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Vani Jayaram's songs

Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)

"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."

Wow! Beautiful voice!

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Neel's VJ Songs

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• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67) on: Mon Aug 5 07:10:08 EDT 2002
  
  A few thoughts on the various posts on the best period of TFM.
  Point 1. You always tend to identify with the period of your high school as the best. Is it a case of nostalgia? same thing for the place you like the place where you had done schooling best- because probably that is the place you have continuously lived with the same set of friends. Growing up together & evolving as it were. On this assumption probably most of the people who post here seem to be 67 to 70 born.
  2. prior 1982 TV was not a big thing & music was to be heard & not seen. So you had to go to AIR or Radio Ceylon to listen. Cassettes had just come out but still out of reach. So you heard the song over & over again & had time to really appreciate a song. This is a habit I carry to this day so by the time I decide to buy a casette or CD it is generally out of market! I can't imagine how people wait for the cassette /CD to be released & buy it without hearing the contents!
  3. Post 88 with advent of cable in India we are now into hip sychedelic music where music is to be seen & subsequently heard in 20 sec promos. That would explain the huge success of Vaseegara ( with today's crowd in spite of the atrocious dance & why Narumugaye did not do well past the discerning)
  Probably we are going thro a phase wherby we are belittling the sixties . I find articles decrying S-J in Hindi and a similarity here. I honestly feel the late 50s to mid sixties were the best in TFM.
  Good & excellent songs have always been there but 50s to mid 60s( coinciding -or coexisting with Visu-Ramu's peak output.)
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67) on: Mon Aug 5 07:13:12 EDT 2002
  
  typo Psychedelic & not "sychedelic "
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219) on: Mon Aug 5 09:54:57 EDT 2002
  
  Friends,
  
  Vengayam's analysis appeals to me, but for a small hitch! I am a '58 born and nowhere near the 67-70 band given by him!
  
  Is the following duet by TMS-VJ by any chance?:
  
  "Kannazhagil naanum oru kaamatchi,
  Munnazhagil Then Madurai Meenaatchi,
  Ennazhagil innum enna aaraaychchi?
  Ennodu neeyaada vaa!"
  
  (One of those Chitramahal Krishnamurthy comedy films, may be "Thottathellaam ponnaagum", with may be Vijaya Bhaskar as MD.). If it is VJ, is this already covered in Saravanan's pre 1975 list?
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.170) on: Mon Aug 5 10:14:10 EDT 2002
  
  Vengayam, I finished +2 in 1988, so according to you, I should swear by the 80s. I still rate 70s as the best period in tfm. To each, his own--!
  
  C V, Kannazhagil neeyum oru kamatchi is from 'Unga Veetu Kalyanam'-1975. Chitra mahal K and VB are correct, but its a duet by TMS-SJ. However I did mention it while summing up VB's films in 1975, which didn't have VJ.
  
  Again, I had dwelt at length on 'Mazhaikkaala Megham' song in 1975. Thanks for the 'Kamaraj' connection.
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Aug 5 10:59:29 EDT 2002
  
  Saravanan -
  I've been reading Shelley's Queen Mab - hence the substitution between Hamlyn and Merlin (Merlin is that wicked Magician - you are on the spot with that.) See, even in ordinary times my memory does some flips...Thank god for all you considerate vigilantes! :-)
  
  Regarding Ek Nai Paheli: I had the misfortune of seeing that film. (I also saw Zara Si Zindagi = Varumayin Niram Sigappu) The basic flaw in that former was that KB couldn't make up his mind whether he wanted Hema Malini to be a Karnatak or Hindustani singer. As a result we got Hinudstak singer - mallippoo and big bottu, pattu selai, but singing hindustani based / influenced tunes. Secondly, Kamal did not have that youthful adolescence he had in AR. He looked spent, and his rage was not in sync with his age.
  The music was by L-P ( it should have been by Jaidev or Vanraj Bhatia, IMO ) and had all their usual trademarks. The Kelviyin Nayagane song was by Lata and Kavita (Yeh Preet Kaisi Paheli) - but just like their songs in Sur Sangam (Shankarabharanam) they did not make waves, not even ripples.
  
  Tidbit: VJ was offered the "young" girl's(rajalakshmi in telegu, when she is older) swarasancharam in the hindi version. Not any of the songs, just the scene where the father (Somayajulu/Girish Karnad) teaches his daugther during the mornings, when Manju Bhargavi / Jaya Prada starts dancing on the beachankarais!
  This insult to VJ (who had won the national award for the original with brilliant songs,) was how things worked when LM came on the scene. She was the lead singer in Sur Sangam, and KK was hired to do the "boy's" songs. VJ, of course, declined the offer.
  
  Vengayam - I wonder how much of your penchant for late 50s - early 60s ditties has to do with the popularity (and soulfulness) of PBS? :-)
  Nostalgia influences our preferences, especially when one revisits times past. However, to a discerning ear, music is period-less. I like Malarundhum Malaradha, as much as I like Pongum Kadalosai. But one has to admit that MSV was at his prime (as solo MD) during the 70s. The songs from that period are distinct from his Vis-Ram days.
  
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Aug 5 11:48:44 EDT 2002
  
  Ommission in the above: "nostalgia influences our preferences, especially when on revisits times past somewhat incessantly (and inevitably, as this thread is about VJ - who is a 70s-80s singer.)" I am sure the PS thread celebrates the 50s/60s as the peak."
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Aug 5 12:17:35 EDT 2002
  
  Source for "tidbit" : I believe it was Screen or Filmfare (I am 80% certain it was the former, but...) which reported this. Circa 1988.
  
  
• From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253) on: Mon Aug 5 14:42:50 EDT 2002
  
  
  NeelD,
  
  I find the Sridevi varam ketkiraal song in your homepage a little slow...Is it only me?
  
  
• From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250) on: Mon Aug 5 15:54:47 EDT 2002
  
  ***Sorry for the digression***
  
  AVR
  Regarding the question of PS singing the "Ezhu Swarangalukkul" in telugu, here goes the story: The movie is called "Thoorpu padamara" meaning east & west. This movie had two songs copied from Apporva Ragangal - Ezhu.. and Kelviyin. They are respectively "Swaramulu edainaa" and "Thoorpu padamara", both of them sung by PS. Now the swaramulu song, is not exactly an identical copy of Ezhu.., although clearly that song was copied almost 80%. Kelviyin naayaganae was also 90% copied as thoorpu padamara.
  
  Now, the music director of TP was Ramesh Naidu, a gifted composer, IMO. Why he chose to copy so blatantly two of the thamizh songs is not understood by me. I'm sure the director of this movie was not KB either. Or maybe he liked the original versions so much, he decided it was OK to plagarize them both. Both these songs are available on MIO. Also this movie, TP, has a "Jathiswaram" by VJ, a good one. But why "Swaramulu" was not given to VJ, beats me completely, can't understand it at all.
  
  This movie also has the famous "Sivaranjani" song which won many many accolades for SPB for his flawless rendition.
  
  All said, I still like VJ's version of the song. It's just somewhere. But thoorpu padamara was quite a popular movie with lovely songs in it.
  
  
• From: kik (@ 207.0.105.141) on: Mon Aug 5 21:30:05 EDT 2002
  
  vengayam: To spell out your logic a little bit more - someone born in 67-70 would have been 13-10 by the time 1980 came around. Are you seriously suggesting that people nostalgically remember what happened in the first 10 years of their life vs. what happened when they were 15-25???
  
  I listen to songs from the 30s to the 70s with an occasional foray into the 80s in both tamil and hindi - I do not claim that the 70s are the greatest period of tfm, but I do believe the 80s were definitely not that. IR's domination of the 80s led to an overall decline in compositions in terms of lyrics. I'd include orchestration and choice of singers as well although these are more arguable. Also, that gramaththu beat of his drives me nuts. BTW, I'm using the word 'believe' above deliberately to avoid closet IR fans from outing themselves and swamping this thread. The less said about the 90s and the 00s (naughties?:-) the better.
  
  
• From: enakku oru uNmai therinchaganum (@ 63.231.21.101) on: Mon Aug 5 22:33:18 EDT 2002
  
  what is "orchestration"?
  summa iruntha sangai oothi kedukanuma?
  
  
• From: Neel D (@ 24.98.42.169) on: Mon Aug 5 22:51:59 EDT 2002
  
  Saravanan,
  I just posted what was on the CD cover. I(t) could be wrong.
  
  Priya,
  After you mentioned it, it does feel slow. As soon as I find a better recording I will replace it. Till then bear with me.
  
  Vengaayam,
  In my opinion 60s was very good but lacked variety. Same with most of 80s. Late 80s simply failed to impress me. I better not elaborate on it. Early 90s showed a sign of improvement but alas there came a new trend. There was variety but zero quality, which still continues. I agree with Naaz that MSV's best came in the 70s. But MSV never got appreciated because there was kind of a snobbery going on with city dwellers listening to Bobby, Yaadon Ki Bhaarat, Satyam Sivam ....etc. Remember even Sripriya requests Kamal in "Aval Oru Thodarkathai" to sing a Hindi song. In any case, I have wondered myself if it was my impressionable age during the 70s that makes me like 70s the most. If that is true then I am very scared of the music taste children of today are developing.
  
  
• From: Neel D (@ 24.98.42.169) on: Mon Aug 5 23:30:25 EDT 2002
  
  I have uploaded a lovely song "O ri O Baansuri". The weddig series will continue tomorrow.
  http://www.vanijayaram.com
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67) on: Tue Aug 6 04:41:32 EDT 2002
  
  to all who replied to my theory . Thanks. i seemed to have goofed up when mentioning the year though- but still most of you have caught what I wanted to say. you tend to identify with the 12-16 year period as the best - unless you have read Lord of the Rings!.
  Saravanan,
  mellisai mannar was definitely appreciated. Don't worry on that count.
  Kadhalika neramillai, Karnan, aandavan katallai, Aaayirathil Oruvan, P Magal, Padagoti, Kudiyirundha kovil, panchavarnakilli , Kuzhandayum deivamum , saradha, Chitti all came in the sixties. I think you do find variety here.
  Naaz, Yes I do adore the voice of PBS but the remarkable genius of TMS with his pencil sharp voice -hope u understand- was also a perennial favourite. So that had no way influenced me.
  but what is there i am willing to give a couple of years may be upto 72/73.
  as I had mentioned elsewhere in the forum In Hindi The angry young man spelt the doom for music in Hindi ( MKS not withstanding) Thank goodness IR happened with Annakilli in 76(?) so TFM did not die out like HFM.
  But IR & AVM when they came back with Murattu Kalai started the stagnation.
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.225) on: Tue Aug 6 05:02:51 EDT 2002
  
  I feel, MSV was dominating till 76/77. Even QMSQMT , Tezab, Maine Pyar kia, Ashique were popular when IR was dominating. No need to mention the song "ek do teen". It doesn't mean IR was not doing well or Thamiz people were enjoying the hindi songs. MSV deserved the supremacy over that preiod and he got it also.
  
  

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