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Topic started by Mukund (@ sdwwwgw01.sd.nmp.nokia.com) on Sat Oct 3 20:06:55 EDT 1998.
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Everyone is pretty bored and fed up with arguing on differences of opinions regarding MDs right ? After all typically, what would we TFMers discuss suppose we meet in person ?. Song discussions right ? So here is the thread.

Idea is someone will introduce a song and we all will discuss about the song, period. Limitation is we will automatically move to another song after 5 days of discussion. ie. anyone contributing to the thread after the first set of 5 days will have to come up with a new song!. Also whoever is starting first can state the ending date of five day period.

Some help from Ravi is required for this until some time for people to really start adhering to this.

BTW why 5 days ?? Obviously to keep the thread fresh and alive !!

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• From: Ramki (@ 141.218.96.67) on: Wed Nov 11 09:50:07 EST 1998
  
  Aruvi MSV never spoils a song using wrong instruments or unwanted orchestration. He gives more importance to the lyrics and the singers voice.This way he never spoils the mood of the song
  
  
• From: raja (@ spider-te052.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Nov 11 16:12:01 EST 1998
  
  Just wondering if the words
  
  ilam kanniyarai oru malar endraanae
  karpanai seidhaanae
  - had any deeper meaning..
  
  I remember discussing this in detail in college. Cannot elaborate .
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ l-1d29-06.engr.sc.edu) on: Thu Nov 12 23:42:45 EST 1998
  
  Dear Raja,
  
  The reason why "kanniyar" are equated to malar:
  
  A flower remains as a bud, slowly grows in green and just before the blossom aquires a good tint. The "sugandham" or the redolence of the flower known as "MaNam" in Tamil, is ready for reaching miles only after it blossoms. In fact if I say it in tamil it shall be more apt:
  
  "Oru malar virindha udan MaNakka thayaraagindradhu"
  
  Read the above line replacing malar with "peNN". A flower is soft in texture,sweet in smell and beautiful in appearance (just like a girl though smelling sweet... is not applicable literally). Once a girl reaches the physical stage of adolescence she is ready for marriage, but does not marry immediately. She waits patiently displaying her beauty for the best to come and get her. Similar is the "malar" which waits after blossom for the right time to get into pollination. After pollination it bears the fruit which shall generate another of its own kind. It is similar to the act of reproduction in the humans.
  
  
  I think the comparison of a flower with a girl has these interpretations and hence the greats have always compared the "kanniyar" with "malar' which remains toi be bred.
  
  Regards
  
  Murali Sankar
  
  
  
• From: pee soo (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Fri Nov 13 00:14:07 EST 1998
  
  Murali Shankar: great explaination! Kudos!
  
  
• From: raja (@ spider-wj033.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Nov 13 07:17:16 EST 1998
  
  MuraliShankar:
  
  Thanks.
  
  
• From: raja (@ spider-ti081.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Nov 13 08:15:35 EST 1998
  
  Has anyone felt that kamban yemaandhan is musically not that great - IMO - but the lyrics and KB's direction with Kamal and Sumitra characters in the movie that made this a hit. Anymore movies with similar characters?
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.28.17) on: Fri Nov 13 16:27:23 EST 1998
  
  Since there had been no resistance for my request, I am proceeding to discuss "Nalam Vaazha". This discussion was placed in some other thread for which i was told by Ravi that it is a misfit. hence i am putting it here only to evoke a fruitful discussion. hope takers do not mind.
  
  The topic I shall take for discussion is "Nalam Vazha Ennaalum en vazhthukkal". This is one of the brilliant songs in terms of lyrics and music. It is supposed to be the favorite of KJ. I would like to humbly present before you some of my interpretations. This song is aptly blended with the situation of the film and is really a gem. It can also be discussed from the BGM point of view.
  
  The song starts after Revathi (R) breaks up with her husband and tries to find solace in the words of Arvind Swamy (AS). When she enters the room of his,she finds him waiting anxiously with the birthday candles lighted on the cake. She is very much surprised to know that he - a man, had taken pains to give her a party on her Birthday.She feels uncomfortable as she had suffered a setback from her husband just before. She is of the opinion that "Male chauvinism" had really ripped her off. This is exemplified by the lines of the song "Nalladhor Veenai Seidhae" which read "Poomaalai Oar tholil thaan poda ninaippaaal penn...Aaan kooda penn vazhvadha , adhai naamum panbenbadha, idhu nyayama?" Hence she is not able to digest the unprecedented love coming from an unexpected corner.
  
  The "Nalam vaazha" song starts with the guitar note slowly flowing and we find that though there is an initial overtone of sadness in the notes the concluding piece of the guitar is indicative of celeberation.
  
  "Nalam Vaazha Ennalum Envazhthukkal"
  
  and the other lines are normal lines in the praise of the B'day girl. If we have noticed properly the joyous tone is reflected when SPB sings "Oho ho O hoho". OBSERVE that this humming is NOT repeated in any other part of the song later. It was included to just emphasize on the fact that AS is still in a happy mood. Next comes the flute. This still has the jumpy overtone. Till that moment the divorce document had not been shown by R to AS. Hence the mood of AS is still is happy. Once she shows, please note that there is a sharp rise and fall of violins which represent the tides in the heart of AS. He is distressed that his girl is in distress. At the same time there comes a way to fulfill his own wish of having her. A mixup of emotions - relief and sadness with each peaking alternatively is beutifully spoken through the violins. But at last he is reminded that he is the only form of solace for her. It is his duty to mollify her rumbled feelings. Once he decides to do that, the violins take a smooth return to the normal consoling mood.
  
  "Manidhargal sila neram niram maaralaam
  Manangalum avar gunangalum thadam maaralam
  Ilakkanam sila neram pizhaiyaagalaam
  Ezhudhiya anbu laakiyam thavaragalam"
  
  These lines are the poetic way of expressing the consolation. We would have observed at any death, the relatives say "Ellaam oruppolae irukkama, adhu adhu vidhippadi nadanthay theerum, naethikku eppadi irundhavan innikku ippadip poyittarae". Try seeing this line from that angle. The things change and change is an inherent property of the nature. Anything may happen at anytime is the philosophy.
  
  "Viral galaith thaandi valargindra pozhudhu
  Nagangalai naamum narukkuvathundu
  Idhilenna paavam,Ethrkindha kolam,"
  
  This line, if I am right has been borrowed from Kannadhaasan. The example is highly practical and is probably the best poetic interpretation of the fact that once something on its own accord goes unchecked need to curbed and this is no sin. This tells R that her snapping her ties with her husband is a natural outcome and there is need for expiation or regret. Please note that he first convinces her that what she has done is for her good - though he does not make that explicit it is for his good too. It is on this platform that he tries to put before her his proposal which is given by the next part of the song. It is preceded by an interlude which starts with a romantic air about the guitar piece but culminates in a slow flowing violin orchestration. There are no sharp ups and downs but only smooth crests and troughs. This shows the serenity and maturity of the mind of AS who is all set to show his incline.
  
  "Kizhakkinil dhinam thondrum kadhiraanadhu
  Maraivadum pibu ezhuvadhum marabaanadhu
  Kadalinil uruvaagum alaiyaanadhu
  Vizhuvadhum pinbu ezhuvadhum Iyalbaanadhu
  
  These two lines stress that;
  
  "It is natural for the sun to rise and set
  It is natural for the tides to rise and fall
  Why in the world are you sad as all these are as natural as the sadness and happiness of life? they are bound to come in cycles. Nothing shall be permanent in this ever changing world."
  
  The forthcoming lines are the mildest forms of proposals that a man can place before his lady love.
  
  "Nilavinai Nambi iravugal illai
  Vilakkugal Kaattum Velichchaththin Ellai
  Oru vaasal modi maruvaasal vaippan Iraivan"
  
  "My dear lady? Does the night shine by the sheen of moon? The moon shall in due course, wax and wane, but the lanterns are there to lead thy life. When a door closes, it is by the will of the almighty that the another , a better one, opens and life shall be eternally peaceful."
  
  By this he tries to convey that what if her husband had deserted her, he is always present to take her in his hands to give her a life full of affection and content. He is the another Gate which shall open if she wishes.
  
  I have probably taken a long time to discuss. Please put forward you critical remarks so as develop a better undertanding of the song. If you feel that there is a mixup of lyics please note that the lyrics in this order seem to be more meaningful and continuous and this too is my personal opinion.
  
  Thank you for patiently going through the stuff.
  
  Regards
  
  Murali Sankar
  
  
• From: SitaRam (@ portal.ameritech.com) on: Fri Nov 13 16:48:59 EST 1998
  
  Who is Nalam Vazha's MD?
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.74) on: Fri Nov 13 17:06:18 EST 1998
  
  IR!!!
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss03.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Fri Nov 13 18:24:15 EST 1998
  
  Sweeter violins and classical guitar can never be heard ! That was a wonderful description Murali Sankar ! Everything was wonderful about the song except the way AS kept thumping his fingers on the guitar half-heartedly. But I guess that would not have appeared odd to most people. The candle-lit room especially was a novel idea (must've been really hot in there, though :-)). The original song in Hindi (was it Arth ?) was a Ghazal kind of song by Jagjit, I think. One of the very few instances where the remake and the original both sound great. Technically though, I think IR was eons ahead.
  
  Murali Sankar:
  I never interpreted this songs as a proposal from AS to Revathi ! But that's perhaps because I have not seen the movie. Just a small correction, I think the line goes "...Viralgalai thaandi, valarnthadhai kandu...". One of my all time favourite songs, definitely ! Don't you think even the recording was better than most of IR's songs ? Even in the same movie, "Ellorukkum..." seemed to to have been poorly recorded.
  
  BTW, wasn't this movie released simultaneously with 'Roja' ?
  
  
• From: dhan (@ dajal.legato.com) on: Fri Nov 13 19:37:58 EST 1998
  
  Murali Shankar:
  only a small correction, the singer is SPB. Murali your discussion of the song is very beautiful and quite apt. The picturisation of the song too need special mention. Balu Mahendra uses very soft colours and sublime decors with candles to convey the mood of the song. If you notice the shots, every frame of R and AS is neatly done with a great visual balance. Only thing is, IR came up with a tune is a bit strong(!) for the ambience, I mean, the song is essentially indoors, that too being sun in the night time amidst candles, in a very small apt of hero, the scale seems to be on a higher side. But SPB rendering is unparallel, as usual!
  
  

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