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Brahmin Dialect songs

Topic started by RV (@ 2cust104.tnt1.scl1.da.uu.net) on Fri Dec 4 02:12:54 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Vangonna Ada Vangonna used to be quite popular. I also recall another song which goes like "Ayyar Aatthu Ponnu Sonna Kettukkoda Ambi"

Of course, the quintessential one is

"Adutthatthu Ambujatthaip Patthela"

Any more ?

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• From: Kamesh (@ 202.188.0.14) on: Sat Mar 25 20:46:14 EST 2000
  
  BTW
  Edhukku en pera pottu uruttureenga MS?
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ wdslppp129.sttl.uswest.net) on: Sun Mar 26 01:42:29 EST 2000
  
  MS, let us not get into who is brahmin and who is not, (who cares!) (I dont know who in the world told you that dilip kumar was a brahmin etc,
  and you have tried to explain something out that info.
  Music is not a caste nor a religion (words of our good old friend NOV),
  
  Brahmin Dialect songs -- the heading just says a form of speech that is native to bramhins, it does not denote whether it is good or bad etc, few have frankly tried to post, end it here.
  
  frankly I am neither offended nor happy, it is one more thread ...thats all
  
  (also ms, mad bramins etc are totally unwanted here.), is bb still out of station!
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Sun Mar 26 10:47:11 EST 2000
  
  Srikanth: ithu entha MS ukku ? :-)
  
  Kamesh :-)
  
  
• From: NOV (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my) on: Sun Mar 26 22:05:53 EST 2000
  
  Srikanth - Music is not a caste nor a religion (words of our good old friend NOV)
  
  "Good" sari, athu enna "old"-u?
  Indha stress thevaithaanaa? :-)))
  
  MS - I think in this world of duplicates, it's best to stick to your very original name of Velaiyaththavan. :-))
  
  
• From: Kamesh (@ hlr-42-101.tm.net.my) on: Sun Mar 26 22:34:51 EST 2000
  
  NOV
  Aalae paakka mudiyalae. How are u?
  
  
• From: Keemu (@ abe21f05.ipt.aol.com) on: Mon Mar 27 00:32:10 EST 2000
  
  NOV: good is bad!! old is good!! :-)
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ wdslppp129.sttl.uswest.net) on: Mon Mar 27 01:04:59 EST 2000
  
  NOV,
  TYPO, words of our good vvy (very very young) friend (NOV porumA):)))
  
  
• From: NOV (@ bkj-cache82.jaring.my) on: Mon Mar 27 01:54:30 EST 2000
  
  Kamesh - nalla soukiyam, thank you. How are you?
  Appappa thevai irunthaal mattum post pannuven.
  Mudinthaal DF-le ulla tension-ai kuraikka, vedikkaiyaaga pesugiren.
  Matrappadi, DF-il irukkum tension-ai adhigam seiya virumbuvathillei.
  Enna solla varen endru ungalukku puriyum endru ninaikkiren:-))
  
  Keemu - Pesaamal neenga innum oru avathaaram, athaavathu NOMJ endru eduththuvidungalen!
  Enna aandhai maathiri muzhikkireenga? NOMJ endraal Namma Ooru Michael Jackson. :-))
  
  Srikanth - Sandhoasham, my dear, good, not-so-old friend. :-))
  BTW, I think congratulations is in order here.
  CONGRATULATIONS on your promotion!!!
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Mon Mar 27 11:19:37 EST 2000
  
  Guys: BTW, Dilip Kumar is not a Brahmin. His original name is Yousuf Khan. neenga Saira Banu Oda husband Dilip Kumar apaththi thaanEy.........:-)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.65) on: Mon Mar 27 19:15:00 EST 2000
  
  Either you do not know the meaning of democracy or that your ideas about democracy are vague.
  
  M.Sridharan, welcome to "Democracy and Freedom of Speech 101"
  
  Democracy and Freedom of Speech
  A widespread misconception about freedom of speech is that it allows one to say whatever one wants. Malicious words that hurt others are not permitted under freedom of speech in the public media. Even in racist Alabama, if you stand in a public place yelling the "N" word, your behind will be hauled to prison. The same rule applies when a restaurant or other public establishment says that it won't let a certain group enter its premise due to their color, race, lifestyle or aesthetic taste. Unless presented as a direct quote or as part of fiction, even progressive magazines don't use swear words or racial epithets targetting a specific group, interest or person.
  
  So it bugs the hell out of me when time and again I see people like you bringing up freedom of speech as a license to lambast an artist, song, or thread they dislike.
  
  Now let's look at freedom of speech as it applies to this forum:
  1) If a thread is started by someone to discuss IR, ARR, Deva, or "Brahmin Dialect songs" unless contributors want to add anything in keeping with the theme of the thread, they don't have the license to subvert the thread using freedom of speech to say, "This topic is unnecessary" or "IR sucks" or "Why does he deserve a thread?".
  
  2) If the topic itself suggests that you compare two artists, albums, or themes, then obviously arguments for and against are welcome. Even then, comparisons should be based on merits and facts not preference.
  
  3) If you deny others the chance to discuss their personal favorite because you feel your taste is superior or that their topic isn't for the public good then you're not being a democrat, just a fascist.
  
  Other comments:
  --I corrected your grammar not because this is an examination, but because I didn't want to quote you with your mistakes intact.
  
  --I DO NOT INTEND TO DENIGRATE THE BRAHMINS BUT A TOPIC LIKE THIS IN PUBLIC IS BOUND TO STRENGTHEN LINGUISTIC AND COMMUNAL FEELINGS
  I agree with you, this would be just like the string of communal riots that broke loose in every State Park and garden in Tamil Nadu after the one-sided TFM topic, "Songs with Roja in it" debuted. Jasmine vendors felt totally overlooked and denigrated that they tore up all roses from every garden because the topic didn't cater to their flower of choice.
  
  --Based on the brilliant previous point I wrote a scathing letter to actress/singer Manorama, who, brahmin that she is because only brahmins will sing brahmin songs, sang that hideous brahmin song, "Theriyaathoa Noakku". I got a reply, and I know she's lying, she says she's from Chettinad. Then I wrote Sathyaraj, who gave shameful brahmin propaganda in his movie "Villaadhi Villan" through the song, "Madisaarak Kattindu", and can you believe it, he denies he's a brahmin, tells me he's a Gounder, now how many Gounders do I know whose names end with ...raj. Who is he kidding? In the same vein, I wrote a fan letter to SPB for singing, "Vaa machchaan vaa vannaarappaettai" because he's from our paettai and he helps strengthen our communal feeling. It must be his brahmin PA who wrote the letter, because he sent me this atrocious lie that SPB is an Andhra brahmin.
  
  I've been saying all this since I'm a brahmin, right? Because only brahmins will come to a thread with this title, right? Wrong again.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ wdslppp129.sttl.uswest.net) on: Mon Mar 27 22:31:14 EST 2000
  
  Hi Udahya,
  Just A kind request, just cool down.
  relax!, .
  (for a change It my turn now to request you.:)))
  
  newtfmpage admins ---> edhu thevaiYa.
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Tue Mar 28 09:28:57 EST 2000
  
  srikanth,
  
  yes. itu tEvai. ocassional "things" (i don't get the correct word) like this help us in the long run. while decorum, decency and relevance are expected of every posting and poster (or postperson :-) ), censorship should not be used to "enforce" these. as a society we need to look at ourselves (or the mirror) from time to time; no censorship should rob us of such a right and previlege.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Tue Mar 28 10:35:11 EST 2000
  
  Udhaya: Way to Go! I concur with you 100%.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ host2.cvs.aa.net) on: Tue Mar 28 16:16:54 EST 2000
  
  arulji,
  how or where does this thread discuss something near to quality of music,
  How does bramincal accent help to improve (or bring down) the quality of a song!, can you tell me.
  
  Thinks would have been smooth, if one caste had not been singled out, something like
  Different kinds Dialects in tfm,
  
  Will you the tfm admin let me to start a topic in the Forum hub,
  Why the villians in tamil movies often have Christian names. (danny,alex, james),are they really bad in their real life!...(things will go turmoil)
  
  These kinds of topics can make think people in both the direction. (negative or postive).
  They spoil the communal harmony which had been very good since the birth of this forum.
  As MS (Murali Shanker -idhu oru confusion) put there were only things like msvism , rajaism, arrisiam (and other misc'isms)
  
  This topic is no way connected to music of anyform. Thats why I asked the admin is this topic really Required.
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ host2.cvs.aa.net) on: Tue Mar 28 16:31:21 EST 2000
  
  adding to above,
  --- as mentioned b4, I am not offended by this topic at all, like we say songs in madras tamil eg (va machan va,
  this is also a topic,
  thats all,
  but my only clamin is what place the music takes here ?
  
  
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Tue Mar 28 17:08:55 EST 2000
  
  hi srikanth,
  
  (enna domain mARip pOccu?) my understanding of your "itu" was this digression we have been having for the last few days, not the whole thread. i am not going to argue about improvement in the quality of a song due the usage of a particular dialect. my point was: someone was making a ---- (fill in your own words) of himself and udhaya gave an apt reply; this whole digression should be retained because such digressions help us evaluate ourselves (in a very large sense; not in a parochial tfm-alone sense). obscenities could be removed; not philosophical differences.
  
  i know this is not an unmoderated forum; udhaya and others voluntarily do the moderation whenever there is a transgression. we should not stop this if the health of this forum needs to remain at this high level.
  
  this is my last posting in this regard in this thread. an institution (be it a government or marriage) that has a strict policy of censorship is bound to fail miserably.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.132) on: Tue Mar 28 17:29:46 EST 2000
  
  Srikanth,
  I truly appreciate your gesture towards communal harmony, but I feel yours is a passive reaction to an overblown issue, in fact a non-issue that got overblown by an individual's misguided rage. If society starts repositioning itself to every asinine upraisal then it doesn't stand a chance being a democracy. This thread's topic is just as relevant as any other topic that gathers lists, like "Kannan songs", "Songs with IR as singer", etc. Though you or I may feel differently about the musical relevancy of one list over the other, we shouldn't dictate to the public what's a relevant topic (unless of course it has nothing to do with TFM, like "IR a follower of Ramana Maharishi").
  
  If we start telling people what topics they can post then this will not remain a public forum. My basic problem with people who object to a certain thread is simply this, "Why the hell don't they stay away from it?" Nothing prevented someone from starting a thread like, "TFM songs with Coimbatore dialect", or "Songs that exemplify the Devar community" (Vairamuthu has written several songs in this subject, a couple of them actually very good ones) or any other community.
  
  All this talk about communal harmony comes into place only if this topic had said something to the effect of "Brahmin dialect is the best dialect, everything else sucks". RV started this to gather a list of songs with a brahmin dialect. That's his wish, he can go about starting a thread on this by all means. He didn't put a gun to anyone's head to accept his thread without an alternative, nor did he assume airs of superiority nor denigrate another community by doing this.
  
  When I attended school, I sat with a select group of friends for lunch. If someone had come to me then and said that I couldn't sit with my friends because that someone didn't approve of my choice of friends, that someone would have been the object of my individual violence. Society has no business telling me what I can and can't appreciate or indulge in, provided that I don't denigrate or deny others' right to enjoy their freedom. What one chooses to appreciate is that individual's undeniable prerogative.
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ host2.cvs.aa.net) on: Tue Mar 28 19:34:21 EST 2000
  
  Udhya I support you totally,
  
  Can you give me an assurance that these kinds of thread will not serve as an invitation for trouble seekers. Thats the reason I requested page admin to change atleast the heading.
  
  Taking here for example MS1 was irritated and he posted and MS2 answered him something -- then you got in, I got in, arul got in posted something ...and we discussed something unwanted no way connected to tamil film music,
  and mind it all of us are very much capable of discussing about music, but forgetting that, we are going deep into this!...
  (imagine if the person is a trouble seeker, he/she would post some thing bad and newtfmpage admin will pop up at end like cops in tamil film and terminate this topic)
  
  
  

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