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Vairamuthu`s frustration with ARR>>>

Topic started by suren (@ abdbb0ad.ipt.aol.com) on Fri Mar 17 07:22:07 EST 2000.
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I read an article on Kandukonden Kandukonden`s audio cassette release function in todays online Hindu in "talk of the town" section.VM sems to be very much frustrated with ARR especially the way in which his lyrics are treated by ARR of late!. Is it his response to the comment about the so called `lyrics` in Alaipayudhe?. Infact VM seems to have quoted the songs of "kandukonden Kandukonden" as one those examples. Guys, any comments.

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• From: suren (@ spider-we041.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Apr 12 08:51:52 EDT 2000
  
  Well VM seems to be misssing Tenali completely!(todays HINDU)
  Is ARR trying to do what IR did 15 years ago? May be a knee jerk reaction from ARR?
  By the way," Ayiram kodi" from Karisakattoo poove is simply superb!
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.26.235) on: Wed Apr 12 08:56:54 EDT 2000
  
  suren:
  
  we cannot conclude. A similar thing happened with Kaathal dhEsam too in which (I think) all the songs were by vaali.( some were real gems - thendralE, oh veNNila)
  
  
• From: Swami. (@ proxy2.ericy.com) on: Wed Apr 12 10:41:59 EDT 2000
  
  Suren ---> 'naan vakapattu' songula first interlude, Mani padathulla missing. Mani "alaipayuthe" song composing pothu yenge pooneenga.
  
  'alaipayuthe' is releasing in Dallas this Friday. I shall give a revie once I see the movie. Mani is just too good in romance. Hope he doesn't disappoint as he did in the songs.
  
  //Swami.
  
  
• From: PRIYAN (@ 203.76.17.27) on: Wed Apr 12 12:16:41 EDT 2000
  
  A big "hi" to all the musiclovers.This topic is an excellent one.My support is for vairamuthu, jeez this guy is genious.He has written one of the best lyrics of all time.His frustration with ar rehman is very reasonable, particularly with alaipayuthe and KK.I just can"t understand why this bloke ar rehman bringing all sorts of singers from outside tamilnadu.Its not their fault,because they don"t know tamil.For example this track 'yaro yarodi' from alaipayuthe is absolutely nonsense ,we hardly understand what they are singing.So in future, Mr Rehman would you please record tamil songs with singers who can understand tamil,thus avoiding irritation from vairamuthu.
  
  
• From: ECHO (@ hobbiton.org) on: Wed Apr 12 14:01:34 EDT 2000
  
  Yea, absolutely. he is writing songs for all the times, "kannadasan sonnanka.. vairamuthu sonnanga", "ithu kamban kanatha sinthanai", "kannadasan sonnathunka... ------ naan kandu sonnathunka", "ennai mattum iruthile kandu kollungal."
  
  
• From: En Kaelvikkenna Badhil? (@ ip155.montreal8.dialup.canada.psi.net) on: Wed Apr 12 22:00:27 EDT 2000
  
  So,
  
  Does this feud lead to IR + Vairamuthu action. With ARR going to UK, does this favour to getting very good melodies from this duo, like in those days of 1980's except it is 2000(does time matter for delivering creativity?).
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Thu Apr 13 11:44:11 EDT 2000
  
  Is there a tamil word for Olive? I have seen many people criticise VM's lyrics "i viral idukkil olive yennai poosi sevaigaL seiya vendum"... I dont see anything grossly "non-tamil" in this sentence. May be, a tamil-word could have been substitued for "Olive" - but whether it would have conveyed the same meaning, if any, is doubtful.
  
  The same is the situation with "strawberry kanne".. I am unable to find a tamil equivalent of "strawberry". But it is certainly questionable if "strawberry" is a right word to describe some one's eyes. "kayal vizhi", "maan vizhi" are all common forms of usage.
  
  
  
  
• From: suren (@ ad13-s16-204-180.cwci.net) on: Fri Apr 14 14:26:38 EDT 2000
  
  SIVAPPU KUVALAI...(strawberry)!!!
  
  
• From: ECHO (@ hobbiton.org) on: Fri Apr 14 15:27:55 EDT 2000
  
  "Nagaresu Kanchi" .......... guess what .. SUN TV interview, so praise -----! :)
  
  
• From: ECHO (@ hobbiton.org) on: Fri Apr 14 15:37:04 EDT 2000
  
  "Every year National award should be given to Tamil songs(me??)!"
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.145) on: Sat Apr 15 01:31:04 EDT 2000
  
  chandy!
  `Olive oil'kku Thamizh :`oliva eNNai'
  Olive tree : `oliva maram'
  Olive mountains (hills?) : `oliva malai'; near Jerusalem:-)
  
  
• From: NaNbaN (@ 1cust201.tnt1.irving2.tx.da.uu.net) on: Sat Apr 15 02:51:25 EDT 2000
  
  LOL@Suren
  
  NaNbaN
  
  
• From: suren (@ 98a9827e.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Apr 16 15:21:41 EDT 2000
  
  NaNbaa...tHaNkS
  
  
• From: Siddarth (@ dynip67.nat.ulm.edu) on: Thu Apr 20 22:17:00 EDT 2000
  
  hi chandy and other friends,
  u guys have started a very good topic. it is absolute nonsense ARR using singers who don't know (i mean pronounce) tamil. this female saadhana sargam doesn't even have slightest knowledge how to pronounce tamil words. her numbers with ARR are big blunder. and even when our singers do not pronounce correctly sometime. do u all remember the dialogues read by aravindswamy in iruvar? they were really nice lines but destroyed by aravindswamy's pathetic pronunciation.
  
  
• From: Siddarth (@ dynip67.nat.ulm.edu) on: Thu Apr 20 22:22:07 EDT 2000
  
  sorry for the discontinuity in some lines in the above message. and guys, in the strawberry kanne song, prabhudeva and gang are supposed to comment and tease about kajol's looks. that's why they say she has got a pair of strawberry sized or shaped eyes.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ bogie10.slip.yorku.ca) on: Fri Apr 21 00:01:43 EDT 2000
  
  Vairamuthu...a genius??
  Vaayikku vanthapadi kaduppaadillaama aladiravaikku pEr velaiyathavaiyye, not genius. Kandathu kaana kathaichiddu ippa mollikiraar:-)). Whatever said, it was pretty rude of him to talk on stage about that issue, when he could have done so without controversy alone with ARR. I can't help but think that the guy was just looking for some publicity. I mean, just think of how many newspapers carried this news with scope!
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.142) on: Fri Apr 21 05:11:27 EDT 2000
  
  aruvi!
  He's telling `genious' and not `genius':-)
  
  
• From: ECHO (@ hobbiton.org) on: Fri Apr 21 13:44:44 EDT 2000
  
  Q : Have u ever borrowed kamban thoughts?
  A : I did for a song in palaivanacholai so the Rs. 50 of Rs. 500, the money I was paid, should go to him.
  :))
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Fri Apr 21 13:55:40 EDT 2000
  
  eden,
  
  Snehidane song has the word "olive yennai" and NOT "olive oil"
  
  Btw, "olive" word's tamil equivalent "oliva"-ndra vishayam engirundu pidicheenga? thats news to me! :)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Fri Apr 21 14:38:02 EDT 2000
  
  chandy:
  
  I think it the word "oliva" is used in tamil version of bible. Eden, please correct me if I am wrong.
  
  
• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Fri Apr 21 14:39:23 EDT 2000
  
  Vaayikku vanthapadi kaduppaadillaama aladiravaikku pEr velaiyathavaiyy"
  
  Is this any implication of the reputation I have in DF ?
  
  
• From: bb (@ franck.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Apr 21 16:25:35 EDT 2000
  
  vElai:-)
  
  
• From: edr (@ bkj-cache82.jaring.my) on: Fri Apr 21 21:37:27 EDT 2000
  
  i saw alaipaayuthey near Hawaii beach yesterday!
  eppa ... very high tide????
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.147) on: Fri Apr 21 23:35:15 EDT 2000
  
  Chandy & MS!
  Yes, the usage is at least 100 years old:-)
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ cairo15.slip.yorku.ca) on: Sat Apr 22 22:52:43 EDT 2000
  
  velai
  NO:-). There's a difference between comedy and idiocy:-)
  
  
• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon Apr 24 11:39:36 EDT 2000
  
  thx aruvi. uchchi kuLirnthathu :-)
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.151) on: Tue Apr 25 05:24:25 EDT 2000
  
  One interesting observation on the recent `word combining' of VM: I'm referring to `muththa nivAraNam' in `mudhalvannnne; an extremely impressive combination of words, but apparently has a usage error (or suggestive mischief?) as explained below:
  
  `XXXX nivAraNam' can loosely be translated as `relief' or `redemption', `easing out' etc from XXXX difficult situation, condition. Popular usages are:
  
  `vaRatchi nivAraNam' : relief from drought
  `veLLa nivAraNam' : relief from flood
  `pAva nivAraNam' : redemption from sin
  `dhukka nivarthi' : conclusion of the grieving period by the bereaved
  
  Going by this usage, my `sitRaRivu' fails to get answers for the following questions related to `muththa nivAraNam':
  
  1. Why should the longing wife get herself a relief from `muththam', is it so difficult a thing to tolerate, like drought and flood?
  
  2. OK, granted she wants to get relieved of the `difficult' condition of `muththam', what is the suggested remedy:-) (This why I called the phrase a `suggestive mischief')
  
  Can someone with a better `aRivu' (that is at par with VM) clarify?
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Tue Apr 25 09:43:02 EDT 2000
  
  eden :
  
  I think what VM intended was "muththam" as a nivARanAm. not nivARanAm from muththam
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: pentium (@ leeta.wellsfargo.com) on: Tue Apr 25 15:36:29 EDT 2000
  
  i have read the reviews here and most of the time i have noticed that most the participants have no proper music knowledge and they have opnoins that are biased they do not appreciate the technicality of the music be it illayaraja or rehman i have worked with rehaman and have known him from when he was called by the name dilip he is a great muscician and ilayaraja is a great muscician too they have brought singers from the north too both of them why do u guys just blame rehaman for bringing these singers
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp01.sprint.com) on: Tue Apr 25 15:58:12 EDT 2000
  
  pentium: Just curious! Did you work with Ilayaraja in the creation of the song 'maNNil indha kaadhalandri....":-)
  
  
• From: MS(@letus.forego.com) (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Tue Apr 25 16:16:52 EDT 2000
  
  pentium:
  
  vittuth thaLLunga. yEhtO kaththuk kuttinga pEsattumnu :-)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.65) on: Tue Apr 25 16:27:24 EDT 2000
  
  pentium,
  Please use a comma now and then, dude. I'm gasping for breath here. We would love to hear you share your knowledge. Why don't you?
  
  
• From: Pentium III (@ 205.252.37.3) on: Tue Apr 25 16:37:28 EDT 2000
  
  Pentium, it is spelled M-U-S-I-C-I-A-N !
  
  
• From: pentium (@ leeta.wellsfargo.com) on: Tue Apr 25 18:12:05 EDT 2000
  
  guys all of us do make spelling mistakes while typing and also we are not having an english grammar test here to check commas and stuff .you know what the desi's here are in california are spoiling the name of indians with their english. i dont see anything wrong with missing a few commas when they can do so many mistakes
  
  

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