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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.244) on: Thu Oct 11 15:03:57 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks Jag...will check Master Venu out
  
  Common Friend...yes I remember your posting...even I felt that it was a permutation/combination of a Rajasthani folk tune...
  
  Good observations...Kiru and Bharath...
  
  Trend...it is the beginning line itself...I think it based on a raga that represents the emotion of pleading and calling for attention...IR is a master in this...he knows how to adopt specific ragas for specific situations as he himself has explained in an interview....
  ARR may have used the same technique...
  
  
• From: rf (@ 152.163.207.82) on: Thu Oct 11 15:52:30 EDT 2001
  
  Can someone please confirm this:
  
  Tenali song" Duet : Alangati Mazhai i think is the name, the pallavi is clearly a straight copy of Villakku vecha nerathile maaman vandhaan. (mundanai mudichu by IR!) just
  
  Then a song in Taj Mahal, the pallavi is also a complete copy of IR' some song in Telugu. If you will notice it is so IR, so very much! But, Taj Mahal some songs are exemplary tunes like Minsara Kanavu Broadway musicals. Anyway, please clarify
  
  
• From: dude (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Thu Oct 11 18:19:52 EDT 2001
  
  Fan,
  "o mama mama(minnale) = columbus(jeans)
  venmadhi ('""") = evano oruvan(alaipayuthey) "
  can you explain this because I can't figure that out.Is it the charanam or the pallavi or the beats.Can you kindly point out the exact point where it looks similar.Sorry I don't have that much knowledge to sense it once I hear them.
  Thanx.
  
  
• From: rf (@ 172.160.20.36) on: Thu Oct 11 19:28:00 EDT 2001
  
  Karisal Tharisal in Taj Mahal has the famous refrain of "I will be there'" a song popularised by Michael Bolton. But, Taj Mahal tunes are unbelievable! This guy does not believe in Indian idioms, instead has adopted western idioms and seems to be beating western composers at their own game. ARR could be a genius far different from the likes of any composer we have heard of.
  
  But, Kuluruthu Kuluruth is a clear IR song that ARR has unabashedly copied just like the Thenali tune of IR.
  
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.69) on: Fri Oct 12 10:02:30 EDT 2001
  
  Dude..
  
  I think Venmathi = Desert Rose
  
  Just play Desert Rose and hum Venmathi along with it...you will find the pitch adopted and certain parts of the melody are the same and both these songs have a Middle Eastern rhythm interludes.
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Fri Oct 12 10:26:46 EDT 2001
  
  "Yaaron Sun Lo Zara" sounds more like the song "yaaro pin paattu paada, ada thaalam naan paattil poda" by t.r.
  
  beginning only!
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: Maruthayi (@ 140.80.199.91) on: Fri Oct 12 11:11:37 EDT 2001
  
  Tamil Cinema is a Virus equivalent to Anthrax. It mass murders common Tamilian's thinking. With the same Panchayat, Nattaamai, Hero worship it is not going to change. So Let us resolve at this date not to see any Tamil movies
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 66.137.225.19) on: Sat Oct 13 15:50:45 EDT 2001
  
  rf i'll be there was sung by jackson 5 (MJ) and then by mariah carey and MJ's bro.. not bolton...
  
  btw i dont see similarity
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Mon Oct 15 01:34:32 EDT 2001
  
  Leo(@ 200.31.63.245) on:Mon Oct 8 13:35:12 EDT 2001 told
  
  ORIGINAL SONG: ARIYA PARUVAMADA MANA AMBAIYE
  VEESATHEDA MADHANA ARIAYA PARUVMADA .
  
  FILM:MISSIAMMA
  M.D.:S.RAJESWARA RAO
  
  NEW SONG: KANNAMUCHI YENADA EN KANNA
  FILM:KANDUKONDAEN KANDU...
  M.D.:A.R.REHMAN
  
  REHMAN POLISHEDLY COPIED THE ABOVE SONG.
  
  
  For that Common Friend replied on:Tue Oct 9 07:39:36 EDT 2001
  
  
  Leo:
  
  Intelligent you are...is n't it? The Kanna Moochci song is primarily based on naatta kurunji raagam. When, KKKK song was released this song was highly praised by many for the blend of this raaga and there was an article in some magazine about it. If you are talking about the raagam similarity then you have totally misfired it.
  
  
  
  But http://www.geocities.com/athens/forum/8424/carnatic/ragask.html#kharaharapriyaa lists the song ariyaa paruvamadaa of missiyamma under the raaga Karaharapriya. So, CF, if at all there is any inspration (or) "polished" copy then it cannot be the raaga usage. It might be the intelligent factor like what is told for Maargazhi poovae of May maadham (or) an illusion by Leo :-)
  
  
• From: Kantha (@ 161.139.38.226) on: Mon Oct 15 04:27:07 EDT 2001
  
  We know that ARR is always like to copy other music.Pity on him lah.No music knowledge.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Mon Oct 15 05:45:04 EDT 2001
  
  Long overdue from my side, but better late than never. Just managed to collect the available resources and start this page.
  
  www.geocities.com/i2fs/
  
  Of course, needs load sof more stuff, but a beginning has been made, nevertheless!
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Mon Oct 15 05:48:20 EDT 2001
  
  http://www.geocities.com/i2fs
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Oct 15 10:53:53 EDT 2001
  
  Karthik, Great job. Unless you have a particular goal, i understand, it is impossible to get anything productive done out of any activity. Your focus, as you claim, will surely lead to a better understanding of the process of composing a song. You are a valuable contributor to this forum. Best regards.
  
  
• From: Jeera (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Mon Oct 15 12:53:39 EDT 2001
  
  Karthik
  
  [i2fs] comments: Its my duty to add that a talk that SJ and IR exchanged songs (IR had supposedly 'given' the song 'Ilaya nila' to SJ!) has been doing the rounds for quite some time
  
  Is it SJ or KA who exchanged the songs - Ore Kuzhappam
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.129.199) on: Mon Oct 15 13:17:22 EDT 2001
  
  Karthik S and Jeera,
  Kasme Vaade is from Upkaar. MD Kalyanji-Anandji.
  
  Karthik S, urs is a nice site. My best wishes to u.
  
  
• From: Srikesh (@ 140.80.199.91) on: Mon Oct 15 13:56:09 EDT 2001
  
  Hi Guys,
  
  Can you imagine that Vijaykanth gets Rs. 4 crores for a movie? Is he worth that much money? Please don't watch his movies. Let's not spare a single paisa on him
  
  Thanks for readin
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Mon Oct 15 23:42:22 EDT 2001
  
  Sorry for the blunder on KA and SJ. Rectified!
  
  Thanks folks!
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Tue Oct 16 05:51:21 EDT 2001
  
  Just got a msg from a friend that IR had used the song 'Sunshine on a rainy day' by Zoe! Managed to dig a sample fo the song, but couldnt locate which song of IR is inspired! Any guesses...or was it just a hoax?
  
  http://www.homebass.ca/audio/samples/1920HR.mp3
  
  
• From: a (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Tue Oct 16 06:11:26 EDT 2001
  
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• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.144) on: Wed Oct 17 14:39:52 EDT 2001
  
  Guys ,
  this is from another thread(ARR's experiments) ,
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  " Oh! bhavree " from daud sounded like "oh! saaathe re".
  //
  I thought this is something worth checking out. They do have similar tune patterns for sure.
  
  
  Jag
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed Oct 17 16:16:24 EDT 2001
  
  jag,
  
  that was my posting. I have posted that in this thread a long time b4 ...no one responded
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.129.199) on: Wed Oct 17 16:24:26 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath, ippovum appidithaan aahum:)...just kidding.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Wed Oct 17 18:29:43 EDT 2001
  
  These two songs sound similar to me. The Daud song seems to be a 'clubmix' (danceclub style) of the older melody. If only the percussion were a little higher, this would be more obvious. Ofcourse, ARR does it tastefully. The song is also a good example of how rhythms have changed over time.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.96) on: Wed Oct 17 19:57:41 EDT 2001
  
  Karthik, as far as Akele Hum Aakele tum is concerned I believe all songs are one form of copy or another..in the song "aisa zakhm diya hai" the prelude guitar has been lifted froma Deep Purple number..trying to remember what the song is..
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Thu Oct 18 08:21:49 EDT 2001
  
  Take a peek at my site now! Got about 170+ songs listed across hindi and tamil. All spruced up in terms of content! I understand that there's isnt sufficient proof to prove the instance of copying/ inspiration in a majority of songs in my site, but only if I make it public will I get more info on them. My search on internet has almost dried up and I'm tired! I need shared knowledge from others to go further! Thats one of the main reasons why I went online with my huge list!
  
  http://www.geocities.com/i2fs/
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.96) on: Thu Oct 18 10:09:38 EDT 2001
  
  KS, add "adi anarkalai" from Ullathai Alli Thaa in your list..its copied from "in the summertime" by Shaggy boys..
  
  you can refer to the copied list maintained here in newtfmpage to spot missed ones..
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.96) on: Thu Oct 18 10:34:15 EDT 2001
  
  Some more (these are my personal observations, Iam pretty sure of them although you may choose to verify if you want):
  
  Mere dil gaayegaa Zoobie Zoobie from "Dance Dance" lifted by Bappi Lahiri from "Brother Louis " by Modern Talking..
  
  Prelude of "Tu mile Dil khile" from a song by Enigma (search GOOGLE to find the song name in TFM archives)
  
  a song in Koyla (I think it is "Tanhai Tanhai") by Rajesh Roshan..interludes and chorus flicked from "Conquest of Paradise" by Vangelis..
  
  "In the night no control" from Khiladiyon ke Khiladi flicked by Anu Malik from "Self Control" by Laura Branighan..this song pales in comparison to that peppy 80s number..
  
  'Paal nilavu kaainthathen" sung by JC from "Yaaro azhaikiraargal" inspired heavily from "The Model" by Man machine..I think the MD was SG..
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.96) on: Thu Oct 18 10:39:03 EDT 2001
  
  KS, I just saw your contributions to writeups in internet magazines, good work :-) you should try to send all these compiled flicked ones, especially tamil songs, to a tamil magazine, Anandha vikatan or something like that..Ii think they will definitely take a serious look at that..
  
  

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