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Is Rahman Village, Carnatic and Background Musically Challenged?

Topic started by Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.73.97) on Sun Oct 29 01:31:55 EDT 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

A great music director should be known for his/her trick on all trades when it comes to music. But AR Rahman is good only in recording crystal clear music. As far other areas are concerned he had failed miserably. Listen to all his village oriented songs same type of digital music. Even Deva and SAR do better job than him. What about BGM he plays the songs repeatedly. Deva does a better job atleast copying from Titanic or BraveHeart. What happened to songs based out of Raagas there also he lacks knowledge. What about his singing style man. Drs recommend his "Vandemataram" to clear Constibation than bringing out patriotism.

Discuss this fake, self promoting and copying star and remove his masquerade.

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• From: eLLUkkaattukku thekkE (@ 129.253.193.7) on: Tue Oct 31 18:51:39 EST 2000
  
  'idhai ezuthubavan oru muttaaL' nu oru sardaarji ezuthina kathaiyaa irukku nainaa un postingu!!
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Tue Oct 31 18:52:30 EST 2000
  
  aNNaachchi Ganga! pOna maasam naa Raja Oda pEsarachchEy avar 18,724.875 nu sonnadhaa gnyaabagam. sila concert la avar paadhila ezhundhu pOnadhellaam proportionately kaNakku pOttirukkaar manushan!
  
  aruL: maraththadi counted naa bathroom um count paNNNaum. appdinnaa ennOda record sumaar 29,200 sErum. yOv dhinamum naalu vELai kuLichchEn yaa. enakkyu vayasu 20 thaan, So 20*365*4 = 29,200 kaNakku!
  
  
• From: bakthan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Tue Oct 31 18:54:27 EST 2000
  
  swamiji aNNa,
  buddhiya kamichitingaLe...ganga amma illa appa..
  illai..mmmm ok ok....
  :)))
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 18:57:00 EST 2000
  
  Ammavo, appavo - theivam. abirami abirami...
  
  
• From: dontcare (@ 208.154.130.13) on: Tue Oct 31 18:58:45 EST 2000
  
  rajaG:
  
  Engayya invallavu naaLa kaanamnu parthen. IRai pathi kuppaiyya ezhudhanumnaa vandhuruviyE?
  Cheee cheee, indha tfm page can be named kuppai thotti forum.
  
  bb, rajaG, fan, MS:
  Neengalla gumbala sendhu mudhalEyE pesikkittu indha foruthila vandhu attack panradhellam nambaLkku theriyum pa! Summa, indha vai chavadaal ellam venam, amam!
  
  
• From: bakthan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Tue Oct 31 18:59:17 EST 2000
  
  Swamiji ok ok...Mood vandhachu pOla...mmmm...
  
  
• From: Ganga (@ 129.253.193.7) on: Tue Oct 31 19:00:05 EST 2000
  
  bakthan, thaaymaanavan gaRa en pErai swaamiji 'thaayum aanavan' nnu padham pirichuttaar pOla.
  Other guys,(Both HCIRfans and HCARRfans),
  Have fun guys. bash the opponents and show up your intensity of fanness. Sorry for digression.
  Time to show off. go ahead.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 19:01:56 EST 2000
  
  dontcare, yen paa ippadi manam nondutta? summa "poyya poyya pokke" nnu vittudalaam la? Ulagam innammum suthhthu, mudinja ada niruthunga!
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Tue Oct 31 19:03:05 EST 2000
  
  Don't care:
  
  I have slept with 20,000 women in my life - Wilt Chamberlain (famous basket ball player)
  
  IR has performed 20,000 concerts around thamizhnadu, kerala and the megapolis Bombay - raajaangahm site.
  
  renndu quotes aiyum "CAREFUL" aapadi. engayaavadhu criss-cross aa quote paNNinEnnaa esagu pisagu aayidum!:-)
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 19:03:41 EST 2000
  
  Ganga, veetu pakkam veriyama? Morunjaam peinju tharen...
  
  
• From: Ganga (@ 129.253.193.7) on: Tue Oct 31 19:07:29 EST 2000
  
  orE oru doubtu thaan. vaa machaan vaa folk songaa? If so what is 'enna paattu paada '?
  
  
• From: cbi reports on posting-fixing (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Tue Oct 31 19:09:15 EST 2000
  
  fan: halo rajagya, sowkiyama G, ir vs arr thread is going on, how about posting .
  rajag: ok ok, vera enna news, ange ore arr bashingA..., thangalai ya.bb is also on line.
  bb: yes yes,
  fan: how about all of us posting there, i am ready, vetti thane.
  rajag: ok no problem,
  bb:nan ready,
  fan: we will drag some issue, someone will post a good subject..
  
  
  after 10mins
  rajag: halo srik, as predicted 20,000 issue has come up.
  srik: yes, should we call ganga's service.
  rajag: is he free,
  srik:yes call him.
  rajag: i will., bye, have fun.
  
  
• From: idontcare (@ 208.154.130.13) on: Tue Oct 31 19:10:11 EST 2000
  
  Indha forum is totally a tamil family based forum, Ennatha forum nadathareengalo!!!!!. Ellam oru naalu pEru mattum vaLa vaLunnu pesavendiyadhu, adhukku 4 mandai jaalra podavendiyadhu.
  
  Please change the forum title as "TAMIL FRIENDS/FAMILY DISCUSSION FORUM"
  
  
• From: vazhi pokkan (@ 63.100.100.141) on: Tue Oct 31 19:11:24 EST 2000
  
  don't care neenga nallatha forum open pannungo.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 19:11:56 EST 2000
  
  Family discussionaa? naan nalla advice pannuven.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Tue Oct 31 19:12:21 EST 2000
  
  ranga: vaa machchaan vaa - I don't know if it is a folk song. But another word starting with an f and ending with a k comes to my mind (in terms of the content of the song):-)
  
  enna paatu paada is a question song, just like the American National anthem!
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 19:14:02 EST 2000
  
  Ayyyaaaaa....RajaG, thaangalai ppa...nalla joke sollen please...
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Tue Oct 31 19:14:46 EST 2000
  
  Dontcare: regular jaalraa pOdara aaL indha vaaram "family leave" la pOyirukkaan. neenga temparavary yaa varELaa? thaaLam vEthaaLam thaan!:-)
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 19:15:57 EST 2000
  
  Yenga jaalraa? oru bhajan paaduvomaa?
  
  
• From: bakthan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Tue Oct 31 19:16:08 EST 2000
  
  swamiji...neengalA....!
  ore kAlAthula book pOtingA...ippO...vayasu Aachu pOla...
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 19:18:21 EST 2000
  
  bahtha, nee eppo rajaG, Fan, MS ivangaloda andhapurathukku ponai?
  
  
• From: bb (@ 216.217.80.201) on: Tue Oct 31 19:18:53 EST 2000
  
  guys, pOdhum...
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 19:20:37 EST 2000
  
  Podhummapaa siva sivaaa
  
  
• From: Ganga (@ 129.253.193.7) on: Tue Oct 31 19:24:40 EST 2000
  
  hello, Swamiji, waiting for ur phone call.
  
  
• From: vazhipokkan (@ 63.100.100.141) on: Tue Oct 31 19:29:46 EST 2000
  
  Ganga Ithennaa forum fixinga:-))
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 21:08:41 EST 2000
  
  Ganga...enga irukkai nee?
  
  
• From: G. Kuppusamy (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Wed Nov 1 01:14:13 EST 2000
  
  aiyoo,
  
  makkal yengaeyo aarambichhu yengaeyellamo poi kadaisiyil saakkadai(IR v/s ARR + IRFans v/s ARRFans kudumi pidi sandai) kullae vizhugirargal.
  
  i just saw the subject, wanted to putforth my point. i dont have music knowledge so i cannot write about ARR's Classical (Carnatic,Hindustani, WCM) or BGM. As a listener of cine music i just wanted to post my views about ARR's folk composition in tamil film. i'vent heard much Northern folks and for that matter non-tamil folks, so ultimately, my view is limited to ARR's folk songs which are tamil folk in nature.
  
  A composed song has many parts say tune, singing, instruments, arrangements, and other lottu lossukkus (better ask fan & co who knows music).
  
  With these background info., udhaya, let me explain why i sounded ambivalent. First of all i beg u people's pardon had i sounded ambivalent.
  
  I just wanted to write as if i were explaining my point thru a speech. So I just took a posture of being a person who say 'ARR's folk songs are bad'. After saying so i transformed myself as an analyst(!!) to think about why i said like that(about ARR's folk). Many reasons came to my mind. I classified them as Personal and Musical. I spoke only about one musical reason which sounded good at the end of my analysis that is the ACCENT part of singing. So when I say Rahmaanish it IS STRICTLY with respect to ACCENT, nothing more nothing less.
  
  Again even about that ACCENT part i'm neither finding fault in it nor supporting it. i'm saying it as a statement. This accent of singing is his style of composing cine song. It may be good/revolutionary or bad/scrap, i dont want to get into it. I just took it as rahmaan style, that is all.
  
  So when i said pachhakili paadum paatu is a good folk song, i meant its folk tune. So when i said the "panjumethha" is rahmaanish i strictly meant its accent, which(accent) i think people feel it to be alien to tamil folk song singing, thats all.
  
  Again my view can be refutable as i assume that singing in rahmaanish accent is alien to tamil folk. you may call it biased but sorry i could not restrict it.
  
  Also, nowhere in the posting i took a posture of supporter or basher(is it correct??) of ARR. i saw only his cine song which are tamil folk in nature.
  
  Hope i clarified me (or did i confused u more?).
  
  One more point to u and baagavathar about the subbudu episode. What i remember is, when 'yennavalae' was released people went on praising it as a very good song in kedhaaram. Subbudu refuted that point he said it is not pure kedhaaram it is 'kedhaarathukku seedhaaram'. I think he just wanted to refute that point thats all. It does not mean that he could not identify its raaga or whether the song is a raagamalika or sruthibedam song etc etc. Keeping this in both of your mind please proceed with ur kudumi pidi sandai :-)
  
  Kuppu
  
  
  
• From: G. Kuppusamy (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Wed Nov 1 01:16:25 EST 2000
  
  one more thing udhaya..
  
  why i quoted the anal message of this thread and another anti-IR message is, because i wanted to point out that in this posting im not trying to find fault in ARR or support him, thats all. if it is bad then i once again beg ur pardon..
  
  Kuppu
  
  
• From: G. Kuppusamy (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Wed Nov 1 01:21:41 EST 2000
  
  a final clarification udhaya
  
  in future i'll try to be more cautious in using the copy+paste technology. i forgot to change the spelling of constiBation to constiPation. thanks for pointing it out...
  
  ohm..shanthishanthishanthihi...
  kuppu
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130) on: Wed Nov 1 10:42:16 EST 2000
  
  Folks,
  ARR knows nothing about folk music. He steals a lot from others work and mixes it with his own pop-styled music and calls it folk music. You guys all know who is the undisputed leader of Folk Music needless to say it is Isai Gyani.
  
  

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