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Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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Hindi Raaga of Songs Thread

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• From: Angeli (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Wed Jun 13 04:52:16 EDT 2001
  
  IR: I am only quoting what Carnatic singer SOWMYA said on Sapthaswarangal about Thendral Vandhu Ennai Thodum. I had a quick play on the keyboard and it is not quite Hamsanadham, as I has also previously thought. I will try and take more notice of the swaras. Please try this out yourself on a keyboard if you can. I do agree that Isayil Thodanguma is in Hamsanadham. Sorgame also takes a few accidentals.
  
  However, I cannot also say if it is exactly Suddha Sarang, as I do not know this Raga. Also, I don't have an MP3 player, hence cannot listen to your link.
  
  I also will re-watch the programme and see if she said SARANGA THARANGINI or Suddha Sarang..... I think both have the usage of both Madhyamams, like Saranga.
  
  
• From: Angeli (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Wed Jun 13 04:56:05 EDT 2001
  
  rams:
  
  Revathi can also be taken as a Janya of Chakravakham(Aahir Bhairavhi). In fact the song in Salangai Oli can be termed as the Hindustani version of Revathi, known as SOHINI.
  
  The normal convention of Janyas off Melas is the first Mela they hit with that combination of notes.
  
  
• From: Angeli (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Wed Jun 13 04:57:57 EDT 2001
  
  rams: IR has said the same thing. Sorry, I didn't read it as it was in italics....
  
  
• From: Angeli (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Wed Jun 13 05:00:35 EDT 2001
  
  IR:
  
  I remember the Rediff chat by ARR. Someone had asked him about combining Saraswathi and Hamir Kalyani and he didn't dispute it, however said that the Ragas has a lot in common.....
  
  Also we have this same controversy for the Iravum Nilavum song in Karnan.....
  
  Check this link
  http://members.nbci.com/rgireesan/
  Under other members classical.
  
  
• From: Angeli (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Wed Jun 13 07:55:59 EDT 2001
  
  IR: This is the website with the chat with ARR.
  
  http://www.rediff.com/chat/rahmchat.htm
  
  Happy reading
  
  
• From: IR (@ ) on: Wed Jun 13 14:06:06 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks for the explanation and links Angeli :-)
  
  It is very difficult to classify a cine song under a raga like Yaman/Hameer/Shudhdha Saarang for example. They do not strictly follow the varja/vakra patterns unlike a carnatic composition. But it is fairly easy to say that the song has traces of those ragas!
  
  Going by that, thendral vandhu ennai thodum seems to be more hamsanadhamish than any of these other ragas...
  
  would love to hear from you regarding the "non-hamsanadham" or Sudhdha Saarang phrases in that song :-)
  
  Thanks..
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed Jun 13 17:18:39 EDT 2001
  
  Hi,
  
  wanted to post this... this is an excellent read up for new folks who have heard tamil music but want to know more abt their karnautic back ground.... without harping too much on anything thats technical this author has presented "karnautic music for dummies" thats really interesting so plz try and read
  
  http://www.eelab.newpaltz.edu/~venkat95/audio.html
  
  
• From: Angeli (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Thu Jun 14 05:44:01 EDT 2001
  
  OK IR. I shall do some digging around, as I don't remember the sequence of notes that contradicted my initial thinking for the Thendral Vandhu song(by the way, it is one of my very favourite IR numbers). I will try and catch that Sapthaswaram as well.....
  
  
  
• From: IR (@ 63.214.98.130) on: Thu Jun 14 07:46:10 EDT 2001
  
  thanks and ur efforts are much appreciated Angeli :-)
  
  
• From: rams (@ 172.182.68.122) on: Fri Jun 15 02:17:53 EDT 2001
  
  IR and Angeli
  Thanks for clarifying my doubt on janya raaga classification.
  I agree that revathi even though could be considered janya of natakapriya,chakravaham and many others,hanumathodi would be the parent because it comes first in the melakartha scale.
  Angeli,
  You had mentioned that sohini is the hindustani equivalent of revathi.Correct me if I am wrong,Is Sohini not an equivalent of Hamsanandhi(janya of 53rd mela)?
  
  
• From: Angeli (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Fri Jun 15 04:38:27 EDT 2001
  
  rams: Indeed you are right. Sorry about that. Sohini is Hindustani Hamsanandhi.... I got it mixed up in the Hamsanadham/Hamsandhi confusion....
  
  Hamsanandi is also known as Pooria in it's Hindustani version.
  
  Revathi is Vibhavari in it's Hindustani version.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Fri Jun 15 10:46:03 EDT 2001
  
  But vibhaavari in carnatic is different I guess. In mallu, there is a beautiful song called "vibhaavari raagam vidarnnoree yaamam nilaavu pOl prEmam niranjuvO naaNam" - I heard this song was indeed in raga vibhaavari. can somebody clarfiy the aaro/avaro of vibhavari ?
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ 192.35.232.99) on: Fri Jun 15 12:42:18 EDT 2001
  
  I think I had posted this once before, not sure.
  
  vibhAvari is a pentatonic raga having the same musical notes as Revathi. But n2 is replaced by d3.
  
  s r1 m1 p d3 s+, s+ d3 p m1 r1 s.
  
  here, AbsoluteNote(n2) = AbsoluteNote(d3)
  
  This I remember from Dr. S Bhagyalekshmy's book. I will check with Ragapravaham also. There may be other A/a.
  
  MS: I have heard the malayalam song Vibhavari raga... long before, did it really sound like revathi? May be gotta listen again..
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Sat Jun 16 17:12:16 EDT 2001
  
  No Vasu - that song has NO similarity with Revathi. IF what you say is true about Vibhaavari (Carnatic), that song is definitely not in it.
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 63.61.179.249) on: Sun Jun 17 17:18:37 EDT 2001
  
  Can anyone tell me what Raaga is "meenama" from the movie "Aasai" is?
  thanks
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ 192.35.232.99) on: Tue Jun 19 11:33:23 EDT 2001
  
  I confirmed with Ragapravaham too, Vibhaavari is listed as only the janya of tAnarupi (mela 6) which places it as mentioned before.
  
  
• From: Angeli (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Tue Jun 19 14:05:29 EDT 2001
  
  I am confused - I read that Hindustani Raga Vibhaavari = Carnatic Raga Lasaki, hence, is Lasaki another name for Revathi(which is also known in Hindustani music as Bairaagi-Bhairav)?
  
  Vasu, pls. could you check in Raga Pravaham, as my copy of this indispensible book is not with me at present. Cheers.
  
  
• From: IaiPriyan (@ 164.164.86.86) on: Tue Jun 19 23:30:17 EDT 2001
  
  Hi folks,
  
  Just got a confusion.. How to distinguish between Kanada and Dharbar Kanada ? Can someone explain this with an example.
  
  Similarly, how to differentiate between Kalyani and Hameer Kalyani ? I am told that Nee Oru Kaadhal Sangeetham from Nayakan is Hameer Kalyani. But the charanam sequence almost resembles Amma Endru Azhaikkadha from Mannan (which is Kalyani).
  
  Music gurus... Help please !!
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.15.20) on: Wed Jun 20 03:00:20 EDT 2001
  
  Isai Priyan,
  
  The striking difference betn. Kaanadaa and Darbaari Kaanadaa is that the former has D2 and the latter has D1.
  Eg.:the starting of the Anupallavi in Alaipaayude-
  Nilaipeyaraadu-the swaraas go this way-G M D N SA SA.The DA here is D2.
  In "Kaatre" from Rhythm-
  The beginning of the 1st/2nd stanza-the very starting swaram is D1.Another eg. for Darbaari Kaanada is "Malare" from Karna.
  And usually,D.K has a more "Hindustani" touch-since it is of Hindustani origin.
  Hameer Kalyani has both M1 and M2 .Kalyani very obviously has only M2.
  And "nee oru..."
  is Hameer kalyani coz even the charanam(as you mentioned)does have both M1 and M2.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Wed Jun 20 12:43:41 EDT 2001
  
  Isaipriyan:
  
  u may want to dig in the archives for the question on kalyani. It was raised by me and answered by IR in detail.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Wed Jun 20 13:01:31 EDT 2001
  
  Some darbaar kaanada (saayal) songs will be
  
  (1) Devan kE pathi Indra - Swaathi thirunaaL (Mallu)
  
  (2) Ponnil KuLichchu ninnu chandrikaa vasantham - Sallaapam (Mallu)
  
  (3) aagaya vENNilaavE - arangEtra vELai
  
  (4) jiyaa jale - staring - dil se
  
  I think there is already a murmur that I am throwing a lot of mallu stuffs in TFM page :-)
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ 192.35.232.99) on: Wed Jun 20 15:41:40 EDT 2001
  
  Angeli:
  I will look into Ragapravaham today for Lasaki - Revathi.
  
  I remember Dr.B's book saying Carnatic Vibhaavari is equal to Hindustani Revathi.
  
  MS:
  You dont have to feel guilty about that :-). I listen to lot of malayalam songs too and personally I feel they are more strictly classically tuned (may be im listening only to classical ones...). So the end result is it helps identifying ragas better...
  
  
• From: Gayathri (@ 64.26.201.192) on: Wed Jun 20 17:28:36 EDT 2001
  
  Vasu,
  Can you please differentiate Begada and Hameer Kalyani. Thanks.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Wed Jun 20 18:54:27 EDT 2001
  
  Gayathri - i think u want to say Begada and Hameer Kalyani.. dont' u?? :-)
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Wed Jun 20 18:54:43 EDT 2001
  
  Gayathri - i think u want to say Behag and Hameer Kalyani.. dont' u?? :-)
  
  
• From: Angeli (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Thu Jun 21 04:56:58 EDT 2001
  
  Murali S: Jiyaa Jale (Nenjinile) from Dil Se(Uyire) - this is in NATABAIRAVHI, compare with Ravi Shankar's Tarana(Nadhru Dhani Thomthudhani Thakka Nutha Jham Tham Na dhru tha dheem..... something like that) from his Minor Ragas CD. There is no Dharbari Kanada in this song....as far as I can hear.
  
  
  
• From: Angeli (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Thu Jun 21 05:08:48 EDT 2001
  
  Vasu: Many Thanks. I am now getting more confused, about your quote:
  
  "Dr.B's book saying Carnatic Vibhaavari is equal to Hindustani Revathi."
  
  Who is Dr.B?
  
  I was under the impression that Carnatic Revathi(S R M P N S | S N P M R S) equals Hindustani Raga Vibhavari (from or Thaat 9 - Marwa -Carnatic Gamanasrama)....HELP!
  
  Carnatic Revathi is also known as Bairagi Bhairav in Hindustani Music (coming from Thaat 4 - Ahir Bairav - Carnatic Chakravakham)
  
  As far as I can see, the notes S R M P N S | S N P M R S remain the same form both Thaats 4 and 9, unless Bairagi Bhairav and Vibhavari have a slight micro-tonal difference!
  
  

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