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So, WHO is doing the music for Thangar Bachchan's next film...?

Topic started by Ravi (@ 24.199.91.222) on Mon Jun 30 22:39:10 EDT 2003.
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...titled "Thendral" starring Karthik, produced by Oscar Films V.Ravichandran. Is it Ilayaraja or Vidyasagar? Please let me know. Also, provide a link, if you guys can, where it confirms that Ilayaraja or Vidyasagar is doing the music for Thangar's next film.

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• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.234.132) on: Wed Jul 9 04:49:55 EDT 2003
  
  I HAVE REPLIED THOUSNAND TIMES.... CANT U SEE?
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  Hey Vandicholai chinrasu had a gr8 song "chithirai nilavu" and he used that tune for BGM in romantic secenes.. thats the way ARR works.. he uses the song's tunes in BGM so that the mood in the film is not shifted... i have seen many hollywood composeres do that... ex:jerry goldsmith..."
  hey mann u have problem bcos u can understand only IR's type of work.. and u cant understand ARR ever.....
  y did IR sucked with Manasellam BGM?. u reply now...
  
  
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.74) on: Wed Jul 9 05:01:24 EDT 2003
  
  AND I HAVE ALREADY REPLIED TO THAT AND AM ASKING YOU TO REPLY TO THAT....CANT U SEE?
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  From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.74) on: Tue Jul 8 23:48:51 EDT 2003
  
  
  MADDY,
  So that 1 song is great. But did you listen to the whole BGM. You are only remembering the tiny bit he adapted from that song as BGM which he used here & there for the romantic scenes. But have you listened to 95% of the BGM? Please do. Its TOTAL noise. TOTALLY out of placed. Very embarassing.
  
  As you claim, which other hollywood composers have done like what ARR did?
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.215) on: Wed Jul 9 05:10:27 EDT 2003
  
  Maddy...
  
  a piece of advice for u..
  u cant stop dogs from barking..let it be...
  we human beings..cant be barking at them back...
  can we?...
  
  all they need is a ParleG biscuit and some bones...to bite.
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.26) on: Wed Jul 9 07:21:03 EDT 2003
  
  i have answered one question... so u answer one question of mine.... y did IR suck with "Manasellam" BGM? come on reply this for other replies from me..
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.26) on: Wed Jul 9 07:21:54 EDT 2003
  
  yaa thnx for the advise paran.... this guy is after me like a street dog only... chasing you into variuos streets.... anyway, wat's ur take on boysss-paran and r u a member of arrfanclub?
  
  
• From: V (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Wed Jul 9 07:54:53 EDT 2003
  
  Hi All,
  
  ARR is not good at BGM. eveybody knows. Not all IR movies had great BGM. Very few ARR movies had good BGM. I dont know what this guy maddy wants. If he thinks ARR is great, its good. I dont know why he wants to brainwash people. He acts like someone who tries to convert others religion (its personal choice). If you see any good thing about ARR say that, discuss about that. If you feel some IR album is bad discuss about it too. If you still want to convince to people ARR is great, then do one thing .... start a topic:
  "Please tell ARR is great". This is ridiculous. The worst thing is he does not respond to anything that which makes sense and which is in direct contrast to his thoughts.
  
  Maddy, one more thing I want you to look at. See these pages and look for all the reviews, especially manasellam and if you have brain, you will not comeback to this forum, with this kind of mentality.
  
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/ir_reviews.html
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/arr_reviews.html
  
  V
  
  
• From: V (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Wed Jul 9 08:15:39 EDT 2003
  
  And this topic is not about ARR FYI
  
  V
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.226) on: Wed Jul 9 08:27:05 EDT 2003
  
  y doesen't IR get international recognition?........ the reason is that his music doesent have international appeal.....
  u know it maddy then y r u asking me???
  in a previous post ive answered to this question of urs and ive very clearly stated that IR doesnt compose in international style cos he considers that to be junk. he is very indian and true to the music of this land.... how many times shud i tell u all these maddy. again and again ur raising the same questions.uve got some 2 or 3 standard questions which u keep on raising but when we reply u keep quiet for some time then u come up with the same question again. is there a problem for u in understanding english.
  he is just for underwear showing......
  yes ive accepted the fact that he is for indian culture and indian music. in india most of our population is underwear showing, lungi-wearing, moustched males and footballed-bellied females so wat? not everyone is an aishwarya. aish or the so called models are being projected by the MNCs beautiful and we r made to belive this is beauty. well i dont buy that crap buddy.not most of the indians will buy that too.its only the english speaking yuppie ungsters who fall for such things.
  there another popular saying in tamil-"koorai yeri kozhi pidikka mudiyathavan vaanam yeri vaigundatha thoda poranam". let ARR get popular within the majority of this country who reside in rural area. can he dare do it. well he wont becos he after money money money. these people r poor and there is no need for him to provide music for them.hence he providing music for yuppie ungsters like u and others who can buy his cds and albums.
  
  
• From: rajsaranam (@ 210.214.128.226) on: Wed Jul 9 08:34:55 EDT 2003
  
  paran is getting sleep,
  even a IR fans post can make him sleep.jus think if he is sane enuff to listen to IRs songs.they r so gentle and soothing that sure hell sleep well.
  
  
• From: rajsaranam (@ 210.214.128.226) on: Wed Jul 9 08:35:36 EDT 2003
  
  paran is getting sleep,
  even a IR fans post can make him sleep.jus think if he is sane enuff to listen to IRs songs.they r so gentle and soothing that sure hell sleep well.
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.8) on: Wed Jul 9 11:06:00 EDT 2003
  
  hello Mr. V i dunt wanna brainwash people.... my God ARR will do that.... i dunt want anyone to convert into Rahmanism also.... i felt some criticism made by these guys agasnst ARR were ridiculuos and so i had to react... that's it...this ambleen character is the one chasing me.. look at the Old responses section.... hey i dunt wanna irritate ppl. here.... and look how IR fans provoke me... can u seeeee that Mr. V pls... it's not my fault entirely...
  
  ANYWAY Y DUNT U ADVISE TO IR FANS---- AFRAID OF BACKLASH AND LENGTHY RELIES FROM THEM???
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.8) on: Wed Jul 9 11:11:42 EDT 2003
  
  Rajasaranam aiyya
  can u make a small correction.. IR gives typical Tamil music and not Indian music bcos IR songs have very low percentage of Punjabi,Gujarati, Rajasthani,Bengali folk touch in it.. so he is the authority in Tamil folk music and not Indian music.....
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.40.127) on: Wed Jul 9 11:20:18 EDT 2003
  
  "he uses the song's tunes in BGM so that the mood in the film is not shifted"
  
  Maddy,
  Most film composers have done this in the past, the simple reason being that they don't have better ideas for BGM. There are quite a few articles which have discussed the nuances of BGM especially of IR's BGM in contrast to those of ordinary composers' BGM. When IR does use a song as BGM, it's only because that is the most apt BGM for that scene. You can see that some of IR's movies have entire/partial song playing softly as BGM. A recent example is the title song of Sathi Leelavathy, which is played at parts of the movie.
  
  
  Jag
  
  
• From: V (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Wed Jul 9 12:08:31 EDT 2003
  
  Rajsaranam, I dont accept to your viewpoint that raja is true Indian, doesnt like other music forms. He used WCM alot. If ARR excels in Western music and attains fame, its great. I dont think that should be dismissed because its not Indian music.
  Raja did not seek for that for some reason. Maybe he was not aware of what it takes (for someone from a village atleast for couple of years, he thought movies is the ultimate or he did not know the avenues, ARR is well informed .. in this info tech age, getting popularity is easier than before). There are so many internationally acclaimed musicians of Indian who play India music or fuse Indian music with others (Guitar Prassanna, L. Subramaniam). Its just a big mistake by raja not to go for this, in early stage of his career. ARR should be appreciated for trying things along this path. I am sure Raja would have been a better musician than he is now (atleast he would have had some artistic stuff to do), if he had tried on those lines.
  
  V
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.160) on: Wed Jul 9 12:26:15 EDT 2003
  
  V,
  I think you have no idea what you are talking about. Please read the article by guitar Prasanna himself before you talk about fusion and such things. There are other articles on Raajangahm which give an ample illustration of the level of fusion Raaja has done.
  
  
  Jag
  
  
• From: V (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Wed Jul 9 13:18:37 EDT 2003
  
  Jag,
  
  I said in my posting "He used WCM alot" and everyone knows raja is an expert in carnatic. everyone knows he fuses both seamlessly, infact most forms of music with Indian music form. The whole point in my previous message is .. if ARR excels in western music its good. So, long as he provides good stuff, no matter which music form he opts, everyone should appreciate it. I dont like the idea of rajsarnam saying that ARR doesnt provide Indian music so he is not true Indian (thats way too childish). Its like saying computer is a western invention, any true Indian will not use it. Every music form is open to all, its upto the composer to use it.
  
  Jag, wordings in my previous posting would have been misleading or you have misintrepreted it.
  Rajsarnam, if I misinterpreted your posting please clarify.
  
  Maddy, I think the best way is ignore such people. And, I dont know why you call ARR GOD and seen so many here call IR and ARR as GOD. If you guys refrain from using these words and superlatives for an average album, everyone would get a normal picture. Jobless morons can be avoided only if you avoid responding to their post.
  
  V
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.160) on: Wed Jul 9 13:42:04 EDT 2003
  
  V,
  Point noted. I think I had spoken out of context here especially with regard to rajasaranam's comments on ARR. You are right, every composer has has the right to chose his form of composition. It's better if he can create his own style. Maybe rajasaranam's beefing with ARR's music is that by and large it is indistinguishable from many others' style of music, in the western pop scene, before him. A modest number of songs have the ARR mark upon them (I do have a listing of such songs and what makes them stand out eg. Kannu Kannum... from TT, En veetu from Gentleman, Kizhakku Cheemayilae..from KC, Minnale from MayMadham , Pacham..from AP and so on).
  Unlike IR's music which stands out immediately from any recognised genre. It's like being unable to differentiate between Nsync and Backstreet boys (disregarding vocals), but we will be able to tell IR's interludes from MSV's, KVM's, or Beethovan's.
  It is surely true that ARR's music does not reach/appeal to rural folk where they have substandard transistors and recorders which hide the excellent recording quality which is a hallmark of ARR's song. The genre of his songs doesn't help either.
  
  
  
  Jag
  
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Jul 9 13:53:35 EDT 2003
  
  I was listening to azhagi yesterday..so was curious about this thread. RE: IR and WCM - the idea to infuse WCM into film music was started by our film musicians long ago. Violin having been introduced into indian music, they probably decided WCM, especially strings, could add a nice harmony to indian melodies. IR just took this to the next level. Note, carnatic and WCM are classical music forms, so you can create popular/lite versions from them. This is the key to evolving different genres of music. IR did add elements of rock music to his style. Our music directors have always given songs in popular beats (waltz, twist, rocknroll, disco) etc. Meanwhile, in the West, people have been evolving different genres of music and now our MDs are picking up on it. There is nothing wrong in this, but I feel our MDs also should be 'creating' new genres of music (not just adapting them to indian style). IR is always 'creating' new music, even though quite a few songs of his would be his 'standard' style. It is very difficult to make all songs in 'new style' in all the albums. You can only change the sound, that is why IR songs dont sound different drastically. The progress is slow and people following his music, can spot a new development. eg. enna solli paaduvathO in en mana vaanil. IR has previously used bass guitar in rhythm and melody songs as well. eg. pon maanE ..kObam EnO... Now listen to manasellAm:iLaiyanadhi iniyanadhi to see how the rhythm is maintained or for that matter oliyiLe therivadhu in azhagi. Since 1976, probably has evolved very many styles of orchestrating songs. Other MDs should shoot for this level of diversity and innovation.
  
  

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