Topic started by Sajeev Raj (@ 210.195.144.64) on Sat Apr 13 22:31:21 EDT 2002.
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Bombay Dreams is releasing in June 2002
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- From: King of Xanadu from Memphis (@ 195.93.50.158)
on: Wed Jul 24 17:59:13 EDT 2002
-I was conflicted
-as such a great ticket
would surely not be available at such a late date for a hit?
-immediately and absolutely accessible
-actingabilities
-The major cast members were all excellent
-I was so enamored of the show
-Getting to the theatre my second night in London
-JK was a bit cheesy, but acceptable.
Look at the mistakes in grammar,usage of english!
If the above is a posting by an american,then,I am the king of Xanadu.
The english standard in tfm page is 100 times better.
esp this one-
//as such a great ticket
would surely not be available at such a late date for a hit?//-what in the world does the above statement intend to say?
- From: Micahel Corleone from New York (@ 195.93.50.158)
on: Wed Jul 24 18:06:29 EDT 2002
I think you guys have fallen hook,line and sinker for some chap pretending to be an american-it is like english used by no american.I am sure it is some Indian fan-the english is slightly better than the type used by SP mahendran-who for reasons known to himself,pretends that he does not know english.I know ARR fans are desperate-but not this desperate.
- From: JJ (@ 65.69.58.197)
on: Wed Jul 24 18:07:06 EDT 2002
ARR SUCKS!!!!! Period. He can never equal sankar ganesh. I guess SG has given wonderful songs to us. ARR has a long way to achieve what Sankar Ganesh has achieved.
- From: Ilayaraja (@ 24.42.147.215)
on: Thu Jul 25 02:59:04 EDT 2002
Oi JJ, you are an absolute idiot. Just get out of here you thick head. If this is what you have been waiting for then there you go, you got it. Go and listen to IR songs while rubbing your b*l*s.
- From: IR Fan (@ 12.234.138.159)
on: Thu Jul 25 03:34:32 EDT 2002
good work JJ.
Keep it up
- From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67)
on: Thu Jul 25 03:47:32 EDT 2002
JJ you are as incredible as JJ.
We could tolerate that JJ, hope to throw her out next time, but U, oh GOD...IR should have done million punniam to have a fan like you.
Don't worry, I will recomend your name to IR to invite you to his tea party.
- From: JJ (@ 65.69.45.135)
on: Thu Jul 25 13:19:08 EDT 2002
I guess nobody came out with reasonable argument that ARR is yet to match 20% fo what SG has achieved.
- From: sarat (@ 128.192.5.157)
on: Thu Jul 25 14:46:46 EDT 2002
King of Xanadu from Memphis & Micahel Corleone from New York (@ 195.93.50.158)
you might want to put a google search for Mr. Mikel Orsborn.
the results might surprise you.
- From: George Bush-white house. (@ 195.93.50.151)
on: Thu Jul 25 16:24:16 EDT 2002
I have done that-the results do not surprise me at all.
when we have postings in name of ARR and IR in f-do you seriously beleive they are the ones doing the posting?
- From: Rangachari (@ 161.142.100.86)
on: Thu Jul 25 21:02:27 EDT 2002
Do not compare the sun (ARR) with the frog (IR).
ARR HAS accomplished - Bombay Dreams.
IR is nothing but wind - phony symphony.
- From: JJ (@ 65.69.45.135)
on: Fri Jul 26 01:27:28 EDT 2002
All ARR has achieved is - Bombay Fart!! It was a big fart by ARR!! Keep dreaming Rangachari!! Stupid tunes!! He should be executed for murdering original tunes like Alai Payuthe, Vandhe Matharam.. Even in tamil Shakalaka baby was "unsahikkable". In Hindi it became horrible.
In Engilsh it is even more horrible!!. What a loser he must be recycling the same thing. I cannot even stand those songs. I heard each song.
If i have to listen again someone has to tie my hands otherwise i will break my PC. I will never ever listen to that bombay dreams in all my life. You can imagine how much the album sucks!!
- From: Rangachari (@ 61.6.38.132)
on: Fri Jul 26 01:48:41 EDT 2002
Will somebody force JJ to listen to some ARR songs and make sure his hands are tied.
AT least YOU are listening to ARR songs.
Fact is no one except for hard core like you are listening to IR songs.
Everything you have said about ARR is actually applicable to IR and his idiotic rubbish songs.
- From: Shahid Afridi (@ 64.216.219.129)
on: Fri Jul 26 02:14:49 EDT 2002
Tamilian alias Dude Pun*da mavane. unna enikku theriyadhu nenachittia. Idhu ennada Po*olu madhiri Rangacharinnu oru peru unikku.
- From: Ramalingadigalar (@ 64.216.219.129)
on: Fri Jul 26 02:17:42 EDT 2002
Pee thinni ARR oziga. Gana thalaivan DEVA vazga
- From: Rangachari (@ 161.142.100.86)
on: Fri Jul 26 03:02:26 EDT 2002
Spoken like his guru, the great IR.
- From: GV (@ 65.93.3.80)
on: Sat Jul 27 17:15:43 EDT 2002
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2002/07/25/stories/2002072500570300.htm
- From: curses (@ 203.199.231.114)
on: Sun Jul 28 01:35:06 EDT 2002
admin.. pleeze make sure certain posts r deleted.. pleeze!!
- From: MUSIC LOVER (@ 194.54.238.10)
on: Fri Aug 2 03:55:41 EDT 2002
PARTHALAE PARAVASAM,KANNATHIL MUTHAMITTAL,BOMBAY DREAMS,BHAGAT SINGH,AND THE GREAT BABA FLOP FLOP FLOP FLOP FLOP THE RISE AND FALL OF AR RAHMAN 1992-2002.
DEVA TUNES COPIED IN BABA ,WAT A JUNK MD ARR IS,EVEN YSR WOULD HAVE REFUSED TO DO BABA IF THEY WANTED A DEVA TUNE LIFTED ,ALLAH SAVED US BY KEEPING HIM IN LONDON.
BE THERE ARR ULL GET A KICK IF U COME BACK TO THE LAND OF MUSIC LOVING AND MUSIC KNOWING TAMILS
- From: Are yaar (@ 203.115.31.67)
on: Fri Aug 2 06:23:14 EDT 2002
ML:
Good. Except for PP all others were hit. If you assume that they are flop, then I will be forced to say there that Devan is a smash hit. This will be a huge insult to IR and IR after reading my post might also hang himself..Devan...hit...? huf..
I am always non violent. I will boost you.don't worry.
- From: K (@ 12.147.71.66)
on: Wed Aug 7 17:57:47 EDT 2002
It is wrong to compare in my opinion. Both are very talented. Each one is special in his own way. We should just learn to enjoy their music.
- From: Are Yaar (@ )
on: Mon Aug 19 08:54:17 EDT 2002
From ARRYG
Talk of lovely surprises! Reading the report below, what absolutely
blows my mind is the bit about how Bombay Dreams is the hippest show
right now! Who'd have imagined this outcome after reading the snotty
reviews back then?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,776079,00.html
The critics hate you. It's a hit
West End draws lessons as lauded Kiss Me, Kate closes but panned
Bombay Dreams goes on
Maev Kennedy, arts and heritage correspondent
Saturday August 17, 2002
The Guardian
Another closing, another show, as Cole Porter might have put it. Two
hugely expensive shows are playing in theatres 100 yards apart in
London. One got ecstatic reviews, the other reviews which could only
politely be described as mixed. One is turning people away every
night, the other dying in front of rows of empty seats.
Kiss Me, Kate, Cole Porter's joyous take on Shakespeare's Taming of
the Shrew, closes next Saturday in the Victoria Palace Theatre, after
10 months, long before it could hope to recoup its £3.5m costs. It
will tour, with an English cast replacing the original Broadway
stars, but the overheads are so daunting it can never become a
commercial hit.
"If a show like Kiss Me, Kate, which was done by the book of
excellence in every possible respect, can't survive for a year, it
has to make us all stop and think about the future," said Nica Burns,
a co-producer of the show.
So who killed Kate?
Not the location: Kate is within sight of the crowds struggling to
get into Bombay Dreams at the Apollo Victoria. That show, with music
by A R Rahman, a star in Bollywood films but virtually unknown in
this country, cost £4.5m, and has triumphantly vindicated producer
Andrew Lloyd Webber's hunch that this was the summer of sequins and
pink sari silk. It is now taking bookings to March 2003.
Not the reviews, the kind a desperate management might be tempted to
write for itself. Kiss Me, Kate was hailed by critics as "an
unalloyed joy", "a dazzling evening" and ironically dubbed "the
biggest West End hit" in the Newsnight review of the arts last year.
Charles Spencer, theatre critic of the Daily Telegraph, is bemused by
its fate. "If we all hate a show it usually doesn't prosper. But it
is slightly galling that here is a show which we all really loved,
and that doesn't seem to have helped at all." Nica Burns said: "I
can't think of any way we could have done it better, so you have to
ask: can a show like this make it any longer?"
It is not universal gloom in the West End. The tourists are back, and
many of the big musicals are doing very nicely. Les Miserables is
still playing to full houses, as are Mamma Mia, My Fair Lady, Chitty
Chitty Bang Bang, and The Phantom of the Opera. Phantom recently had
the most profitable week of its five-year run.
Bombay Dreams has done exactly what Sir Andrew prophesied, and
created a new market. The young wealthy Asian couples, and entire
large Asian families, flocking to the theatre every night, have
almost fireproofed the show against any down turn in the tourist
market.
The price of getting it wrong is phenomenal. Bombay Dreams was
comparatively cheap at £4.5m. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang cost almost
twice that. Cameron Mackintosh described The Witches of Eastwick
as "a modest little show" at £6m - just as well, since he had to
move
it to a much smaller theatre before it too died in the gloom of last
winter.
The fate of Kiss Me, Kate, has sent a shiver down many spines. When
Nica Burns pauses for thought, the theatre world waits anxiously.
Apart from the shows she produces, she books shows for a string of
London theatres including Andrew Lloyd Webber's group.
"Not everybody loves Andrew Lloyd Webber's shows," she said, "but
what anyone in the business would concede is that he has an uncanny
ability almost to smell the changing mood, to sense the next big
thing. Bombay Dreams is absolutely of now, a show people want to go
to and be seen going to. Brilliant as Kiss Me, Kate is, it is not
hip. And I think we now have to ask about the future of big revivals
of classic American musicals."
At the Theatre Royal, Stratford East, Philip Hedley puts on new
musicals on budgets that wouldn't pay for a West End scene change.
Next spring he will stage stage Da Boyz, a hip hop version of another
classic musical, Rogers and Hart's Boys from Syracuse. Like Andrew
Lloyd Webber, he has concluded that the traditional British musical
is probably doomed without a transplant from the passionate musical
tastes of young blacks and Asians.
"Everything that theatre does, musicals do, only more so. It is an
art form with a unique ability to engage and enthrall the popular
imagination - but the traditional musical is simply missing an entire
generation. The young don't see musicals as connecting in any way
with their own lives, and they're right. If we can't change that, the
musical is dead," he said.
Sceptics are now waiting, with the macabre fascination of crowds
gathering around a motorway pile-up, for Romeo and Juliet - the
Musical. The French show is coming to London, but with lyrics by Don
Black, who also wrote the lyrics for Bombay Dreams. The recent track
record for French shows is not encouraging. Memories are still green
of Napoleon, Lautrec, and Notre Dame de Paris, another post-September
11 casualty.
Romeo and Juliet is due to open in November at the Piccadilly, a
theatre where in the last two decades several apparently guaranteed
hit musicals have sunk without trace.
Another opening, another show, as Cole Porter did put it.
Good times, bad times: a tale of two shows
Kiss Me, Kate
By Cole Porter and inspired by William Shakespeare
· London show opened Victoria Palace, 30 October 2001
· Number of performances: 332
· Since booking opened has taken £10.5 million (around
£32,000 per
performance). The theatre has a capacity of 2208
· "An almost flawless revival of Cole Porter's 1948 Shakespeare
based
musical which gives constant, time-suspending pleasure"
Michael Billington, the Guardian
· "A dazzling evening of infectious pleasure that makes you
go "Wow!"."
Charles Spencer, the Daily Telegraph
· "Watching Michael Blakemore's production of Kiss Me, Kate, you
keep
thinking: well, it can't get any better than this. And then, lo and
behold, it does. The show tops its best so often that, by the end,
the audience floats out of the theatre on a wave of unalloyed joy."
Paul Taylor, The Independent
Bombay Dreams
Music by A R Rahman. Book by Meera Syal and lyrics by Don Black.
Produced by Andrew Lloyd Webber and The Really Useful Theatre Company
· Opened Apollo Victoria Theatre, June 19 2002
· Number of performances : 65
·Advance sales are about £100,000 a day . Performances are
running at
98% full and the theatre has a capacity of 1,524.
Now booking to March 30 2003
· "The only consistent tone is one of cheap, empty knowingness,
which
at times plunges to an appallingly low level of taste."
Rhoda Koenig, the Independent
· "It's a bold inventive shot at something new that misses the
target."
Nicholas de Jongh, Evening Standard
· "For much of the time, watching this is like picking your way
through a plateful of Bombay mix: you get to the pungent bits only
after ladelling aside shovelfuls of uninteresting pebbly things."
Susannah Clapp, the Observer
- From: Are Yaar (@ 203.197.141.186)
on: Mon Aug 19 08:58:21 EDT 2002
Way to go for ARR.
Check out this article on success of Bpmbay Dreams
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?artid=19382695
Bombay Dreams wins over critics
RASHMEE Z AHMED
TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ SATURDAY, AUGUST 17, 2002 7:54:35 PM ]
LONDON: It has taken a rank outsider to finally show up the apparent
impotence of the powerful London lobby of theatre critics, but
British reviewers are gnashing their teeth over the success of the
one show they never expected to do well - A R Rahman's first musical,
Bombay Dreams, which is running to capacity crowds and an extended
season.
The Rahman-composed show, produced by musical impressario Andrew
Lloyd-Webber, is set in Mumbai's slums, its filmi duniya and
attendant underworld.
On Saturday, some of the chagrined critics who panned the show soon
after it opened in June, admitted defeat.
Bombay Dreams, the critics have been quoted as saying, has made its
gravity-defying rise to the top of the sales charts, despite or
perhaps, inspite of the harsh reviews.
With the Bombay Dreams theatre 98 per cent full for each of its 65
performances so far, Britain's first Indian musical is cautiously
considered a potential addition to Lloyd-Webber's so-called hit
parade, which includes long-running and well-loved musicals such as
The Phantom of the Opera and Cats.
On Saturday, one crestfallen hack reported that Rahman's London
theatrical debut appeared to have "triumphantly vindicated Lloyd
Webber's hunch that this was the summer of sequins and pink sari
silk".
Success for Bombay Dreams comes at a particularly poignant time for
the traditional show in London's sniffy theatreland. The hugely
admired Cole Porter musical, Kiss me Kate, is dying on its feet just
100 yards away from the Rahman-Lloyd Webber triumph.
Reports put Kiss me Kate's takings at just one-third of those for
Bombay Dreams. According to estimates, Rahman's composition has had
advance sales of 100,000 pounds a day.
Analysts said that the contrasting sales figures told an important
story, namely that Western shows might need an infusion of fresh
blood from Asian and Black musical tastes.
Kiss me Kate's failure is also thought to put a question mark on the
whole business of reviving classic American musicals.
With Bombay Dreams now scheduled to run at least till March 2003,
British theatre pundits say it may finally be time to follow Lloyd-
Webber's lead and head east for inspiration.
Courtesy ---ARRYG
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