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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.0.3) on: Mon Nov 20 11:33:28 EST 2000
  
  actually Goldsmith won that award.
  
  :)
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Nov 20 11:44:31 EST 2000
  
  thats right..I also thought there were Carmina Burana like sounds in mudhalvan !!
  
  
• From: Nishu (@ 216.199.26.125) on: Mon Nov 20 13:35:17 EST 2000
  
  Hey Guys,
  check this link
  http://perso.club-internet.fr/brassy/PartMed/Carmbur/CarmBur.html
  
  Click Licet eger cum egrotis.
  
  This song(intro music) may be copied ARR for the song "Puthu vellai mazhi" Roja
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Mon Nov 20 15:15:14 EST 2000
  
  Nishu:
  
  Sorry to say this. But there is not even a minuscule of similarity.
  
  
• From: pg (@ 12.20.190.1) on: Mon Nov 20 16:22:43 EST 2000
  
  There is a small flute interlude in the song 'manjal nilAvukku indRu orE sugam' (mudhal iravu - rAjA). This is lifted from J.S.Bach's Badinerie.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.123) on: Mon Nov 20 17:37:13 EST 2000
  
  Actually the prelude for 'pudhu vellai mazhai' could have been inspired from "chariots of fire" theme music by Jarre(or Vangelis?)
  
  
• From: Shankar T (@ 206.222.96.195) on: Mon Nov 20 17:58:16 EST 2000
  
  I think Vijay is right, I heard "Chariots of fire" yesterday and I felt the same.
  
  Shnakar
  
  
• From: karikaalan (@ 138.67.22.80) on: Mon Nov 20 18:36:47 EST 2000
  
  Dear TFM Friends,
  
  Yesterday I heard an English pop song on radio.
  I guess that it is probably Michael Jackson's
  song. (I do not remember the song).
  
  But the thing which surprised me is:
  That song looks like "Kuluvaleye Muthu vanthallo.." of the moview Muthu. ARR copied
  this song.
  
  Can any one identify the right source?
  
  --Karikaalan.
  Noote:
  
  Hello S (@ 192.135.244.69)
  
  I agree with you. ARR does not go to Bethoven's level to copy a sonng.
  
  
• From: vimal (@ 63.80.57.4) on: Mon Nov 20 18:37:12 EST 2000
  
  Dudes,
  In the movie 'Piriyamanavale', our great Sri S.A.Rajakumar had copied the techno-hit 'Cocoa-Jumbo' with not an iota of shame. "Isai Vasandham" SAR Vaazhga!!
  
  
• From: sangar (@ 64.230.88.5) on: Mon Nov 20 19:51:07 EST 2000
  
  Cocoa - Jumbo may I know the link to listen
  
  
• From: hi (@ 64.230.88.5) on: Mon Nov 20 20:28:53 EST 2000
  
  Coco Jamboo
  
  http://www.spidernet.net/channels/media/artists/mr-president/coco-jamboo.ram
  
  
• From: hi (@ 64.230.88.5) on: Mon Nov 20 20:29:03 EST 2000
  
  Coco Jamboo
  
  http://www.spidernet.net/channels/media/artists/mr-president/coco-jamboo.ram
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 206.49.110.156) on: Tue Nov 21 01:00:06 EST 2000
  
  Can somebody tell me the source of the song from Mayi - Rasputin chorus.
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.203.137) on: Tue Nov 21 09:15:40 EST 2000
  
  Hi
  
  The song in Priyamanavale that you mentioned being copied is the song 'Welcome Boys' sung by Sukwinder Singh right ?
  I heard SAR is very particular that the title Melody King and Isai Vasandham has to be displayed in the movie title credits otherwise he gets upset it seems.
  But only SAR can regenerate and revive a old tune again and again so successfully that his songs somehow always stay in top 10
  SAR is great!! ;) Deva is great ;)
  All these fellows does the immense service of popularising pop,rap and all kinds of songs to tamil audience and remember u may be able to identify the original source but not all the pamaran so to them they are great MD
  
  
• From: karikaalan (@ 138.67.22.80) on: Tue Nov 21 15:18:37 EST 2000
  
  Dear Friends,
  
  I totally agree with UV.
  
  In these days Music Directors popularise
  pop, rap songs to tamil audience. In fact
  they copy from popular english, spanish, arabic
  tunes and the beats from those songs.
  
  Few years back we had good classical and folk
  music with different interludes and preludes.
  
  Who changed the trend ? Who accepted this trend?
  What made these recent MDs to do so?
  
  "Pamarans" do not bother about this. We only bother about this. These "digital" MDs make
  hell lot of money by copying other's music.
  These "techno-type" MDs are very great for those
  "Pamarans".
  
  I just recall words from "Pattukoottai" Kalyana
  Sundaram.
  
  "Thirudaraip paarththu thirunthaavittaal, thiruttai ozhikka mudiyaathu".
  
  If you want to listen to original and good music,
  the attitude of "modern-techno digital" MDs
  should be changed. (5% of inspiration/copying
  may be pardoned, not more than that).
  
  --Karikaalan
  
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Tue Nov 21 15:53:01 EST 2000
  
  Karikaalan,
  
  There is nothing wrong in popularising other genres of music(like pop,rap etc).In fact,music in a particular language shouldn't be restricted to few genres.It should be able to explore all the genres as long as tunes are not copied .But it is alright to be inspired to explore new forms of music.
  
  "pamarans" are restricted to very few genres of music.They should be exposed to more genres.Initially it will be difficult for them to accept it when it is new.But after some time they too will start seeing the pros and cons of it.Then,a tune will be appreciated irrespective of the genre.
  
  IMO,there is one techno-type MD who innovates with a lot of genres.He doesn't compromise on the genres 'pamarans' are used to, too.
  
  However,I agree with you in saying the attitude of the other techno-type MDs should change.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Nov 21 16:26:11 EST 2000
  
  I guess we should encourage new/all genres, but not at the cost of originality. I can give you an example from a different field. Many people build their webpages using scripts/images etc from others. In some, it is not integrated well, in some it looks good. But only when the author understands these scripts well, he/she will be able to create 'new' webpages that are good. Otherwise he will have to look/search the web for more scripts/cool stuff to put in a new web page.
  BTW, that song, I dont care whether it is POP/RAP but I cant understand whether it is tamil/english or a combo of these two language. Enna sukhwinder singh vAyila tandoori chickena vechchukkittE pAdarArA ? Ivaraivida nalla padagarE illaiya thamizh nattula ?
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Tue Nov 21 16:43:24 EST 2000
  
  Kiru,
  
  For a good webpage,there has to be a general theme(I like the word spirit) for which the pages are being built.If there is a authentic theme then the integration will take care of itself to create a very good application.
  
  Anyway,coming to the point,I think Thaiya Thaiya wouldn't have sounded better.He(SS) gave that divine sufi intensity to the song.I agree that Tamil was taken for a ride there.It is fair to criticize the Tamil kolai but it is not fair to discount the song on that one aspect.
  
  According to popular opinion,KJY, SPB,SJ or KSC may be the best singers.So,would it make sense to make them sing all the songs?Then how can we find National award winning caliber artistes like Unnikrishnan,Swarnalatha etc.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Nov 21 17:13:59 EST 2000
  
  Thaiya Thaiya is a good song. But I cannot see a 'sufi intensity' in that song. I think I could relate to something like that in NFAK's songs. Also, I liked the 'sufi' influence in Loreena Mckennit.
  Anyways, I was only talking about the SAR song. It is really bad, man. Unnikrishnan sings well (my wife's favorite singer). Actually, I am not the kind who goes for 'perfectly trained' voices. To me emotional angle is more important.
  
  
• From: karikaalan (@ 138.67.22.80) on: Tue Nov 21 19:03:43 EST 2000
  
  Hello Trend,
  
  In the name of new trend or popularising other genres of music(like pop,rap etc), we should not
  welcome nonsense music. It may be very "new" music
  to Audiances; but the depth of music, soothing effects are gone. At the same time the originality and creativity should be encouraged. Now a days, in the name of business, we are receving secondary stuff.
  
  Music is a medicine; Classical and nativity music
  has a "soothing" effect. But frankly tell me, how many time one can enjoy listening to rap and other
  nonsense music. It is not rap ; it is crap.
  
  At the same time we should always encourage
  Creativity (from whoever it may come) not the
  technical qualities.
  
  --Karikaalan
  
  
• From: gokul (@ 64.208.81.180) on: Tue Nov 21 19:31:29 EST 2000
  
  karikalan,100% correct on rap!....
  waiting for more arr copy list from you.
  
  ir's music rules everone, arr's music fools everyone!...
  
  
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Tue Nov 21 20:25:10 EST 2000
  
  It will be a joke if somebody says ARR composed music for "Pamaran". As of my knowledge ARR had some "Pamaran" songs only in Duet and Kilakku Cheemi...
  
  
• From: Kingko (@ 129.7.254.250) on: Tue Nov 21 21:09:23 EST 2000
  
  I don't think it would be appropriate to call songs based on carnatic ragas copied. MDs should strive bring out there originality in such songs but if they fail to then it should be branded as copied.
  
  Kingko
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.144.64.4) on: Tue Nov 21 22:31:16 EST 2000
  
  Fuming with indignation on hearing one kuppai called `salAm gulAmu'(film:Hello) on AIR, Cbe. I can't digest how AIR has gone down so much...fellows who acted high priests in those days by banning simple songs like `OrampO' (with absolutely no objectionable content) are coolly broadcasting such horrors...I think it's no longer the taxpayers /Govt. but the social criminals (read -viLambaradhArarkaL) that run AIR...
  
  Sorry for digression above, this song is heavily inspired from Chandrababu's `kungumappoovE', esp. the interludes...
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Wed Nov 22 15:19:30 EST 2000
  
  Karikaalan,
  
  "In the name of new trend or popularising other genres of music(like pop,rap etc), we should not
  welcome nonsense music"
  
  I thought I was pretty clear in saying if a particular pop song has a good rich tune then we should welcome it.
  The depth of music and soothing effect of a music depends a lot on how much we have been exposed to a particular genre of music.If we play our native music to a foreigner his comment would be something like "music is interesting but doesn't have depth".
  
  So we should be exposed to a particular genre of music to understand the nuances and the feeling it is trying to express.We should also note that the depth of music and soothing effects are found in different songs according to different people.
  That's why each people have their own favourite song.
  
  Personally,I don't like rap but there are people(my Tamil friends)who are obsessed with it.So it is not fair to discount any genre of music.
  
  I agree with you in saying we should encourage creativity first but then we should also encourage the technical qualities.Just b'cos my fav MD has a particular limitation it is not fair to discount that area as one of the parameters.
  
  

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