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Original songs od Deva

Topic started by swarapriyan (@ 129.252.23.236) on Fri Oct 23 12:44:07 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Of late there had been enough panning on Deva for giving wonderful "remix / xerox" songs. But I feel that he has done a decent job in giving some original compositions too. eg.

(1)Porul thedum bhoomiyil (By chitra in Kalki)
(2)Metti Metti velli metti (By SJ in Pullai kuttikkaran)
(3)Konja Naal Poruthalaiva
(4)Un udhattoram sivappai

I wish TFM fans contribute to this thread without digressing to cast criticizms on him.

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Responses:

• Old responses
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-02.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Sun Oct 25 01:03:52 EDT 1998
  
  Subbudu,during his interview for 'nerukku ner'(SUN TV)said he likes Devas usage of instruments compared to IRs and ARRs.
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Sun Oct 25 02:05:59 EST 1998
  
  magi,
  YES, I am in MIEL :-)
  
  
• From: Lakshmanan (@ 208.222.9.66) on: Sun Oct 25 02:19:05 EST 1998
  
  Magi,
  I accept that Deva is a cheap nice product, TF industry utilizes. was even happy when I read that Deva composed and wrote lyrics for a song in one of the new movies, in just 2 hours, when our old friend Vairamuthu was stumbling for words(for the same song).
  But, cant u accept that Deva is just filling the gaps in his songs. even in industry he is shining because he is demands lesser money. will somebody sell a product for lesser money if is good qualitywise?
  TF industry is just using him as a filler for the gap IR has created with his demands and ego (I cant blame IR, any talented person will do that).
  Is anything wrong in my view?
  
  
• From: Nirupama (@ mut-53-0327.direct.ca) on: Sun Oct 25 05:39:38 EST 1998
  
  Hi Srinath: I really didn't expect to see you in this thread:-) No doubt the song "Mudhan mudhalil paarthen" IS a copy of "Sochenge Tumhe..." from Deewana.
  
  I think Deva is one of the few MDs(if not the only one!) who has put Sinhalese "Baila" style to some good use in TFM. I think the song 'Hey Gnanam' from Indhu has some baila influence . There are a few more of these, I just can't remember them at the moment. Also his Dappanguthu songs usually carry one rhythm/beat (like in Punjabi folk music), which quite different from other MDs'. For example, we can see the difference in IR's Ayya Veedu(KM) to Deva's Kundrathile koyil (Nesam). This could be one distinct feature of Deva.
  
  Hi Udhaya,
  
  Nice to have you back in the DF!! I think Deva's quality(if he had any!!) is very low now compared to his earlier works. I liked his songs like "Thenamara Thoppukulle Kuyile, & Intha Therkku Theru Machan" from the film Therku Theru Machan. The melody was nice although the orchestration resembled IR's songs. But now he only cares about making some quick money and therefore does not waste any time in "thinking". Rather he prefers to do a research for his songs and find out what people like in different parts of the country & the world:-) By encouraging this we are only giving more room for other 'Devas' to come up in TFM.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ ts030d07.chi-il.concentric.net) on: Sun Oct 25 09:30:00 EST 1998
  
  Guys,
  
  Just buy a Yamaha porasound,play a readymade beat and chord pattern, try to play a melody for the beat, you idea will sound better than DEVA's,
  Deva lacks creativity, just belives in his sound gadgets. Lead, bgm, vocal track he sets are very poor, a music school beginer will create a better one.
  I heard a song called "made for eachother" in Devaraja - I was above to puke in my car after hearing the cat strangling scream from Swaranalatha and gang = Thougth it is original noise, we cannot accept it as music.
  
  We human beings cannot bray like a donkey or grunt like a pig, though they are considered as original sounds it is not something great.
  DEVA's cacaphony is similar to the above.
  
  Do not waste you time in discussing on DEVA.
  He is a total waste, just his good time - he is making money. There are many good composers without a break. Given a chance they will do better.
  
  PLEASE STOP DISCUSSING ABOUT DACOIT DEVA..
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: N.C.Ramakrishna (@ 208-144-12.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Oct 25 11:28:06 EST 1998
  
  Well said Srikanth.
  
  Though some of Deva tunes are good, once I came to know about the original tunes, I cant give the credit to Deva, no more accept him as great. I cant appreciate any one who lacks originality. He lost his credibilty as a MD. One of two songs may have similarity with other tunes which we can tell he is inspired. But many a number really tells about the MD.
  
  But the time in TFM is his. As long as this continues, we cant do anything about that.
  
  
• From: Murali sankar (@ 129.252.23.156) on: Sun Oct 25 12:14:00 EST 1998
  
  I am sorry to write this. But no way. It is better if everybody contributing, reads the title of the thread and the requests of the persons who had positively contributed prior to them. I pleaded no malice on Deva but I find thathe discussion is once again heading towards familiar unpleasant direction. please restrict your postings to original melodies of Deva only.
  
  regards
  
  Murali sankar
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ nova7.cs.wisc.edu) on: Sun Oct 25 14:07:55 EST 1998
  
  I watched the Kannada movie Amrutavarshini. I rate it the best (original??) effort of Deva. I think the main reason was that the movie itself was so good and the songs definitely did not interfere with the movie. Also, the BGM for the film was good.
  
  
• From: ichiboy (@ 202.54.33.63) on: Sun Oct 25 22:19:26 EST 1998
  
  Hi,
  If u see every one of Deva's recent releases, it is easy to find a minimum of 3-4 straight lifts.I mean how can he call himself Thenisai Thendral Deva when he flicks left-right-centre.Regarding this thread,I thought this would be the smallest thread in the DF but since Deva's originals have derived inspiration from some other MD(May be not as blatantly as his other songs) this thread is going to be a big one.How about changing the thread to Inspiraions of DEva's original songs.
  Bye
  Hrishikesh
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Sun Oct 25 23:41:42 EST 1998
  
  Guys,
  Please stick to the topic.If u want to thulp deva
  please do it in "bitter truth about DEVA" thread.
  
  U guys don't seem to understand my anxiety in spotting atleast one ORIGINAL work of Deva :-)))
  
  
• From: Dev Mannemela (@ tide79.microsoft.com) on: Mon Oct 26 15:21:24 EST 1998
  
  Hi Udhaya,
  
  The Deva song "Uyire Uyire Nalamthana" is a straight lift of "Chalte Chalte Yun hi koi" from Pakeezah (MDs: Gulam Mohd & Naushad). You might have been thinking about Kishore Kumar's "Chalte Chalte"..
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Oct 26 16:11:58 EST 1998
  
  You're right Dev, I stand corrected. I was indeed thinking of the old Kishore song.
  
  Srikanth,
  I feel your pain and empathize with your views since you're a talented musician waiting for a big break who can't digest a copycat getting popular.
  But the common public is not as discerning a listener as you, and you have to understand there's a need for casual, easily hummable songs as well.
  
  The more players in the industry the better, is my opinion. Increase the variety that we get, spread success around so everybody works harder. The success of Deva, Sirpi, and other bottom feeders set the tone for producers to take a chance on promising newcomers like, "Philip & Jerry" and "Agosh". I prefer the free-market better than a monopoly anyday.
  
  In time, the poor imitators will be marginalized by the market, anyone heard of Shankar Ganesh, Chandrabose, or Shyam lately? Once the quantity of the bad tunes outdoes the good tunes, these guys will disappear from music.
  
  
  
  
• From: hahahahahahahahahaha (@ node1.allegiance.net) on: Mon Oct 26 16:45:36 EST 1998
  
  ennapa ithu,
  Deva Bros. ethavathu original tune kooda pottaangala?????????????
  
  
• From: Observer (@ spider-wc032.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Oct 26 20:33:56 EST 1998
  
  IR has left no areas for DEVA to explore at present for composing any originals of his own. Whatever he does out of any inspiration will only turn out to be tune already created by IR or lisft from western tune. Poor guy has been taken for a fide by all critics inspite of songs being good. It will be a futile exercise to make a list of any "originals" . I think DEVA has to go underground for a few years and come back later so that he gives people a chance to forget this episode. POOR CHAP!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.246) on: Tue Oct 27 18:17:08 EST 1998
  
  in spite of IR exploring the many facets of music , ARR was able to come up with a new style and carve a niche for himself. that deva is not able to do the same speaks poorly of his musical talents. no use pitying on him!!!
  
  
• From: Observer (@ spider-to014.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Oct 27 21:27:21 EST 1998
  
  Sure,
  ARR came up with new style and carve a niche for himself, and hence the downfall of IR! No use pitying DEVA, pity IR instead. I wellcome newcomers like Vidyasagar to give more melodies like "malare mounama " and "nee kAtru".
  BTW, The following list of DEVA songs from kannethirE thodrinAL are still unchallenged for his originality
  
  1)kanavE kalaiyAthE
  2)chinna chinna kuyilE
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.246) on: Tue Oct 27 22:31:56 EST 1998
  
  ..."pity IR instead".....
  
  i can't help but pity u. i do not want to digress from the main topic but the fact is IR after 25 years still continues to surprise people. ARR who has caused the so called 'downfall' of IR has already become stale and does no more than a couple of films per year, more than half the songs of which are mediocre. whom should i pity now?
  
  
• From: f_of_arr_bashers (@ pup36.stanford.edu) on: Tue Oct 27 22:41:07 EST 1998
  
  Well said Vijay!
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 206-130-158.ipt.aol.com) on: Tue Oct 27 23:42:13 EST 1998
  
  Yow ! Yow ! Deva threadla IRukkum ARRukkum enna velai ? Yedho Deva oda 2-3 original songs kandupiddkkave thadhiginathom... ithula IRum and ARR um nadula poondhaanganaa eppadi ?
  
  Come on Vijay, be more sportive...atleast you and Observer share an appreciation for Vidyasagar.
  
  f_of_arr_bashers:
  There is a special thread which caters to your taste - "Rahman Bashers". But please don't try searching for it using "Rahman" and "Bashers" - because that search will probably return all the threads in the DF ! I strongly urge you to revive that thread or start a sequel to it !
  
  To everybody:
  Yen nilamai ippadiya aaganum? Poyum poyum Devavukkaaga vaadadavendiyada pochu :-((((
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ ip203.sjc.primenet.com) on: Wed Oct 28 03:28:27 EST 1998
  
  Srinath,
  I'm venemously happy to see you finding out the perils of objectivity. Tough spot to stay in the middle ain't it?
  
  

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