Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Fri Dec 4 01:26:45 EST 1998.
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hi,
today's dinakaran has this info.
IR gets Lathamankeshkar award given by MP state govt.
http://www.dinakaran.com/daily/12041998/cinema/award.html
Any idea about this award & other persons who got this award ???
NagasubramaniaN
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- From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Tue Apr 3 16:22:45 EDT 2001
IR got LM award.
Folks:
Is it good or bad ?
- From: UVII (@ 166.90.248.158)
on: Tue Apr 3 16:26:42 EDT 2001
good for MP govt. award(named after LM).
- From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.236)
on: Tue Apr 3 16:27:26 EDT 2001
Trend:
I am letting my guard down just this once and taking your post at face value. That statement of mine has smileys plastered all over it, which indicates that it is does not intend any malice. If at all, I could be accused of apathy, not antipathy. Moreover, it does not refer to ARR in any way so, I fail to see what your problem is.
arul:
what happened to those days of biting sarcasm?
Grew older, I guess :-), and wiser, I hope ;-)
- From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10)
on: Tue Apr 3 16:29:16 EDT 2001
:-)))
- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227)
on: Tue Apr 3 16:32:43 EDT 2001
Srinath,
Look at these postings
"Perhaps LV is claiming that all the MDs that he mentioned, put together are as good as IR "
"Moreover, it does not refer to ARR in any way"
We know clearly that LV has mentioned ARR in his postings.Please read thro to make sure.
I also have a problem if it indirectly references MSV for whose music I have great reverence.
- From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.231)
on: Tue Apr 3 16:53:56 EDT 2001
Trend:
I would love this digression to stop at some point. But since you insist on taking offence due to some imaginary grievances, I guess the discussion is going end before the digressions.
If I make an explicit statement in this thread, asserting my preference for IR's music over ARR's, I would be as guilty as you in helping perpetuate the digression. The indirect references that you saw never existed until your own mind created them. No, I will not issue a statement excluding ARR or MSV out of my comments because you seem to be the only one (unless you've instigated someone else as well) who sees them in my comments. If anything, I should expect another apology from you for attributing references to me that I never made in the first place.
- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227)
on: Tue Apr 3 16:59:04 EDT 2001
Srinath,
"I would love this digression to stop at some point"
I'll help you with that.It was my mind that created them if you didn't.
"If anything, I should expect another apology from you for attributing references to me that I never made in the first place."
Here it is.I'm sorry.OK.
I'm waving my white flag for today(Time to go home).
- From: LV (@ 203.197.82.127)
on: Tue Apr 3 22:57:13 EDT 2001
From LV,
Well,well - you people are trying to overwhelm me completely. But in vain, so sorry. But, I'm amused - really amused.
Well suresh,srinath: I meant that Shankar Jaikishan,Salil C, Roshan, C Ramchandra, MM, RDB, SDB, Chitragupt,
MSV, ARR are EACH as good as IR is. They have got as much recognition as IR has got, and will continue to be honoured by stalwart and layman alike, whether you like it or not.
Of course, most people like you haven't heard somebody else's music at all, so you can continue to be as ignorant as you still are. If in any case, you want to see a list of the things IR has copied, you may go to the 'Copied songs section' of this page.
AruLaracan,
Please show me at least one Salil C song that was a direct lift from something.
Another thing: an entire list of Madan Mohan songs has been copied down South. This list includes 'rasme Ulfat','Naina barse..','Woh chup rahen to ... ', 'Haal-e-dil yun unhe...','Yun hasraton ke dagh...'. Even RDB's songs like 'Raina beeti jaaye..','Meri zindagi hai kya...','Naam gum jaayega...' etc have been copied by MDs from TFM (telugu and tamil !!!)
e-hari
I'm amused by your RDB bashing. I dont like the music of Sholay. But 'Piyaa tu ab to..','Aao na gale lagalo naa...' ,'Mujhe taare la ke do...',
etc show RDB's tremendous ingenuity as a cabaret-composer. Dont forget the songs of Teesri Manzil.
IR cannot even dream of composing something anywhere close to this, so forget sth. better.
At the same time, RDB has given beautiful ghazals in Ijaazat, and Dil Padosi Hai. His experiments with Boy George are lovely. His use of classical in several songs shows his ability in the filed of light classical too. He himself was an expert sarod player. And dont forget the songs of Love STory 1942. So the statement : 'He was at his peak for only 4 years' is a sweet and convenient misconception, since you are so desperately struggling to prove your point. And listen to RDb's first song 'Ghar aaja ghir aaye' before starting your 'bla-bla'.
UVII,
I've heard a lot of Italian music. I've attended concerts of Placido Domingo. In fact so much of Italian music is played at our church in B'bay. Can you tell me which Shankar Jaikishan song you were reminded of??
And guys, there is a long IR list. But other Mds have their own lists as well, which are as good.
LM has all the right to feel that Salil C is the best. Asha feel same about RDB. This opinion is totally subjective. That IR is the best, is your own personal opinion. Not any 'golden rule' or any 'inscription on stone'.
IR himself has accepted the award. IN fact, thats where it has all ended. So dear IR guradians, this is all in vain. But if you are so frustrated, you may continue and write page and pages.
But IR is but a drop in the ocean of music, along with several others who are on par with him, some beyond him.
As far as the statement ' LM a drop in the ocean called IR'. Thats absurd. LM has worked wonders with far too many other people. If IR was anywhere as talented as ( there is just no question of him being more talented than LM) he would have got a fraction of the popularity that she has.
One more thing: I know you are pretty perturbed that ARR has made it so big down south as well as in the north, and that too in so short a while. I know, I know its pretty distressing when other people are being given more important than your favourite artist. But I would advise you too listen to the mediocre music of 'Hey Raam' before continuing.
- From: LV (@ 203.197.82.127)
on: Tue Apr 3 22:57:20 EDT 2001
From LV,
Well,well - you people are trying to overwhelm me completely. But in vain, so sorry. But, I'm amused - really amused.
Well suresh,srinath: I meant that Shankar Jaikishan,Salil C, Roshan, C Ramchandra, MM, RDB, SDB, Chitragupt,
MSV, ARR are EACH as good as IR is. They have got as much recognition as IR has got, and will continue to be honoured by stalwart and layman alike, whether you like it or not.
Of course, most people like you haven't heard somebody else's music at all, so you can continue to be as ignorant as you still are. If in any case, you want to see a list of the things IR has copied, you may go to the 'Copied songs section' of this page.
AruLaracan,
Please show me at least one Salil C song that was a direct lift from something.
Another thing: an entire list of Madan Mohan songs has been copied down South. This list includes 'rasme Ulfat','Naina barse..','Woh chup rahen to ... ', 'Haal-e-dil yun unhe...','Yun hasraton ke dagh...'. Even RDB's songs like 'Raina beeti jaaye..','Meri zindagi hai kya...','Naam gum jaayega...' etc have been copied by MDs from TFM (telugu and tamil !!!)
e-hari
I'm amused by your RDB bashing. I dont like the music of Sholay. But 'Piyaa tu ab to..','Aao na gale lagalo naa...' ,'Mujhe taare la ke do...',
etc show RDB's tremendous ingenuity as a cabaret-composer. Dont forget the songs of Teesri Manzil.
IR cannot even dream of composing something anywhere close to this, so forget sth. better.
At the same time, RDB has given beautiful ghazals in Ijaazat, and Dil Padosi Hai. His experiments with Boy George are lovely. His use of classical in several songs shows his ability in the filed of light classical too. He himself was an expert sarod player. And dont forget the songs of Love STory 1942. So the statement : 'He was at his peak for only 4 years' is a sweet and convenient misconception, since you are so desperately struggling to prove your point. And listen to RDb's first song 'Ghar aaja ghir aaye' before starting your 'bla-bla'.
UVII,
I've heard a lot of Italian music. I've attended concerts of Placido Domingo. In fact so much of Italian music is played at our church in B'bay. Can you tell me which Shankar Jaikishan song you were reminded of??
And guys, there is a long IR list. But other Mds have their own lists as well, which are as good.
LM has all the right to feel that Salil C is the best. Asha feel same about RDB. This opinion is totally subjective. That IR is the best, is your own personal opinion. Not any 'golden rule' or any 'inscription on stone'.
IR himself has accepted the award. IN fact, thats where it has all ended. So dear IR guradians, this is all in vain. But if you are so frustrated, you may continue and write page and pages.
But IR is but a drop in the ocean of music, along with several others who are on par with him, some beyond him.
As far as the statement ' LM a drop in the ocean called IR'. Thats absurd. LM has worked wonders with far too many other people. If IR was anywhere as talented as ( there is just no question of him being more talented than LM) he would have got a fraction of the popularity that she has.
One more thing: I know you are pretty perturbed that ARR has made it so big down south as well as in the north, and that too in so short a while. I know, I know its pretty distressing when other people are being given more important than your favourite artist. But I would advise you too listen to the mediocre music of 'Hey Raam' before continuing.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Tue Apr 3 23:18:06 EDT 2001
Please show me at least one Salil C song that was a direct lift from something.
LV - the answer for your search lies here:
http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~subraman/cgi-bin/art.cgi?182
"His music was a blend of the western classical (he grew up on
Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart, and a bit of Chopin), folk ditties,
and a smattering of the Indian classical. Yet, except for
straight adaptations like "Itana na mujhse tu pyar badha"
(Chhaya) culled from Mozart's 41st* symphony or "Raaton ke saaye
ghane" (Annadata) culled from Chopin, Salil Choudhury rarely let
his influences show."
I am one among those who hold salil da in high esteem. But he too has his share of inspirations.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Tue Apr 3 23:58:21 EDT 2001
LV:
Another disturbing point u have put through: Of course, most people like you haven't heard somebody else's music at all, so you can continue to be as ignorant as you still are. If in any case, you want to see a list of the things IR has copied, you may go to the 'Copied songs section' of this page
FYI:
(1) The list of songs in copied songs section is primarily devoted to referring to the one copied by tamil MDs rather than from them. SO u may not find info about the copies of Hindi MDs. U may have to go to an appropriate site.
(2) Try to make a list of all the songs IR has copied from that page. u will end up not even with 10 full songs.
(3) Many hindi songs had been copied left and right down south - very true. Now it is otherwise. There were 11 versions of mukkabula before Gentleman officially was remade. And composers like Anand - Milind literally have sailed on IR's tunes for years. So this does not make much sense. And do you know whether IR or MSV copied these songs ? NO. IT was always the second tier MDs who did this recycle. And if you are going to pull the second tier MDs to compare Maestros like MAdan mohan, MSV etc.., I may be compelled to ignore them as irrelevant.
(4) RDB is one of the inpirations of IR as IR himself admits. There were times when young IR and SPB have had sessions over "single tea".
E.Hari - I agree with LV upto an extent. RDB seems to be the most versatile MD HFM had seen till date. Try listening to :
(1) Re man sur mein gaa - manna dey /AB
(2) jimmy jimmy jimmy - AB
(3) sanam teri kasam
(4) oh jaana..oh meri jaana..
(5) phoo*lon ki rang se
(6) tum ne muje..dhekha ho kar meharbaan
(7) aise na muje tum dhekho
in succession. U cannot stop yourself from appreciating RDB.
(5) And for all those who frown on IR having been thrusted with the award, FYI, RDB has received the same award. RDB was a predecessor of IR - believe me, IR admits it.
(6) Hey Ram's music was mediocre and it is because u said so ? I guess u need to eat your words - "incription on stone" if you are going to make such a well rooted statement which counters your early assertions. No wonder National awards go to "talented" artists like Anu malik.
(7)LM has worked wonders with far too many other people. If IR was anywhere as talented as ( there is just no question of him being more talented than LM) he would have got a fraction of the popularity that she has
and somebody said..thayir saadham is better than a T-shirt.
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