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IR with MR again?!

Topic started by Vijay Venkatram J (@ 202.54.33.170) on Fri Jul 6 05:24:48 EDT 2001.
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Dear Friends,

Yesterday's Maalai Malar Cinema Malar (July 5, 2001) says that MR and IR are joining again as if it is a confirmed news and that the hero will be Surya. The same news was put up in www.tamilcinema.com too. What do you all think about the reality of this news?

Hope this becomes true!

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• From: Comments (@ ac8979df.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Jul 14 12:53:16 EDT 2001
  
  Agree with Bharath on MR's song picturization....
  
  IMO, he is the best in song picturization in TF. He is a trend setter. Even if the movie is not good, the songs are always done well. Can't believe someone finds fault with DilSe's chaiyya chaiyya!
  
  
  Shankar, though he did well in Kadhalan, is not in the same league as MR in this aspect.
  
  
• From: S T S (@ c1319060-a.stcla1.sfba.home.com) on: Sat Jul 14 13:08:40 EDT 2001
  
  nvd,
  
  MR is producing a movie, directed by his asst. Music is by Ranjit-Barrot. This news appeared somewhere.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ c1226412-a.flrmnd1.tx.home.com) on: Sat Jul 14 19:57:06 EDT 2001
  
  STS,
  
  I am sorry for being emotional! i really am! but i still have a suspicion that you delibrately said it to contradict me, for arguments sake rather than, you really believing it. Thats my honest intuition!
  
  I think the industry for cinematographers and editors and art direction has vastly improved bcoz of MR. He is certainly the pioneer in music video concept!
  
  I agree no one needs to neccesarily agree with my statement but if u generally say some against the run of events I wud assume you wud list something to substantiate what you say! but by just saying a statement and not caring to defend it or substantiate it is a sort of management psycology that I am so familiar with and upset about!
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sun Jul 15 03:57:40 EDT 2001
  
  Comment, Bharath....
  
  I beg to differ here..MR is a pioneer of urban quality in TFM song picturizations...music video style picturizations - Shankar is the real pioneer right from "Chiku Bukku Raiyile" days !
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sun Jul 15 05:35:11 EDT 2001
  
  Wait...I remembered "Agni Natchathiram"...Prabhu Deva's debut as a choreographer in the "Raja Rajathi" number is an adaptation of Thriller and Beat it music videos...so you guys are right there..Mani is the pioneer.
  
  
• From: S T S (@ c1319060-a.stcla1.sfba.home.com) on: Sun Jul 15 22:21:57 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  To me 'quite natural' should be like 'Paruvame puthiya paadal.', Chiraisaalai (songs like that).Pls see my posting for why I did not like Raakammaa picturization. In case of Chaiya, song was picturized well but I could not digest that female dancer.
  
  If adaptation means pioneer, then I have no comments.I think the industry for cinematographers and editors and art direction has vastly improved bcoz of MR Hmmm. I don't see any logic here.
  MR certainly brought good photography, crisp dialogs etc., I repeat what I said. I say what I believe in. Thats all. Ok. I stop here. No more posting here till we have a confirmed news on this.
  
  
• From: S.P MAHENDRAN (@ 161.139.38.226) on: Sun Jul 15 23:50:41 EDT 2001
  
  MR must know to respect IR.IR is the main main in MR success.If IR do not score music to MR then we do not know who this guy is.So,MR must be greatfull to IR.But MR is ungreatfull to IR.I really do not like MR,Brathiraja and Balachander to join with IR again.Nanri marapavarkal.IR is always the best and there is nobody can beat hime in music Industries except God.The one and only guy which is more genius then IR is the god.Okey.....Bye guys.Long Life To Maestro Illaiyaraja...........!!!!!!
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sun Jul 15 23:59:20 EDT 2001
  
  STS..."pioneer" here it means in the Tamil/Indian film world ! Since we are already adapting western technology and systems..it is only natural that we repeat their sucess stories !
  
  
• From: eden (@ dialpool-210-214-5-217.maa.sify.net) on: Mon Jul 16 00:51:38 EDT 2001
  
  bharath!
  Which Thamizh album sold 1 crore pieces(10 million)? Can you give proof (published company data)? Simply don't blabber with big numbers!
  
  
• From: eden (@ dialpool-210-214-5-217.maa.sify.net) on: Mon Jul 16 01:30:33 EDT 2001
  
  & if you think I don't know how people count what to say? What I was referring was cassettes with `hand written labels' which none of your magnasounds are even aware of:-) and probably no one in the industry can count.
  
  That's something like counting how many machines in India use Windows 95 & how many Win 98. While there's no question that Windows is the OS used in most machines (>90% in India), who can correctly say the numbers? With so much of assembled machines pre-loaded without any license, any attempt to count will be futile. Similarly any figure that Microsoft gives for Office 97 sales would be far too small than the actual usage.
  
  If firming up numbers on a more sophisticated product (typically used by professionals / establishments) itself is tough (esp.in India), there can't be any correct estimate to count the cassette sales / recordings / how many times it's being played on streets daily / how many people hear it daily etc. So there's really no method to literally `count' a hit song is all what I was trying to tell:-))
  
  Having told so much, my personal definition to declare a song `hit':
  
  On any particular day, without my conscious effort if I am made to listen to a song more than once, I can call it popular. If on many consecutive days this happens, then it's a hit! This may be in marriage halls, public functions that are unrelated to cinema, hotels/tea shops, busses, nEyar viruppam on radio stations, viewer's choice on TV channels, nEyar viruppam on light music programs, marriage nAdhaswaram /band playing that song etc.
  
  This definition excludes sales promotion on channels, cassette shops etc. Any gossips on rediffs / kumudhams DO NOT COUNT and certainly no sales number games by the audio companies!
  
  I hope my definition is very objective to determine popular opinion in the TFM context. By the above defintion, `uyirE' is a big hit `while en swAsakAtRE' is not (though it had sold a lot of cassettes, purely based on expectations). Often songs would have been hits for non-musical reasons (hit movie, big names like Rajini etc.) but that's the state of affairs and I don't complain.
  
  A hit is a hit whether I like that piece or not. I don't have to become desparate for that since there are better things to do in life:-)) While it's true that IR had given a lot of hits (in fact LOTS OF THEM), my preference to listen to his music is for reasons different from that. You'd be surprised that many songs I cherish were never that much popular at all:-))
  
  
• From: eden (@ dialpool-210-214-5-240.maa.sify.net) on: Mon Jul 16 05:44:39 EDT 2001
  
  If making movie prints is as cheap as making audio cassettes (say all the movie theaters in TN start using mega size V-CD projectors and not conventional ones using positive rolls), producer of any movie will make as many prints as the no. of theaters and need to screen for just a week in all or most of the theaters. I'm 100% sure most of the halls will be `house full' for a Rajini film and the movie will gross maximum collection (even Pandiyan will run for a week :-)), much like the way audio shops promote hyped albums today. Perhaps then the definition of `hit movie' also will change, based on who can advertise more, book more theaters and make more copies and distribute. Numbers yar!
  
  So much for the consideration to popular opinion (in declaring something a `hit'!)
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Mon Jul 16 12:04:59 EDT 2001
  
  //"Which Thamizh album sold 1 crore pieces(10 million)? Can you give proof (published company data)? Simply don't blabber with big numbers"//
  
  pls read my posting! i gave the name of the album and the source!
  
  another evidence that u didnt read my posting at all
  
  //"pirated cassattes r a bane everywhere and its the same for all and dont accnt for much of the sales. plus its been banned reasonably "//
  
  is what i posted b4! and thats should simply account for the firs three paragraphs of your recent posting.
  
  again i will painfully go over ur definition of hit! when u hear a song and want to hear it again and again. you cant keep on attending marraiges to get to listen to that song. u have to buy the cassatte and this applies to every tamilian . and now do i have to spell out the relation between sales #'s and hit.
  
  
  thanx for the pandian example. the movie ran for 5 weeks. inspite of rajinikanth and all the hype and ho ho KR/IR's music! which shows the ppl will reject products inspite of hype.
  
  The theatre owners have to give a % of movie collections to the distributor as rent for the movie reel or +ve or whatever u call. so its no money out of their pocket. running the pandian movie in all theatres wud make lesser profit than in just 5 theatres!
  
  //even Pandiyan will run for a week :-)), "//
  
  it will not! if its released in all theatres in madras! the people who go to watch it will be approx the same! the people spread over 5 weeks will just see it in the first week itself!
  
  
• From: S T S (@ c1319060-a.stcla1.sfba.home.com) on: Mon Jul 16 23:36:25 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  
  inspite of rajinikanth and all the hype and ho ho KR/IR's music We can apply this logic to any film with songs. I am not sure why you make it a point to bring IR/KR all the times. Do you a remember a film named Iruvar. And I hope you remember the Director and MD. Do you want few more examples?
  
  
• From: Nakayama (@ macnica-fcm.macnica.co.jp) on: Tue Jul 17 00:29:56 EDT 2001
  
  Rakshakudu ( telugu and tamil ) ( utter... flop ).
  In Telugu the two films ARR composed r
  the super duper flops Telugu film industry never faced.
  Dilsee ( it ran 10 days in Blore with great difficulty )
  Daud ( lifted in first week )
  Kadal desam ( lifted in first week )
  Iddaru ( telugu.. ( tamil iruvar) ) { 2nd day no one is there to see } in AP.
  
  Dont think that film is flop bcause of music.
  
  Telugu film : Chaitanya ( Nagarjuna film ) is the
  worst film with a brilliant music by IR.
  U can find this casettee in almost all the shops
  even today.
  
  
• From: eden (@ dialpool-210-214-5-222.maa.sify.net) on: Tue Jul 17 00:57:52 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  Magnasounds "thiruda thiruda" is still the largest sold tfm album. It was estimated as close to 10 mil even b4 the movie was released. "cinema express" and "india today" released those #'s and specifically mentioned them as beating "agni natchathram" which prev held the record. is what your post says which I've definitely read. This is what one calls a typical blabber and no one can buy this as a proof. This is something like telling Kaundamani got paid 1 crore for such and such movie as reported in such and such magazine:-)) Where are the company published data or data from any statistical agency? What's the authenticity is all that I questioned!
  
  plus its been banned reasonably ha!ha! Where do you live by the way? Have you ever visited small towns of TN? So much for your knowledge about what's happening in TN:-)))
  
  And I can conclusively tell that you've not understood anything of my illustration with respect to movie prints. We are obviously talking different languages and there may not be any meeting point. I stop here, and all the best to you:-))
  
  

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