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TFMin isai kuyil PSa, SJa, Chithravaa?

Topic started by Shanmugam Murugappan (@ ifmxmenlo.informix.com) on Thu Dec 3 16:32:36 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Hi all,

I just surfed thro' the net and happened to see the profile of PS. She was heralded as the "Lata Mangeshkar" of TFM. Does she deserve that crown more than SJ and Chithra?

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• From: Sam (@ cache.gh.com) on: Tue Apr 4 15:52:52 EDT 2000
  
  Chitra is a great singer, but defenitely cannot be in the same league with the legend PS. Of course, when she burst into the scene, these legends (PS, Vani) were almost out of scene. So defenitely they are all not on the same plane to compare.
  But given the variety of songs PS has sung(the depth in her songs, no one can reproduce), i think filling her place will be a daunting task for anyone(Just listen to Karnan song Iravum nilavum malarattumey.... at the end of each stanza she will finish the malaratumey with "mey" extending for few seconds, but within that few seconds it will go thru zillion variations. she does this in each stanza. remember those were the days without any modern tech..)
  Chitra's voice is Sweet but may times it lacks depth.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp01.sprint.com) on: Tue Apr 4 19:49:37 EDT 2000
  
  Sam: What modern tech. does Chitra need today to do the variations similar to "mey" in iravum nilavum. You have absolute power to be a fan of PS. But please don't present your subjective bias in identifying PS's talents, as if it is an objective, identifiable, measurable variable. There is no song of PS which KSC cannot deliver, and vice versa.
  
  
• From: Neel (@ ts004d46.har-ct.concentric.net) on: Tue Apr 4 20:06:27 EDT 2000
  
  This is what I think are the special aspects of some of the popular TFM singers. They all have several qualities but I am lisiting what I think are the best features.
  PS - Consistency, Clarity, Perfection
  VJ - Power, Skill, Confidence
  SJ - Involvement, Creativity, Passion
  LRE- Attitude, Versatility
  KSC- Sweetness, Freshness
  Swarnalatha - Power, Innocence
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Tue Apr 4 22:25:55 EDT 2000
  
  cucAtA - all the above
  
  (cummA veRuppEtta connEn :-) )
  
  
• From: vElaiyattavan (@ 129.252.26.235) on: Wed Apr 5 00:09:50 EDT 2000
  
  cummA connAlum conneenga, cucAtA patti inga nAnga unga Tamizai purinjukka romba kactappaTaROm. tayavu seytu pazaya aruLA maaRidunga :-)
  
  (Don't you yourself feel that there is a terrible time lag between reading and understanding this ? :-)
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 205.252.37.3) on: Thu Apr 6 10:39:27 EDT 2000
  
  Neel:
  Innocence ? Attitude ? Power ? Confidence ? Involvement ? I don't see how these have anything to do with singing abilities ! But I think most of the other qualities that you mentioned are appropriate. Irrespective of which, SJ is the best ;-)
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Thu Apr 6 11:11:59 EDT 2000
  
  Neels: indha qualities ellaam thani thani cheettula ezhudhi pOttu, aaLukku 2 or 3 nu oru kutti paiyanaiyO kutti paappaavaiyO, kulukki pOttu porukka sonneengaLaa? BTW, the qualities you have assigned remind me of some 'Quality Process', 'BPI initiative', types of scary management jargons. I am almost tempted to ask "If these are the listed strengths of these singers, what are their developmental needs, and where do you see them 3 years from today?" :-)
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Thu Apr 6 11:16:00 EDT 2000
  
  vElai: please don't ignore the time lag between your (one's) thought process and transcription int the 'aruL tamiz' format.
  
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Thu Apr 6 11:32:22 EDT 2000
  
  rajaG :
  You imply that PS and KSC are interchangeable.
  IMO I don't think so.
  
  I cannot imagine anyone else other than singing
  'AlayamaNiyin Osaiyai nAn kEtten' and sound convincing.
  
  Likewise with 'pAdaRiyEn padippariyEn' or 'indha chinnakkuyil pAdum pAttu'
  
  Each singer is unique and you just cannot replace them with anyone else.
  
  Can SPB replace Suresh Peters in chikkubukku chikkubukku rayilu ? No way !
  
  
• From: Neel (@ ts006d04.har-ct.concentric.net) on: Thu Apr 6 13:29:51 EDT 2000
  
  Srinath & RajaG:
  The qualities I mentioned can certainly be attributed with a singer's performance. It can get very long if I start describing them. By the way, I am not Neels, just Neel, different person.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Thu Apr 6 14:53:41 EDT 2000
  
  pg: Strictly IMO, there is no special masala in Aalaya maNiyin that is unique to PS's singing. It is a good melody and I am not taking anything away from her rendition. In fact KSC's yEdhEdhO eNNam is quite similar in style to aalaya maNiyin.
  
  If you want to talk about unique numbers let's take SJ's pon mEni urugudhEy or LRE's pattaththu raaNi, elandha payam, or masaka masaka cheekatilO etc.
  
  The question is not how SPB will sound in Chikku Bukku. Has he done similar numbers? Well ofcourse! Take namma ooru singaari for example. Now has Suresh P done anything like sangeedha jadhi mullai? NOOOOOOOOOOO! That's why he cannot replace SPB.
  
  
• From: S (@ cache.gh.com) on: Thu Apr 6 15:01:23 EDT 2000
  
  Well Definitely chitra will screach loudly if she attempts singing "Naalai intha velai paarthu"(In High pitch songs she faults ....Eg. Anjali in duet)
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ thing16.slip.yorku.ca) on: Thu Apr 6 15:13:42 EDT 2000
  
  Mr.S
  I disagree. The song you mentioned has gotten mixed reviews even in this site. And, I have heard several songs where PS sounds like she is screeching at high pitch. I think most of the best songs of any singers are those done in their voice range. I was listening to PS's 'lovebirds, lovebirds' song and found it quite irritating while another song 'kangal enge' was, IMO, a great song. Both I found in SK's site.
  
  
• From: Neel (@ ts003d02.har-ct.concentric.net) on: Thu Apr 6 21:23:50 EDT 2000
  
  There are only two songs of Chitra that I think are her best performances. Yedhedo Ennam from Punnagai Mannan and Kannalane from Bombay.
  
  
• From: hari (@ 77user249.ctinets.com) on: Thu Apr 6 22:52:42 EDT 2000
  
  chitra and sj are good singers.there is no doubt in it.but ps is evergreen according to me in her voice
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ madrid13.slip.yorku.ca) on: Thu Apr 6 23:32:00 EDT 2000
  
  PS is a good singer, no doubt. But according to me, SJ and Chithra are just as good singers.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 204.120.54.1) on: Fri Apr 7 02:07:45 EDT 2000
  
  Aduthavanga postings-la kurai kandu pidichu, kindal panradhE sila pErukku (office) velaiyaa pOchu:)). Enakku eppOdhaan enga office-la internet access kodukkap pOraangaLO theriyalaiyE?
  
  
• From: Neel (@ ts006d16.har-ct.concentric.net) on: Sun Apr 9 19:36:11 EDT 2000
  
  Just waking this thread up. Karthi, you killed the fun.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 204.120.54.1) on: Sun Apr 9 21:15:24 EDT 2000
  
  oooopss! sorry....!!!
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ bacall08.slip.yorku.ca) on: Sun Apr 9 21:41:55 EDT 2000
  
  Neels,
  Fun?
  This is a sensitive issue here:-)).
  
  BTW, does anyone have any say on IR's bias towards SJ, or, his past bias towards SJ. I really have no clue about TFM in the 80's.
  
  
  
• From: Neel (@ ts001d41.har-ct.concentric.net) on: Sun Apr 9 21:57:11 EDT 2000
  
  karthi, you were right though.
  aruvi, I understand how passionately you admire Chitra. As for your question, I have read from some i-dont-know-if-they-are-reliable sources that PS and VJ did not respect IR when he was new in the industry and so he picked the humble SJ.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ flynn07.slip.yorku.ca) on: Sun Apr 9 23:01:07 EDT 2000
  
  But didn't he give some of his best songs to VJ. Or where those songs not by IR? Songs like 'meghame meghame', 'maligai enn mannan' and so on...
  
  The way I know it, IR wanted LRE to sing 'machaana paartheengala' song but she refused to sing because of I don't know what. All I know is that she didn't have respect for him because he was a newcomer...and so he chose SJ. But I don't believe PS could behave so...Maybe IR just didn't think he made songs good enough for PS's reputation??? HCIRF, NOM.
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sun Apr 9 23:16:52 EDT 2000
  
  meghame meghame is by SG and not IR. it was SG who gave really good ongs to VJ. I can say like about 5-7 songs that were really good ones for VJ with the music of IR.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ thing11.slip.yorku.ca) on: Sun Apr 9 23:33:42 EDT 2000
  
  Oh, sorry about the mistake.
  
  
• From: Neel (@ ts003d12.har-ct.concentric.net) on: Sun Apr 9 23:38:33 EDT 2000
  
  aruvi, you may be right about PS and IR. In an interview I saw she was so so humble and credited all her success to the MDs. She did sing one song in IR's first movie.
  
  
• From: Neel (@ ts003d12.har-ct.concentric.net) on: Sun Apr 9 23:45:51 EDT 2000
  
  VJ was the Diva of TF in the mid and late seventies. After IR dominated TFM and MSV and SG retired she disappeared.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.149) on: Mon Apr 10 01:42:04 EDT 2000
  
  `sondhamillai, bandhamillai', the melamcholoic cuckoo song in annakkili is sung by PS! There's no ego issue at all between PS & IR through out his career, IMO! In fact, IR's second biggest hit after `machchana' is `kEttELE ingE', sung by PS!
  
  This doesn't mean IR didn't have bias, though:-) His obvious 1st choice, for most songs, had been SJ, IMHO! If anything, the film's producer, director and others may have had some influence in his choice of other singers...like VJ in Sridhar's films (orE nAL unai nAn, nee kEttal, nAnE nAnA, en kalyANa vaibOgam etc.)
  
  IR himself has said once in an interview to Kumudam (quite old) that SJ tops when it comes to `vidvatvam' even though Latha's voice is sweeter..
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.149) on: Mon Apr 10 01:43:23 EDT 2000
  
  typo:
  it should read `melancholic'
  
  
• From: A.G.Kutty (@ cf2-real.isu.net.sa) on: Wed Apr 12 12:42:07 EDT 2000
  
  
  Aruvi,
  with respect to your posting that LRE did not have respect for IR since he was a newcomer and that is why he switched over to SJ, I feel, this possibly may be a version surfaced due to assessments and imaginations in the industry subsequently when you do not find a famous singer not singing under a famous director.(BTW,I am not ruling out such eventualities.)But if you look back , LRE was one of the busiest among the female singers between
  mid sixtees to mid 80s in all the four southern
  states . She worked with all type of MDs during this period,namely, famous, not famous,new and veterans .With a background of LRE stated as above, Do you feel that she would have taken such an attitude towards IR? Anyway, she was a pioneer for a specific and unique style of singing for certain type songs and during those days there were nobody to match her in those type of sings.
  This would have kept her too buzy as well.
  
  I am finding it difficult to identify whether there is any bias for any MD towards any singer in
  TFM scenerio.
  Well, when you talk of bias,in malayalam, it appeared readily apparent at one point of time that G.Devarajan was selecting only Madhuri for most of his songs.
  
  I am interested to know- where does the equation stand as far as KJY and ARR are concerned?
  
  
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ odo04.slip.yorku.ca) on: Wed Apr 12 20:43:30 EDT 2000
  
  A.G.Kutty
  
  I really don't know much about LRE. The reference to IR that I had given was based on some previous postings that I had seen on the forum. That is all.
  
  

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