that discrediting IR's compositional skills is such a foolish act, that you would not do that, why do you assume the other person lacks such a basic intellect to do such a thing?
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Aug 24 16:47:36 EDT 2001
  
  //"Bharath, what do you mean by cheri ?"//
  
  anything and everything from
  britney spears, christina bla bla, nsync, puff daddy, dr.dre, david bowie, kiss
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Aug 24 16:55:14 EDT 2001
  
  Well..if by cheri you are referring to chEri - a slum/area reserved/restricted to the hapless lot..you are being totally insensitive. This is the second time you are making such a reference. Earlier you referred to 'koovum' or something. I find this kind of attitude/references disgusting or atleast irksome to the least. Please refrain from making such comparisons in future. (For all you know, I might be from a kuppam or whatever you think is abominable :( )
  
  
• From: AyothiKuppam Veeramani (@ 207.188.29.248) on: Fri Aug 24 17:35:25 EDT 2001
  
  Bharathu Thambi...
  
  nallA irukiyA ?
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 63.89.188.200) on: Fri Aug 24 17:58:35 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  I understand you're battle-weary from constant arguments. But realize this: I never indicated anything about you being in any MD's camp or maligning anybody. When you talk about IR you obviously have opinions about him right? And these opinions didn't benefit from knowledge about key pieces from his early years, right? The same goes for those who rally for IR without having heard his early stuff (and this is even more baffling).
  
  I believe that to like/dislike IR one should have heard most of his landmark songs spanning all his years. That's all. If you disagree, I'll leave it at that. Selling my ideas is not what I'm about. Stating them for the record is enough for me.
  
  I have always detested the "either IR or ARR" alignment among DFers and have given up contributing on most of these threads. I just saw
  a place to write about IR and his guitar usage and figured it would be worth mentioning in a thread titled "IR's experiments", where precious little has been written thus far in proof of or in denial of his experimentation.
  
  Regarding George Michael, well he's very limited but was at least putting out fun confection during his Wham days. And now he's supposed to be a mature artist with his pining drivel for lyrics? Not my bag, dude. But if you like him, I'm happy for you. Try Peter Gabriel. Well, I'll stop here before I violate the digression rule any further.
  
  
• From: polappu (@ 216.253.102.3) on: Fri Aug 24 18:14:15 EDT 2001
  
  bharath,
  i am surprised to see KISS in that list, i don't think they belong there...
  
  AyothiKuppam Veeramani,
  Unga pirenchu dhadi, thanga cheyinu sooparu...
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Aug 24 18:19:59 EDT 2001
  
  kiru,
  
  honestly speaking I guess u have mis understood not me but what cheri implies. You may have a friend living near koovum banks but u cannot call him "cheri". I guess "cheri" by dictionary meaning itself is a derogative term. It has been used by cinema and politicians to refer to the poor people .
  
  well! atleast thats what I think of the word. something like any other abusive word. It is bad if its directed against a person! but allright to refer to concepts!
  
  I would obviously not be insensitive enough to brand a particular kind of people and use that brand as a bad word.
  
  in any case I apologize if I was wrong kiru! it was not intended!
  
  
• From: rf (@ 152.163.204.63) on: Fri Aug 24 22:28:23 EDT 2001
  
  Friends, do you think that IR has not come up with a really interesting charanam as in the song 'azhagana ratchasiya' in Mudhalvan. What is very pleasing about this ARR songs and many of his other songs is that he simply knows to stretch a pallavi, whereas IR likes to end a pallavi as quickly as possible. Also, IR has a different take on the charanam unlike ARR whose sound more interesting than IR's though less enduring.... I am thinking of the song " thalayay kuniyum thaamaraye' because azhagan ratchasiya' pallavi begins so alike but streches out really intelligently. Do you have any comments on IR's lack of experimentation in the stretching pallavi area and also going with a different charanam....
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.96) on: Sat Aug 25 01:06:22 EDT 2001
  
  After quite some time getting in the mood to post something..Taking on from Udhaya, I would list a few songs where I thought the flute usage was phenomenal and added a lot of flavour to the songs:
  
  Manjal nilavukku - oru mudhal iravu - the fast flute piece that comes in the second interlude(inspired from Dvorak(?))is terrific..this whole song you the feel of travelling in a train on a moonlit night...
  
  Iru paravaigal - niram maaratha pookkal - flute is used in both the interludes..but the usage in the first interlude is absolutely brilliant nd remains one of my favourite pieces..it catches you by surprise..with a constant strumming of the guitar in the background, the flute plays the notes on the ascent and descent and moves like a roller coaster..the whole interlude is marvellous..
  
  thalaattum poongaatru - Gopura vaasalile - when SJ starts the charanam "nalliravil naan..." notice the flute playing the ascent and descent alternatively in the BG..adds real flavour to the song..
  
  Oho kaalai kuyil - Unnai vaazhthi paadugiren-this song probably takes the cake in the later years for pheneomnal flute usage..once again a group song set to standard beat and the first interlude as usual just flows along with the song offering little surprises..but as always, IR catches you off-guards in the second interlude..notice the flute taking over from violin in the second interlude..its as if the flute says to the violin"bye bye your time is up, now I am taking over" :-)just the flute and the drum for a few seconds and thats enough to take this song to a higher level..the percussion in the BG reminds of you the prelude of "malaikoyil vaasalil" albeit played a little faster..
  
  Other honorable mentions:
  
  prelude of subhalekha(dubbed in tamil as subhavelai..the flute picks up speed slowly and is joined by the "horse-ride" beat of the song, a great prelude)
  
  ilaya nila pozhigirathu - first interlude-this whole song is a lesson in guitar usage..
  
  oranjaaram ushaaru- in recent times, where in a good number from IR has been quite a raity, this song came as a surpise..though riddled with inane lyrics, SPBs rendition of the pleasnt tune saves this song IMO...the prelude in flute is definitely notable..
  
  just wrote a few that came to mind..would be nice to know others choices w.r.t to flute and guitar usage
  
  
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.163.214.141) on: Sat Aug 25 01:33:27 EDT 2001
  
  vijay - some more
  
  1. Kuzhaludhum Kannanuku from Mela Thirandhadhu kadhavu
  2. Paadava Un Padaaalaai from Naan Paddum Paadal - there will be a small piece before 2nd para (is it flute, not sure though, but a good one)
  3. Theene thenpandi Meene from Udhaya Geetham - the one by SPB - has a good flute piece before the 1st para
  4. Ilanchooolaaai Poothatha sung by SPB, not sure what movie it is - has a very good flute at the start...... (iam listening to it in dhool.com now)
  
  well, iam sure there will be 1000's for sure in flute.....
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.163.214.141) on: Sat Aug 25 01:34:10 EDT 2001
  
  though, iam not sure if there were any *experiments* as such done in the above songs :-)
  
  

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