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Compare and Contrast IR's musical style(s), especially with the BGM tracks, with those of composers of Hollywood

Topic started by Music_lover (@ 202.141.98.226) on Wed Apr 28 08:58:08 EDT 2004.
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Compare and Contrast IR's musical style(s), especially with the BGM tracks, with those of composers of Hollywood, viz., Maurice Jarre, Henri Mancini, John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, Bernstein, John Barry, Alan Sylvistri, Danny Elfman, Ennio Morricone, Howard Shore, Hans Zimmer, James Horner and so on

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• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.68) on: Sat May 15 02:00:53 EDT 2004
  
  Guys,
  
  How can you forget Thenmozhi from Solla Thudikkuthu Manasu (1988) which is a great transition type song you are discussing here.
  
  Osha, music-Lover, etc. Please listen and comment on this song:
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/WW000I1S
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.68) on: Sat May 15 02:01:37 EDT 2004
  
  Guys,
  
  How can you forget Thenmozhi from Solla Thudikkuthu Manasu (1988) which is a great transition type song you are discussing here.
  
  Osha, music-Lover, etc. Please listen and comment on this song:
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/WW000I1S
  
  Raja has handled not two, three genres in this song - Carnatic, WCM and Hindustani.
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.68) on: Sat May 15 02:03:05 EDT 2004
  
  Gyan,
  
  I could not download the Greenaway prelude bits. Can you please mail me or upload it again.
  
  
• From: Gyan (@ 4.158.117.105) on: Sat May 15 03:11:20 EDT 2004
  
  I think I will have to reupload as I checked amazon second hand prices, shocking prices. don't buy just for the two tracks!! I will get back
  
  
  reviews in amazon are revealing: excerpts of some: (this is only to describe what would've been the case if IR released the Symphony for a Disney event in the USA?!!! Yello, Shyamalan)
  
  ....
  The Reflections of Earth (track one) can only be described as a Symphony for the next century....
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  ...."Reflections of Earth" sure has the power it make any music lover go weak at the knees, the London Symphony Orchestra and the Royal Philharmonic go all the way with this extravagent ten minute piece. "Tapestry of Nations" has the mild, yet driving sound of chant and percussion; .........
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  .....This music will "knock your socks off!"
  3 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
  Bone Chilling Music by the Best in the Business!, March 12, 2000 Reviewer: wheeyore@optonline.net (see more about me) from Tampa, Florida United States .......
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  Unbelievable !, October 5, 2000 Reviewer: Robert N. Doyal from Fort Wayne, IN USA
  My CD arrived this afternoon and I can't stop listening to it. I have been collecting music for over 50 years, and have to say that, without doubt, this is the most moving recording I have ever heard. The richness of the sonority, the flow of the lines, the variations in rhythm simply can't be described. If you are a conductor "want-to be" (as I am) I challenge you to listen to this music and hold your hands still. This music brings tears to my eyes every time I listen to it. If you buy only 1 CD this year, let it be this one. Five stars are not enough! SPECTACULAR!!! .........
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  (Reflections of Earth is the one with the Ilamai Idho Idho percussion intro and IR style phrasing!)
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.32.11) on: Sat May 15 03:23:31 EDT 2004
  
  none of the cool goose links are working-says that there is no such song in he database.help!
  excellent thread-read the whole lot in one go.another songI would like to add is thoongadha vizhigal-agni natchathiram.the beats and instruments very western,but song sounds so carnatic!
  
  
• From: Osho (@ 203.197.136.34) on: Sat May 15 03:56:03 EDT 2004
  
  This will warm your heart further guys.. I have mixed together a track by Jerry Goldsmith (Star Trek Insurrection) and IR's Ithayam track (What a track!). Listen how they bring out emotions thru music.
  
  The track begins with a guitar (actually two guitars) and then a flute takes over, the guitar still providing ample support but the prominent player is the flute and then subsequently piano plays the same note the guitar played and then violins take over playing the same note. Particularly hear the flute when the violins reach crescendo. How many times have we heard this in IR’s innumerable songs.
  
  IR uses the same technique, the guitar (actually two guitars!!) is the backbone in the track. The track starts with two guitars and then the violin and the flute is prominent .The flute takes precedence with the guitars providing the support. Listen to the track as it expresses the protagonists struggle to express his feelings his inability to do so and his anguish towards himself and the helplessness he is in. Wow! Is it not world class.. Notice how the bass guitar plays brilliantly through out the track.
  
  
  Listen to the two tracks mixed together and named as “Distant Cousins”
  
  http://www.coolgoose.com/go/song?id=117005
  
  Awe inspiring, truly amazing compositions that would capture music lover’s heart and will be etched there forever.
  
  One more thing guys, i'm also a little jittery about uploading all the mp3 (mix) to the coolgoose repository and will be taking all the tracks soon.
  
  
• From: Osho (@ 203.197.136.34) on: Sat May 15 04:08:57 EDT 2004
  
  K, on the lines of your post i remember a incident that occurred to me. It was the year 1997 during the month Raman Abdullah got released and i was standing near a small music shop. I frequently used to visit this shop then, at my place in Nagercoil. Two foreigners came to the shop asking for tamil film songs and the shop keeper tried to woe them with film songs of another md (the song had lot of techno beats). They patiently listened to it and asked him to put another cassette with IR picture prominently displayed on the cassette cover. The song if i remember is "Puthithai Kaetkum" from the film and within a minute they asked him to pack the cassette. The shopkeeper and me looked each other and smiled. He and I knew the reason for the smile.
  
  
• From: Osho (@ 203.197.136.34) on: Sat May 15 04:24:15 EDT 2004
  
  Gyan,
  The millineum track is unlike other western compositions definetely. The feel in itself is different. IR now needs to have a good PR to market himself in hollywood. Will he do it?
  
  Venky(aka) venkatesh..Mannichudanga for leaving out "Thenmozhi". The truth is that IR has done the transition over and over for number of songs.
  
  SSSA, can you please ask IR to release Sound Tracks of various movies (atleast HeyRam, Kaalapaani, My Dear Kuttichaathan etc..) . I believe that he has the intellectual copy right over the sound tracks.
  
  Project Gem guys are u reading this thread?
  
  
• From: Gyan (@ 4.158.117.85) on: Sat May 15 17:43:02 EDT 2004
  
  Venkatesh, yaaro: i put it back and also one song from Vaazhkai - Kaalam Maaralaam, in id= 117079.
  
  http://www.coolgoose.com/music/song.php?id=117080
  
  Osho, u used the word "transition" here already!!! I think Greenaway has learned that unique art of Tamil film music transitioning phrasings between passages from the maestro of it, IR.
  
  For some of the best egamples of extraordinary transitions with ambience (i mean that "wider space" type feel and "paced out" effect like Nadigar Thilagam' facial expressions and gestures while, after, before delivering lines versus say Bagyaraj' bland nasal delivery ;---))
  
  study: Manadhil Enna Ninaivugalo (Poonthalir); then, Chirakkati Kali (My Dear Kuttichathan) and most important song to learn about the subtle yet superdramatic art of transitioning from phrase to phrase without boring the listeners with long passages is in the song:
  
  " Paruvakaalangalil Manadhu" (Moodupani), try to obtain the original version with a long prelude and 2 or 3 interludes. Try to find the so sublte a piece - in this song, it is quick, unexpected, perfect and creates that rich ambient feel without a huge hollywood orchestra, but with just one instrument!!!!!!!!!!
  
  Paruvakaalangalin Manadhu ( i think dhool.com has a one interlude portion of the unedited version, the "edited" version does not contain the transitioning phrase!!!!! that piece appears in the prelude and in the first interlude.)
  
  bye for now.
  
  
• From: Gyan (@ 4.158.117.123) on: Sat May 15 18:39:33 EDT 2004
  
  Just wanted to ask Osho, is IR' composition earlier than Jerry Goldsmith', if so it is tremendous!!!! Don't remove it from coolgoose for some time, as i find it takes a long time to reupload stuff on coolgoose ;--)
  
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  also, thought every budding composer can learn from some of my observations about music as I listen to various composers, for now, the following:
  
  Must study song for the superb ambience effect achieved by Gavin Greenaway (1999!) with his huge,albiet with his huge orchestra versus other erstwhile Western composers. IR' influence is most obviously identified because of the use of such effects - in the transitioning aspect between phrases: here, try to spot that UNEXPECTED sound IR did with one single instrument( 1980?!!!!) as opposed to having a huge orchestra to achieve that same effect:
  "paruvakaalangalin manadhu", in either of the links below:
  
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/WW000C2J
  
  http://www.dhool.com/cgi-bin/display.pl?order=movie&query=movie+like+'moodupani%'&start=0&offset=40&prevq=movie+like+'moodupani%'
  
  
  
  
• From: Osho (@ 203.197.136.34) on: Sun May 16 00:22:47 EDT 2004
  
  Gyan, Idhayam (1991) came a good 7 years before star trek insurrection (1998). -:)
  
  
• From: Osho (@ 203.197.136.34) on: Mon May 17 02:55:28 EDT 2004
  
  Srivatsan, about the transition in Andhi Mazhai song, is it really a transition. I can’t come to grips about the way the emotions are being told in the song. The song starts with a mridangam (a proper carnatic start to the song) followed by the vocal (Distinctly western for a brief period) and then the mridangam seemingly integrates with the vocal. The song for a brief period shifts to Hindustani with the alaap. You can hear the alaap again when janaki sings, but this time its pure fusion between carnatic and Hindustani form of music (backed by the mridangam.)
  
  The second interlude begins with a piano emphasizing that its western (certainly western notes), but when the chorus sings, the miridangam joins in symbolizing that it’s neither western nor Indian form of music (No transition?). IF you hear what follows, the violins play a tune that is distinctly Indian while the piano on the background plays western notes. Sparkling... I guess the whole song depicts the chemistry between the two protagonists. One a blind man, his love to his beloved, his gratitude (the Indian form of music assigned to him) and the girl (to whom the western form of music is assigned). What a great way to say that the love they exhibit is not ordinary.
  
  
  Also whenever i hear the song “Pani vizhum malargalil” (in the movie before the “Andhi mazhai” song), the sheer intensity of the song moves me towards the brink of breaking. Listen to the vocal overlap (or is it interlace? ). One word, Stunning!
  
  

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