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Greatest Contribution of Ilayaraja to TFM

Topic started by Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on Wed Feb 13 23:08:16 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

What is Contribution? It means doing some thing that has never been done before. Or playing a significant role. In Thamizh, the word that comes to mind is "puratchi."
I believe every aspect of our great Isai Gnani has been explored in this forum except for a particular genre of songs. In this particular kind of songs, Ilayaraja is the mudisoodaa mannan. No one from MSV, KVM, ARR can touch Ilayaraja in this matter.

Okay, enough of this, let me get to the matter at hand. I urge all Fans, Fanatics, Dissenters and everyone else to contribute to this thread. Let me do the Pillayar Suzhi:

1. Nethu rathiri yemma (ursurpassed description of what happened)
2. Nilaa kaayuthu (who would have thought that munungals can be put to tune)
3. Antha nilavathaan naa kaiyule pudichen (by the master himself)
4. Eduthu vach paalum virichu vacha paayum (if music can be sexy, this is it)
5. Maaman oru naal malliyapoo koduthaan (innocent but deadly)
6. Orampo orampo rukkumani vandi varuthu (no doublespeak here - every thing is direct)
7. Raathiriyil poothirukkum (what a romatic song!)
8. Vaada vaattuthu (yet another masterpiece by the master himself)

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Responses:

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• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Tue Feb 19 01:33:18 EST 2002
  
  How about this: moodi kidantha imaigal rendum paar paar endrathu
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Tue Feb 19 01:39:02 EST 2002
  
  Before anybody tries
  I am just urging those who are ignorant of Ilayaraja's contributions in this field to open their eyes and look.
  This is in response to "dheyvam enraal adhu dheyvam"
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Tue Feb 19 01:40:45 EST 2002
  
  Something got truncated..
  
  Before anybody tries to read vulgarity in the above song, let me assure you that there is none.
  
  I am just urging those who are ignorant of Ilayaraja's contributions in this field to open their eyes and look.
  This is in response to "dheyvam enraal adhu dheyvam"
  
  
• From: Cheenu (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Tue Feb 19 02:36:46 EST 2002
  
  People of totally mis intrepreted the idea behind this thread.
  
  As Gowri has rightly ponted out, IR is the king in this area(just as he in many other areas).
  
  He composes all songs, including seductive ones, with full involvement , correctly understanding the situation and bringing it in the tune. After all, he is paid for that and he does it with 100% professionalism.
  
  It's not that other MD 's have not tried such a thing. As IR is superior both quality-wise and quantity wise, it looks like only IR has composed such songs.
  
  If he has refused to compose such songs, he would not be booked further.
  
  If the songs , instead of looking seductive, looks vulgar, it is the lyricist who should take the blame.
  
  Enjoy IR's all-round performance.
  
  Regarding ARR, let him first think of bringing feelings like romance and love in to his tunes. Then let him think of composing seductive songs.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.49.158) on: Tue Feb 19 08:18:33 EST 2002
  
  AEE goes into first gear/second gear when it comes to romantic duets-list jut TEN fast paced duets in the mode of paada vandhadho gaanam or vaa vaa anbe.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Tue Feb 19 09:44:02 EST 2002
  
  yaaro, who is AEE?
  
  
• From: (^!^) (@ 207.43.195.202) on: Tue Feb 19 10:15:45 EST 2002
  
  AEE = ARR kku pakkaththula Keyboard vaasikkaravar :-)
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Tue Feb 19 10:18:06 EST 2002
  
  :-))))
  good one, (^!^) (@ 207.43.195.202).
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.49.182) on: Tue Feb 19 14:16:41 EST 2002
  
  oops-ARR goes into first gear/second gear when it comes to romantic duets-list jut TEN fast paced duets in the mode of paada vandhadho gaanam or vaa vaa anbe.this was what I intended.that was a random thought.dont take it seriously!
  
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/15320.09.54.53.html
  similar thread-no responses at all.same topic-look at the provocative manner in which it was started and look at the response.Is there a lesson in this?
  
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.49.182) on: Tue Feb 19 14:19:42 EST 2002
  
  //Frankly speaking, the late 70s and early 80s were the worst years as far as "dirty" lyrics were concerned.
  And it is a fact that AR Rahman has single-handledly almost brought total decency to TFM.//this is from THE translator adhavan.funny ,one ARR fans thinks one and another thinks exactly the opposite...
  
  
• From: K (@ 63.159.223.194) on: Tue Feb 19 18:19:20 EST 2002
  
  e! Unga vazhikke varren.
  
  I or any of us for that matter don't call our fathers "ThandaiyE". But when you refer your parents to others, do you say "enga appanum aathaaLum"?
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.4.22) on: Wed Feb 20 00:51:09 EST 2002
  
  K, neenga nagaramA grAmamA? AthA is a very common usage (like Ayi) in south TN villages & small towns. Similarly, appan is a very common usage in south TN, esp village colloquial language (`enga appan kuthirukkuL illE', kEttadhillE?)
  
  NOM!
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Wed Feb 20 01:20:11 EST 2002
  
  Cheenu is right. Taking it one step further, no one else have ever enjoyed composing for these kind of songs like our king has. :)
  
  Since yaaro doesn't want to be taken seriously, I won't. :)
  There was no provocation. While we have people shouting all over the Net that IR is this, IR is that, I merely added by saying IR is also this. :)
  
  BTW, I am no one's fan. And I don't see both statements as conflicting. Where is the conflict?
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Wed Feb 20 04:03:34 EST 2002
  
  whatever be the purpose of the thread, thanks a lot gowri for bringing out another dimension of IR, a topic that has not been discussed much. There have been umpteem discussions on IR's technical knowledge & perfection (u know, every other song of his is based on carnatic ragas), on IR's unmatched versatility (carnatic+folk, folk+Western Classics, Carnatic+Western Classic, Carnatic + Pop), on his genius in defying the rules (you need to be an expert on the rules first, before you try to break it) ect etc...thanks a lot
  
  
• From: aavEndhan (@ 64.126.84.100) on: Wed Feb 20 08:00:38 EST 2002
  
  OK Gowri. Now that you have clarified what you meant in the first place, do you really feel that "this (type of songs) is the Greatest Contribution of Ilayaraja" ? :-)
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Wed Feb 20 22:50:59 EST 2002
  
  What twilight_zone says is correct. I see sarcasm in that statement; I hope so do everyone else.
  
  I certainly believe that these bawdy stuff is Ilayaraaja's greatest contribution to TFM. You may choose to see it positively or negatively. :)
  
  
• From: Aadhavan (@ 210.186.51.49) on: Thu Feb 21 10:31:04 EST 2002
  
  >And it is a fact that AR Rahman has single->handledly almost brought total decency to >TFM.//this is from THE translator >adhavan.funny ,one ARR fans thinks one and >another thinks exactly the opposite...
  
  Let me put it in simple English: During IR's period, TF songs were bawdy. After ARR came into the picture, he brought a certain level of decency to TF songs.
  
  Still hard to understand?
  
  
• From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23) on: Thu Feb 21 12:02:02 EST 2002
  
  is it a coincidence that some of IR's greatest songs in this category had Kamal involved?
  
  nila kaayuthu,
  nethu raathiri yamma,
  sivaraathiri thookkam ethu
  and the big daddy of them all:
  ponmeni uruguthe
  
  Have there been other memorable songs like these with other actors?
  
  BTW someone earlier was complaining about the "appanum aathalum serama pona" song. I havn't seen the movie, so I dont know in what context it was sung, but going by the song itself it is saying that 'sex is natural, without it would you have been born?'
  "budhanum pona paatha thaan, pombala ennum botha thaan..." great lines, I love the song!
  
  IR fans, I dont think there is any thing to be ashamed of in the fact that IR is the master of this category. Maybe if he had been master of ONLY this category, but we know that this is but just one of the innumerable categories in which he is the boss.
  
  If Gowri was saying this just to irritate IR fans then I can understand, but if he really thinks that it is IR's greatest contribution to TFM then IMO he is an idiot.
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Thu Feb 21 21:00:06 EST 2002
  
  tigger - IMHO, there is no greater idiot in the world than one who goes around the net using its anonymous cover as a shield and calls people names. Therefore YOU the world's greatest idiot!
  
  Why do I say that Ilayaraja's greatest contribution to TFM is bawdy stuff? Think (if you can, that is, which I seriously doubt.) If you can't understand, try re-reading the introduction to this thread. If it still fails you, don't tax your brain any further and accept that some things are just beyond your power of comprehension.
  
  Apparently, having a keyboard and access to internet does not make an idiot any better!
  
  
• From: tigger (@ 65.186.21.53) on: Fri Feb 22 00:09:29 EST 2002
  
  sorry Gowri for calling u an idiot, but I dont really need to read your spin on what you mean by "greatest contribution".
  
  "Greatest contribution" means exactly that: "greatest contribution".
  
  It means according to you his contribution in this area is greater than his contribution in any other area of film music. That's what annoyed me.
  
  as for your last line, let me just say: look in the mirror! :)
  
  
  
  
• From: Ramakrishna (@ 209.179.216.179) on: Fri Feb 22 00:12:48 EST 2002
  
  "Ponmeni urugudhe" in my opinion sucks. I think a better song is "Darling darling darling" in Priya. Its lyrics are truly great even for a seductive song without being vulgar.
  
  I also like "Pattu vanna roja" in Jeeva.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri Feb 22 00:39:22 EST 2002
  
  BTW someone earlier was complaining about the "appanum aathalum serama pona" song. I havn't seen the movie, so I dont know in what context it was sung,
  
  tigger
  
  I give the first line of the song and i guess i remember the film situation a bit, though forgot the movie name i saw it l0 years back or so.
  
  The first line is Kaadhal aenbadhu podhu udama(udamai) kashtammattum thaanae thani udama; appanum aathaLum saeraama pona neeyum thaan porakka mudiyuma. It is the typical Thamizh Film situation in which hero is lamenting on the betrayal done to him by the heroine and a road side dhaadiwaala pichchaikkaaran with his Kanjira like bigger size percussion instrument(sorry don't know its name) sings a thaththuva song(in our case, this song) at the night under a tree with mild smoke evolving around him. This song is supposed to be a thaththuva song in that movie.
  
  This reminds me of an old time MGR movie. As usual, in that movie MGR will be a secret agent and in a disguise of a vettiyaan(forgive me if it is an offensive word, i did not mean it) follows villan goshti to a sudugaadu and in the sudugaadu sings one of the greatest thaththuva song of TFM, undakki vittavargaL rendu paeru; ingae kondu vandhu pottavargaL naalu paeru; kondaada vandhavargaL nooru paeru; uyir koodu vittu pogumbodhu yaaru kooru. I don't think, just because the first part, this song too qualifies under the kind of "ponmaeni urugudhae". If still, then every other song in TFM qualifies itself to this category then this would disqualify IR to be the "Greatest Contributor" in this category and i guess the starter of thread won't endorse to that.
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Fri Feb 22 01:33:25 EST 2002
  
  Gowri, when some people post threads there are two intentions, a) to discuss, b) to try & project either a false or true image of themselves in the process...so what have we here...hmm, lets see, by opening a thread that tries to convey,"gee, see i am gowri, a very pure person who hates bawdy lyrics, and this shud tell you that i am very decent personality.." But when i see the umpteen number of "quotes" on bawdy lyrics that u seem to have in store, i won't buy that story, to be honest. What do you think? ;-)
  
  [Don't for god's sake try to project a "clean pure" image for yourselves by bringing down a master genius alive in the music world today.]
  
  

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