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Vani Jayaram's songs

Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
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I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)

"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."

Wow! Beautiful voice!

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Neel's VJ Songs

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Responses:

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• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Tue Jun 4 08:39:15 EDT 2002
  
  Azad B
  
  Avr has been a good & worthy contributor.His views have brought in the necessary balance.He has managed to put forward good arguments in favour of HFM.
  
  I think you better go thru the earlier posts.
  
  
• From: Azad B (@ 209.11.42.194) on: Tue Jun 4 09:52:51 EDT 2002
  
  OISG, hello!!I stand by my opinion!! Making Authority statements demands more and not only "what sounds native to my ear or not." How scientific or educated that is?!! There are not many urdu hindi sanskrit speaking/native here in the forum. naaz was one educated linguist with solid HFM/TFM credits but he wisely took leave from the forums many weeks back. Avr, is no authority IMO. Only opinions, nothing else.
  Mangeshkar games are known all over the country from my generation of 40s, so denying it will be stating corruption in India is a lie!!! How mad!! If you are a great singer you are automatically a great human?? Good way to see the world!!
  I also appreciate music and songs in many languages I cannot speak thoroughly understand but I am not a authority as my qualification is only hindi ,urdu,sanskrit and civil engineering!! I know my own limitation so I keep my mouth sealed and listen to informed and established people in the music field so I don't have to be apologizing for my ignorance in the future like avr.
  Enjoy the bias!! Many examples are available in the back pages of this discussion forum if you read carefully. I have the time and can cut/paste examples. the most current example is here...
  "Because I hate all southis....bla bla bla."
  Only one insulting word for whole south indian cultures and people "southi"!! replacement for "madharasi" or "thambi" or "idlidosa"!!!
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.140.67) on: Tue Jun 4 11:14:57 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz
  I was one of those who asked you to return to this forum, but I never expected you to take a new incarnation.
  Please stop fooling people and resume taking your original identity.
  
  I am sure people will be magnamious enough to forget the past and will welcome you back into the fold.
  
  Please do not insult our intelligence any further.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Tue Jun 4 11:44:24 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz
  
  Vara vendiya nerathila kattayam varanum
  
  ellenna Kuzhappangal than minjum.
  
  ROTFL
  
  My englese is not good.But i can make out whether it is Naaz or not.This Civil Engineer from Almorah does not sound like Naaz .(though his language has improved by leaps and bounds since the FIRST Azad post!)
  
  
• From: Azad B (@ 209.11.42.194) on: Tue Jun 4 21:03:35 EDT 2002
  
  OISG, ROFTL
  "Please do not insult our intelligence any further." ???
  "Vara vendiya nerathila kattayam varanum
  ellenna Kuzhappangal than minjum." ???
  "My englese is not good.But i can make out whether it is Naaz or not.This Civil Engineer from Almorah does not sound like Naaz .(though his language has improved by leaps and bounds since the FIRST Azad post!)"
  
  Please can you explain the meaning of the tamil? sentences?
  My langueage is improving?? I am trying to my level best in translating my hindi and urdu thinking in english, and my granddaughter neha is also hepling me sometimes in this postings. She mentions also that I am more afraid about my english expressions because I am always thinking of other peoples laughter at my attempts!! Is that a bad thing to you?? Please excuse the many grammar errors that is my humble request. Maybe I can now just keep quiet and just read others posts like before!! Sorry for the tourble to you all.
  
  
• From: Azad B (@ 209.11.42.194) on: Tue Jun 4 21:18:08 EDT 2002
  
  OISG, if the post is personal post to naaz no need to explain to me, i was thinking it was some link to me...is naaz posting again here in any forums? Why ROFTL is saying new incarnation?? some confusion there?
  No problems. I am shutting up my mouth and computer now!!
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Jun 5 00:23:08 EDT 2002
  
  Azad B:
  
  You have again conveniently avoided all questions that I asked you. Of course, I did not expect answers from you, because I know you have none.
  BTW if you havent heard of the good reports about the personality of the two sisters, then you are being ill-informed and that is like saying that the statement: "good Samaritans exist in India" is a lie.
  
  I like the way you avoided my heaps and heaps of praises for South Indian music and TFM in general. BTW...you will soon realise that what I say might have a speck of truth if you were to do an archival search of an HFM thread. But let us leave that aside.
  
  The fact that you keep on digging up posts of yore and quote only the bits that are comfortable for you, is what is extremely irritating. Moreover if someone says something that you dont agree with, you keep abusing that person. Why did you pass snide remarks against me or BM? What makes you reach the impetuous conclusion that BM is musically ill-informed. He might well be a trained classical singer and an informed poster. Why did you rubbish his opinions?
  
  I know my own limitation so I keep my mouth sealed and listen to informed and established people in the music
  
  Is Ilayaraja informed in music? No? Yes? then why cant you protest against Naaz's claim that IRs/ARRs choice of singers is erroneous these days?
  
  Why did you say that today's music is kachhra (garbage)? Do you mean to say that people like IR,ARR, Vishal Bharadwaj, ismail Darbar, Vidyasaagar have no knowledge of music?
  
  However I am surprised that you have a Master's degree in Hindi, while you are a Civil Engineer.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Jun 5 00:25:48 EDT 2002
  
  ----Because I hate all southis....bla bla bla."
  
  Only one insulting word for whole south indian cultures and people "southi"!! replacement for "madharasi" or "thambi" or "idlidosa"!!!
  
  There you go again. If a person hails from North, he is a Northie, right? Is it insulting? If I am from Gujarat, I am a Gujarati. So if I hail from the South of India, I am a Southie. If you object to the spelling mistake in "southi", then thats a separate issue.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed Jun 5 00:54:49 EDT 2002
  
  Azad B
  
  It was indeed a personal post for Naaz to avoid confusions.ROTFL feels that you are indeed Naaz!
  
  As for the language Naaz has an impeccable and almost faultless language.Even People who do not concur with him have to accept this.
  
  I think the fight with AVR is taking the thread to nowhere.Understand the fact there are many "TFM
  Talibans" apart from you(forgot to add.. that includes me!!).
  
  
• From: Azad B (@ 209.11.42.194) on: Wed Jun 5 06:44:10 EDT 2002
  
  OISG, my dear fellow!!
  Thank you a lot for your message to me. I am not posting inthe forum here to fight battles with avr or anybody.. I can only say rubbish is rubbish as to my 63 yrs of knowledge facts are facts!!
  VJ has super hindi and sanskrit and urdu pronunciation. eg. g.v.iyer movie Bhagavad Gita and pt.ravishankar MD of Meera. I also having VJ and pt.Birju Maharaj audio tape of Hori songs with excellent native flavour brij from south-indian born singer!! VJ also sings LM song Aaja re pardesi (madhumati) in Guddi movie. You can listen and check pronunciation!! I cannot say about VJs south-indian pronunciation as I am not native from south indian state. I have degree in sanskrit and hindi/brij and second post-graduate degree in engineering. So I am able to point something regarding north indian languages in confident manner. Mangeshkar HFM politics is famous just like the two sisters!! Also TFM page bio about VJ is including this fact!! You can deny if you want, but it is well established fact. If southindians are feeling ok with name like "southie" or "madharasi" "mallu" that is good!!! I am unable to call my friends in maharashtra state or goa "westie" or people from orissa as "eastie" or gujarat as "gujju". In my understanding that is a big insult and showing no region respect. I am not liking personally to be named "northie" or "uttari"!! Uttar Pradeshi Indian is accepted!! And also native of UP.I only was showing some bias issues in the TFM forum nobody was opposing and in this thread, only naaz was showing courtesy and tolerance to the posts by childish people answering with explanation patiently. I am feeling sad to see good thought posters are getting few and few in TFM discussion!!
  my good luck wishes to you and all the other friends. I am not going to post in this forums again. Be happy my fellow bharatis!!
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Jun 5 06:56:47 EDT 2002
  
  VJ also sings LM song Aaja re pardesi (madhumati) in Guddi movie. You can listen and check pronunciation
  
  ROTFL....ROTFL. Its Lata singing it herself in Guddi. Whoa whoa whoa. U cant differentiate between the two voices. Good god!
  
  In my understanding that is a big insult and showing no region respect. I am not liking personally to be named "northie" or "uttari"!! Uttar Pradeshi Indian is accepted!!
  
  You are eccentric aren't you!
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Jun 5 07:00:16 EDT 2002
  
  azad b:
  
  as u cant answer my questions, u chose to run away, did you? :-)
  
  
• From: Azad B (@ 209.11.42.194) on: Wed Jun 5 07:35:42 EDT 2002
  
  avr, this is final post from me....my guddi cassette does not say LM it is saying VJ!! I am also older senior so I can sometimes confuse details or voice that I can admit!! I will listen to the tape again today afternoon and I can admit the confusion. It does not make VJs hindi bad just because I got wrong in identification with one song??? Bol re papi hara is also super pronunciation IMO. Also Aye ri main tho prem diwani or bala main bairaagan hoongi of meera or latest kahe ko churayee mori bindiya on neels page!! Wait to get to be my age dear man!! All thread forum people can see how your message tone and wordings to me is. You can be laughing now but remember somebody else will laugh at you also when you make accidental mistake in old age!!!
  Eccentric??Showing respect for other regional indians is eccentric?? My tamil and south indian posters here can pay attention to this!!
  Running away from your questions?? No dear man!! Your many questions answered many times, again and again in previous pages by good and thinking postesr like naaz and others. I am just having wise thought to leave like many as now I am able to see you can only argue for arguement thrill but you cannot be any authority still about anything IMO. You will have to grow and get much experience only then you can understand or be somebody important to listen to!! Not now!! No personal offence. Final good bye to all!!
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.115) on: Wed Jun 5 09:24:48 EDT 2002
  
  People please stop. Please. Please. I prefer this thread dying to this kind of discussion.
  
  

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