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Is ARR Running out of Stuff?

Topic started by Ramesh Vaidhyanathan (@ gengw.gensym.com) on Fri Mar 13 15:14:51 EST 1998.
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I listened to VandeMatharam in which ARR recycled his own tunes from Kizhakku Ceemayile and a touch of a song from Indira.
Also ARR's recent movies for big time producers like Ratchagan and Iruvar (except one song) and Dhoud in Hindi did not have any notable music. Remember ARRs last hit Minsarak Kanavu music was done long time ago.

If for a major album for Sony released on 50th year of Indian Independence, ARR cannot produce original music, then I have to come to the conclusion that he is running out of stuff. I heard that ARR is planning to cut down on movies and concentrate more on albums. Thus he will have to produce less and earn more.

Right now I do not see any difference in the quality of music produced by ARR and Karthik Raja. In fact I think Deva is doing a better job of providing consistant good quality music.

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• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Mar 19 16:50:21 EST 1999
  
  BB: That was refuted, too. I 'll get the relevant post there . But lets keep off this thread for that purpose. Guys, go ahead with ARR's stuff here ...
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Fri Mar 19 17:05:50 EST 1999
  
  Raj and Mr.kuzhapam,
  
  Both of you seem to get deeply muddled in some trivialities that the core-essence of the discussion gets buried and lost.. . We could have a separate thread on Raj Vs kuzhapam where the personalities of each and whos smart and whos not can be discussed.... :)
  
  Lets argue on issues rather than on personalities who are throwing the issues!! And the issue in this thread is about ARR and his lifts/inspirations/marvels whatever!!
  
  
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Mar 19 17:15:43 EST 1999
  
  Ah! Chandy! If I reply to you ,that would be only deepening the digression, so I desist but suffice to say that your conclusion is not fair on me...I took pains to foreclose discussions on smartness etc. So, your sweeping conclusion disappoints me.
  The issue in this thread is
  1.Whether ARR has any stuff left. That is , do his latest albums offer any evidence of creativity. What with ESK havong been flogged to death, there has been no new development in that direction. Naturally, digressions occurred. So, what is the esence that got lost? Nothing. When a new ARR album gets released, lets reassemble and discuss. Till then either this thread should be disabled or dhjksfl should continue here..I would prefer the latter:)
  
  
• From: latchiya vengay (Raj)in Rasigan (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Fri Mar 19 17:49:42 EST 1999
  
  Raj,
  
  Unga latchiyathil (?!) urudhiyaa irukkeenga pola irukku?:-
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ pbhagwat-isdn1.cisco.com) on: Fri Mar 19 22:45:29 EST 1999
  
  Some news for people awaiting next ARR album,
  
  Padayappa casette will be released on 27th of this month. I read it in a telugu newspaper (velugu). The telugu version is named Narasimha.
  
  What's the fate of Kadhalar Dhinam. Will be it be released atleast on the valentine's day of Y2k.
  
  --srikanth
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Sat Mar 20 09:39:55 EST 1999
  
  SM: Naane vendaam podhumnu odhungina kooda, ARR-Fan , Kuzhappam maadiripattavanga tickle me so much that I am forced to share my laughter:)
  I simply love kuzhappam and his posts ...they 'inspire' me like nothing else(especially my work) does..:)
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Thu Mar 25 10:58:06 EST 1999
  
  ARR is definetly running out of stuff as is evidenced by his JODI. Almost all the songs are mediocre and does not sound like it came from the No #1 MD of the country (as claimed by many ARR fans like Kuzhapam ).
  
  
• From: SitaRam (@ portal.ameritech.com) on: Fri Mar 26 10:55:45 EST 1999
  
  I want ARR to run out from this stuffy country, that is Maha Bharath. He will be great in Dubai with a 50,000 audience clamoring to dance to one Mustafa, Mustafa song.
  
  
• From: F_of_arr_bashers (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Sat Mar 27 05:53:48 EST 1999
  
  Q:IS arr RUNNING OUT OF STUFF??
  
  A:refer padayappa songs.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Sat Mar 27 06:32:26 EST 1999
  
  F_of_arr_bashers: Have you heard all of the Padayappa songs? If so, please give us a review....
  
  
• From: bb (@ compq1.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Mon Mar 29 01:27:45 EST 1999
  
  geetha: though i am tempted to bash ARR for his terrible padaiyappa songs, i wouldn't go as far. first of all, i listened to the songs in vels' site, and needless to say, i am hugely disappointed. but, i wouldn't want to add fuel to fire by putting this under 'is ARR running out of stuff' thread. the main reasons are as follows:
  1. this is not a ARR film. the music is not what he dictates. he is forced by the limitations of a rajini starrer. this is all too much discussed and thrashed out in various threads here.
  2. the film doesn't have a potential for ARR to show his stuff. given VM's banal lyrics (MS says it is like writing imposition:-) ) to suit the mega star, one couldn't expect a high quality stuff. ARR is NOT known for his variety and adaptiveness. his ventures into other fields are few and far between and have not been successful. his trying out of urumi, for example, isn't that good at all in padaiyappaa.
  3. needless to say, the songs will soon 'grow' on the super star crazy audience, be pumped in from all directions on all the satellite televisions, and will acquire a wholly different perspective later.
  still, i am disappointed of his rehashing all well-known songs and pieces (including his earlier ad:-) ) for his songs. i don't know whether it is due to real audio or not, even SPB sounds jaded and old in the en peru padaiappa song. VM hasn't tried at all, which is another disappointment. of course, the magical name of the super * will be enough to erase all these negative points.
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Mon Mar 29 17:21:57 EST 1999
  
  I agree with bb, i was quite disappointed to hear padaiappa songs. they were typical rajni movie numbers... Ta-ta-ta-taan types! Theres nothing ARR-ish about the album, any tom-harry could have done those scores with ease! vel hasnt put up that nityasri number when i visited his site. Hope thats a good number!
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ spider-wb012.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Mar 30 23:34:08 EST 1999
  
  I was perplexed by the conspicuously absent critics on the song 'kAthal kaditham' from the film movie Jodi in the new albums review . The tune of pallavi in that song is an incredible melody. The preluding humming by SJ before pallavi is a real treat and her voice all through the song is as youthful as her good old vintage years. Unni menon sounds a good match for SJ with his calculated expressions and reminds me of KJY at few places with his soft base voice and with nasal touches at some places. The first interlude with flute and SJ humming and the second interlude violins reminded me those good old 80's of Raja. The lyrics by VM is worth mentioning 'kAthal kaditham pEsavE mEgam ellAm kAgitham vANin neelam konduvA pEnA maiyO theernthidum chandiranum sooriyanum anjal kArargaL iravu pagal eppozhuthum anjal unnai chErnthidum".
  
  
• From: padayappa (@ proxye.emirates.net.ae) on: Wed Mar 31 02:04:47 EST 1999
  
  chandy:
  
  if padayappa sounds rajnish
  doesnt tell us something about arr?
  it shows he could deliver according to situations
  
  
• From: padayAthA (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Wed Mar 31 04:26:48 EST 1999
  
  Junior,
  nalla joke. Please continue :-))
  
  
• From: Raja (@ 202.54.69.66) on: Wed Mar 31 06:18:20 EST 1999
  
  Padayappa's song was really terrible. They really didn't reflect what ARR's talent, if he has anything left.
  
  
• From: ARR Fan (@ 198.80.192.138) on: Wed Mar 31 06:26:32 EST 1999
  
  ARR's style is entirely differed from other typical Indian MDs to identify them which should never be called reiteration rather we can say thats their way. ARR has given new shape to the total Indian music especially to the tamil film where every south asians look after Tamil. This is a great job done by him eversince we havn't had this much fame on our tamil field.
  
  As far as Padayapa is concerned, I think ARR was out of his way and he must have forced by someone to come-up with such fast tunes like Deva did it for Rajni. So, this film is not at the complete satification of ARR. However, the songs are much better than any IR's compositions.
  
  ESK is really nice soundtrack and all the songs from this film are marvelleous. Whoever the IR fanatics critisizing it are just to be critisized.
  
  
• From: F_OF_ARRFAN (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Wed Mar 31 09:21:07 EST 1999
  
  ARR_FAN,
  This a place for some serious posting. Don't u know there is a thread called "dlkjhds..." ???
  
  Do contribute there.
  
  Some TIPS: >>However, the songs are
  much better than any IR's compositions. <<
  
  this should come in bold letters. We'll have a good time ROFL :-)))
  
  
• From: SPAM (@ portal.ameritech.com) on: Wed Mar 31 09:22:37 EST 1999
  
  ARR Fan, this is the digital and rhythm age. Today any (only) trash sells. If you say ARR songs are better than any IR's songs then you have not listened to music in your life or you only heard Mustafa, Mustafa and other mukkala, mooqabula hits of ARR. Please go listen to other MDs for more musical knowledge and tell your friends also and then come back to this forum.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Wed Mar 31 09:30:17 EST 1999
  
  I fail to understand what one means by "rajnish" (no Osho, here :-)) tunes. Does this mean "dhalapathi", "thambikku endha ooru" all had similar revolting tunes? It is better to call these tunes "devaish" rather than "rajnish". I think it seriously insults IR who has given for Rajni some evergreen tunes like:
  
  (1) Kaadhalin dheepam
  (2) Oorai therinjukittEn
  (3) malarae malarae ullasam
  (4) dhalapathy
  (5) meenamma meenamma
  (6) podhuvaaga yEm manasu (first rajni pugaz pAdum song ?)
  (7) en vaazvile varum anbE
  (8) Rasavae unnai naan (nor "for" Rajni - but for his film)
  
  and many more...
  
  ARR fan:
  
  Please do not make arbitrary statements like the above. I agree ESK is good, but not with your baseless statements like "better than IR's compositions" etc... In the last line, you have made a comment which is typical of an ARR -fanatic..
  
  Sorry, if I have touched you personally.
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Wed Mar 31 10:01:50 EST 1999
  
  
  Yup, I agree with MS in his comments about ARR fan's posting that "better than IR" isnt very appropriate.
  
  If we take a look at all songs by Rajni in last few years, there are more tan-tan-tan-tan kinda mass songs (eg: naan aatokaaran). Some exceptions for this are amma endru azhaikaadha and konji konji alaigal oda.. I had some hopes of listening to some such good numbers in Padaiapaa - We dont need a ARR to produce these padaiappa kind of songs.. any tom, harry or deva could possibly do that. Even if we were to agree that ARR was "forced to" come up with such "devaish/rajni-ish" numbers for padaiappa, there should be atleast one number in the entire album that should be bear the ARR-mark!! And this is whats disappointing! I am yet to hear the song by Nityasree, and hope atleast that is another "kannodu kanbadhellam"!! Is that song available on the net?
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Wed Mar 31 12:49:29 EST 1999
  
  Chandy:
  
  You have even the MP3 version of it at Raja mohan's site. Check it out in the audio links.
  
  

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