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SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced

Topic started by greatest_spb_fan (@ 212.2.14.241) on Thu Aug 2 04:57:19 EDT 2001.
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why don't anybody start a thread like 'SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced', pls

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• From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.144) on: Fri Oct 5 09:26:28 EDT 2001
  
  I am expert only in muthalan kattai and ettan kattai.
  
  
• From: .. (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Oct 5 09:46:42 EDT 2001
  
  so Raguvaran you cannot identify if a singer sings "in" (not on ) Sandana kattai..experts like
  I wish you all the best to get educated in "Wood Technology" and expalin the world about
  "Teak katai", "Sandana kattai" and all others katties of the world.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Fri Oct 5 10:21:19 EDT 2001
  
  But srikanth
  
  definitely SPB has reached "santhaana kattai" meaning achieving children. Since spb could go one step(neetal) ahead of santhana kattai(i.e one a addition to santhana) definitely he could easily sing in (or if you want, even sink-in) sandhana kattai also) :-)
  
  
• From: Isaipriyan (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Fri Oct 5 11:09:34 EDT 2001
  
  All kattai mannargal in this forum.RajaG please help.
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Fri Oct 5 11:46:47 EDT 2001
  
  (@ 64.124.150.140) ;
  Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) ;
  : .. (@ 12.5.10.153) ;
  
  Guys enough is enough, I am Srilankan Tamil, I have learnt Carnatic Music in jaffna, we use the term kattai's in the school, if this not known by the indian tamils, then do not take the mick, Like I said I do not know what the indian tamils call kattais as, you guys are pathetic, every Arab Muslims stick for them selfs, all round world muslims fight togethher, but it is rather sad to see one tamilians (Like the you guys) take the p*ss out the other tamilians like me, srilankan tamil, which is rather sad, I wish I was a muslim, at least they do not take the p*ss out of their brothers!!!
  
  I am not going to take part in this forum again (unless you guys change), all of you guys are intimidating & insulting SPB, there are some decent guys who post here, pls do not degrade them as well.
  
  
• From: Yakkov (@ 24.218.135.41) on: Fri Oct 5 12:10:47 EDT 2001
  
  Raghuvaran (@212...),
  
  It is one thing for schools to teach "kattais" and another for you to misunderstand and misquote it here so widely in this forum. And FYI, Tamils we may all be but not necessarily brain-dead to support meaningless pronounciations by other Tamils. Truth is more important (and I speak for myself here). Half knowledge is truly dangerous, I guess.
  
  
• From: .. (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Oct 5 12:15:08 EDT 2001
  
  Oh tamils..issues Va...
  
  Truth and fact is more important, people did try to correct you, but you did not want to learn.. Half knowledge is dangerous,
  
  Tamils are not necessarily brain-dead to support meaningless pronounciations by other Tamils.
  That is our speciality ...:)
  
  
  
• From: sats (@ 139.177.224.100) on: Fri Oct 5 12:53:53 EDT 2001
  
  I am not going to take part in this forum again
  
  Raghuvaran ! rombo thanks pa
  
  
• From: edakkan (@ 63.253.226.59) on: Fri Oct 5 13:50:32 EDT 2001
  
  Henceforth SPB shall be called 'katta'bomman, 'mudal'van or 'eight'appan.
  
  
• From: sats (@ 139.177.224.100) on: Fri Oct 5 14:04:46 EDT 2001
  
  Edakkan
  
  Dont make fun of SPB becos of this raghuvaran, most of the people in this thread still admire him , when raghuvaran post the samething again and again explaining the kattai ,bass and degrading other singers , bayangara erichala irukku
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Oct 5 14:26:01 EDT 2001
  
  //"you guys are pathetic, every Arab Muslims stick for them selfs, all round world muslims fight togethher,"//
  
  my questions
  
  1) are there any non tamilians(non-tfm people) around..in front of whom we allegedly let u down?
  
  2) is this a tfm Vs non-tfm war?
  
  3)if 1 arab kills innocent people and other of his brethern support him because of the ONLY reason that he is arab. do u think it is correct? would you expect the same from tamilians....
  
  4) why do u assume just because we all speak our cause and motive in life is the same?
  
  5)you are a srilankan national. your loyalties and taxes go to the SL govt.? why do u put tamilians who are Indian nationals in the same bucket? British, newzelanders, canadians, australians and americans all speak the same language does that mean they all HAVE to stick together inspite of thewir national loyalties?
  
  finally.. dont bring nation...race and other issues here. its beyond the scope of newtfmpage.
  
  when you r cornered and frustrated and people are ganging up against you, however unjustified...you will look for "larger than life" reasons to appeal to their passions...its common for every individual who visits this forum. The mature however resist such a path because its brings only more infamy.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Oct 5 14:27:02 EDT 2001
  
  4) why do u assume just because we all speak THE SAME LANGUAGE our cause and motive in life is the same?
  
  
  
  
• From: irf (@ 144.189.248.170) on: Fri Oct 5 16:34:33 EDT 2001
  
  anyone still discussing SPB and his talent?:-))
  
  
• From: Mudhalvan (@ 195.92.67.65) on: Fri Oct 5 17:42:49 EDT 2001
  
  guys, this thread is getting out of control, every one is arguing over silly things!
  
  SPB is the greatest ever, but there are other greats like M.rafi,KK,KJY,PBS,SJ,PS,TMS, who should be compared with SPB in order to prove why & how SPB is the greatest ever, for this proof & facts must be analysed, rather than bland statements like, KJY is better, because he is a carnatic boffin, M.rafi is better because he can sing at higest pitches!!,This is not enough!!!
  
  Both Dr.SPB & DR.KJY have crossed 40,000 songs, while SPB's majority comes from film songs,& KJY's majority comes from pure carnatic, classical & his own albums.
  
  M.rafi & lata had sung lot less than SPB &KJY, there for SPB has more skills than m.rafi, plus SPB has been singing for 35years, M.rafi did not, perhaps he sang for a maximum of 23 years, SPB's favorite singer is M.rafi, while M.rafi's favourite is SPB, atleast they have great respect for each others, unlike some visitors in this forum.
  
  SPB & KJY are the only singer to last 35 years along with Lata Mangeshkar, perhaps Asha bosle.
  in the early seventies & late sixties KJY lacked bass, while SPB had & has a heavy bass, KJY was & is often nasal at higher ptches, but SPB never ever sounded nasal, I used to wonder whether he ever suffered from cold!!.
  
  turning point in SPB's era was his classical shankaraparanam, which got him his first national award, till that date (1979), KJY did not get any national awards, but later he got more national awards, Shankaraparanam was very difficult render for non carnatic singer like SPB, but he proved us wrong, even without no knowledge on Carntic music, ghazzals, that it is possible by him, KJY & Bala murali Krishna would have shankaraparanam, no problems, but KJY's voice, which was slightly nasal at that time (still is) would not have suited the character in shanaraparanam, KJY would have lacked SPB' bass had he sung Shankaraparanam. He can not modulate nor express feelings like the crying bit in "shankaraaaaaa", is impossible by KJY, take KJY's shinthu bhravi, KJY sang the entire song with no modulation, no expression, same boring style, but his voice suited Sivakumar.
  
  I have heard many M.rafi's songs, but can not spell correctly as I am not Hindi person, but once I do, I will compare his songs with SPB.
  
  so topic concludes by saying "SPB is the greatest ever", but not degrading another singers, every has thier talents, but SPB is thier god father!
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Oct 5 17:48:26 EDT 2001
  
  //"so topic concludes by saying "SPB is the greatest ever", but not degrading another singers, every has thier talents, but SPB is thier god father! "//
  
  have any of u ever seen a better contradiction!!!!!
  
  what does god father mean here!
  
  
  
  
• From: Isaipriyan (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Fri Oct 5 18:11:25 EDT 2001
  
  Mudhalvan,
  You have said::SPB is the greatest ever, but there are other greats like M.rafi,KK,KJY,PBS,SJ,PS,TMS, who should be compared with SPB in order to prove why & how SPB is the greatest ever, for this proof & facts must be analysed, rather than bland statements like, KJY is better, because he is a carnatic boffin, M.rafi is better because he can sing at higest pitches!!,This is not enough!!! "
  and then you say at some point that KJY sounds nasal.Thats what you mean by contradiction of your own views.Every thing has to be analysed, as you said.Just comments don't do any good.If this thread is closed thats well and good for everyone, but if you guys are going to repeat saying spb is great and KJY is nasal then U R the most stupid people of the lot.
  Nothing more to say!!!!!!!!
  
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.135) on: Fri Oct 5 18:12:01 EDT 2001
  
  Mudhalvan:
  
  You said " ...sakaraparanam, which got him his first national award, till that date (1979) KJY did not get any national awards....."
  
  To start with, "Sankaraabaranam" award nas not for or in 1979.
  
  KJY won national awards in 1973 (for the 1972 film "ACHCHANUM BAAPPAYUM"), in 1973 (for "GAAYATHRI") and in 1976 (for "CHICHOR"). I wonder where you get your information from!!!
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204) on: Sat Oct 6 15:14:22 EDT 2001
  
  Mudhalvan:
  
  so topic concludes by saying "SPB is the greatest ever", but not degrading another singers, every has thier talents, but SPB is thier god father
  
  thx. Let the topic remain concluded atleast for you.
  
  
• From: Manic_basha2001 (@ 195.92.67.72) on: Sun Oct 7 04:56:43 EDT 2001
  
  Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.135) ;
  
  You are right about those awards for KJY, KJY started his career in 1961, right, while SPb started his career in 1966, I presume SPB's first song is telugu, but what is the name of the song?, and I also presume KJY's first song is a malayalam song, right??.
  
  Can some body tell me how many national awards SPB & KJY have to gether, it is mazing that KJY has been singing for 40 years & SPB has been singing for 35 years, and they both crossed the 40,000 songs record, which till date no other singer has crossed, including M.rafi, Lata & Kishor Kumar.
  
  One draw back of KJY, he is not as versatile as SPB, he is limited to sad songs, devotional & carnatic, but SPB is all rounder, in Cinema, a singer needs to as versatile as possible to modulate , express feelings, this is where SPB has an edge over KJY, M.rafi,KK, etc.
  
  When SPB sings, he gives you picture of the actor's emotions & situation of the songs, TMS was also good at this, but he never had an amazing voice as SPB,nor was he as good as SPB in carnatic songs, although TMS was good at devotional. TMS was good as SPB in higer notes, but not in lower notes, as TMS lacked the bass of SPB.
  
  In order for a singer to be the greatest, a singer must have had exposure to all types of songs, there is no one else who had done this apart from SPB, that's what & his divinest voice make him the greatest ever!
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.149.160) on: Sun Oct 7 10:07:01 EDT 2001
  
  manic basha, you have said the correct thing. versatility is very important( i do not know whether those who critisize or do not accept spb's greateness know the meaning of versatile. if not let them refer to norman lewis or some other good english book)that is where spb scores over others.also repeated hearing to his voice do not make us feel bored and his voice has never become stale till today.that is the highest point of this living genius
  
  

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