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ARR's experiments

Topic started by yaaro (@ ac9f1293.ipt.aol.com) on Mon Aug 13 16:57:46 EDT 2001.
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some chaps seem to think ARR has done many experiments.please enlighten us!

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• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Tue Aug 14 12:59:36 EDT 2001
  
  //"and for heaven's sake dont mention the same old amazing recording and use of synthetic sounds stuff"//
  
  yaaro! I will still not delve into a list of ARR's "experiments" but the above sounds like you do not consider some of the "advancements", the tamil cineworld has undergone with ARR as stimuli as creditable works.
  
  sometimes something is a cliche for very good reasons.
  
  so Magnasounds entry into tfm with "thiruda thiruda" is something I would rate as the single most biggest jump for a tfm listener.
  
  I have listened to agni natchathram in some "priya" or "murugappa" cassattes and though all songs wre good I never got any quality satisfaction.
  
  The listening experience of Magnsound is incomparable to any of the local "pazhaniappa" cassattes. ARR makes maximum utilization of the latest technology available. So based on his presentation he has got me interested even b4 i get to analyze his actual tune. I have talked about tracks befoe and in sometime u will understand how important compartmentalising stuff in tracks are.
  
  Among ARR's experminets I would attribute his "work ethic" and "work methodology " as good experiments.
  
  another creditable thing he brought out was shatter the dominance of 4-5 singers and just create a new industry for singers. and contrary to beliefs the "regular singing group" have atleast tripled after ARR.
  
  The use of carolene in thee thee is a good example it was a seducing voice and man! was it different!
  
  the point which "yaaro" you do not understand is the use of udit in "kuluvalille" or aslam mustafa in "samba samba" does not mean they are competitors to spb and they are considered as replacements.
  
  It represents a simple situation where given the flow of events any singer would have done satisfactorily and since it doesnt matter who a surprise change makes people stand up and listen to it.
  
  It gets even better especially when things fail in a connoiseurs eye. because thats the true meaning of daring to go beyond the normal. its for improvisation sake pure and simple and the results dont matter.
  
  I got this feeling when sachin walked out to open for the first time. It was an instinctive move with no pre-arranged logic. iw ould have loved it even if he had failed.
  
  
• From: one more arr fan (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Tue Aug 14 13:18:10 EDT 2001
  
  bharat you are discussing some marketing aspects explained in any of the iims.
  at this rate you will start write about arr lab experiments in +1 and +2 . btw: He did vocational course in MCCHS for sometime.
  
  
  
• From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Tue Aug 14 13:25:30 EDT 2001
  
  //it's ceylonese...U can hear the beats in cricket grounds... //
  
  Thats what I read from the Magazines ( ARR had given an interview )
  
  As for Yelelo, that is only the title song.
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Tue Aug 14 14:27:34 EDT 2001
  
  how ##A.R.RAHMAN## changed the tamil cineworld
  
  a thread in forum hub already discussed, Please go thru the following link.
  
  http://www.forumhub.com/tfilms/3457.10.36.52.html
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-ta083.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Aug 14 15:18:26 EDT 2001
  
  bhatath,
  I have given specific experimental works.
  I will be a fool if i dont agree to the fact , commercial aspects of film music have gone into the next stage in its evolution in ARR's period.
  one feature which has made globalisation of ARR's music is internet.cable TV, awareness about CD's all came with advent of ARR.like IR made availability of music to the masses-only during his period tapes began to be widely used.his advent saw the explosion of new recording libraries.these were all the way things had to go with the availability of cheaper tapes and tape recorders.can IR claim that he was responsible for these changes in TFM?
  
  
• From: G MAURUTHI (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Wed Aug 15 05:01:16 EDT 2001
  
  BHARATH, THAT WAS JUST AN LAME EXCUSE MADE BY IR...
  
  
• From: kannan (@ caprx01.ext.nokia.com) on: Wed Aug 15 08:51:17 EDT 2001
  
  mauruthi>
  
  is that all u could cough up??? sure there are better counter argumnets.... pity. do remember, this is a discussion forum!
  
  ~;-))
  
  
• From: Kannan (@ caprx01.ext.nokia.com) on: Wed Aug 15 08:52:53 EDT 2001
  
  amend typo....
  
  argumnets > arguments
  
  ~:-)
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-tf084.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Aug 15 13:27:41 EDT 2001
  
  all said and done, althogh I am a HCIRF, one thing even we must agree is that main experiments of ARR has been with sound-rather the way his music sounds.he brings this about with clever use of synthetic sounds and alien sounding singers(LIKE UN FOR KULUVAALILE...)
  regarding work ethic-what do you mean bharath-was anything unethical going on before advent of ARR?:-)
  pity, I seem to be listing what i think are his experiments rather than you HCARRF's.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Wed Aug 15 14:32:34 EDT 2001
  
  work ethic = way/style of doing work! doesnt always mean only uprightness althogh thats a common denominator!
  
  funny the way u interpret simple words
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Wed Aug 15 18:05:36 EDT 2001
  
  Rahman's "iruvar" the entire album I wud say is a "different effort"
  
  The retro sounds and the imitation of jazz/blues etc was excellent. reproducing mgr kind of songs acceptable to the modern folks was a good effort!
  
  
• From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Thu Aug 16 05:59:08 EDT 2001
  
  One more nice thing is the beginning music in Akadanagu in Indian
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Thu Aug 16 12:39:50 EDT 2001
  
  //"One more nice thing is the beginning music in Akadanagu in Indian "//
  
  that was already heard in "love of the common people" by paul young :-) I am not going into the subject of inspired/copied/software avaiable.
  
  but lets rather delve on why maruthi thought its an "experiment"
  
  
• From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Thu Aug 16 16:56:17 EDT 2001
  
  Just" target="_top">http://www.glamourindia.com/music/TaazaKhabar/detail.asp?prq=12&cid=1">Just Visit this link for interesting details on Rahman
  
  
• From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Thu Aug 16 16:56:52 EDT 2001
  
  http://www.glamourindia.com/music/TaazaKhabar/detail.asp?prq=12&cid=1
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Fri Aug 17 03:48:39 EDT 2001
  
  A few of the experiments by ARR that I found very interesting...
  
  01. The more frequent use of abstract song patterns thus breaking the traditional pallavi, anupallavi style..right from his first movie...Roja - in the song tamizha tamizha.
  
  02. The exceptional use of a rather high pitch...I find this very very often. Most fo the songs reach some kind of higher pitch which looks like his trademark!
  
  03. The effective use of silence in some songs. For instance the song thaniye in rhythm. Towards the end, before the words thaniye appear again, the minor silence is mindblowing.
  
  04. Some very innovative sounds, loops and insturments.
  
  05. Use of various singers for the same hero in the same movie. Even if this sounds awkward its only 'cos we are used to the other way round!
  
  06. Use of some really zany voices which otherwise would just not have made any sense! Suresh Peters for instance!
  
  07. Taking time for movies. And not bowing to the dictats of either the producer or the director! This experiment has ben his most successful, 'cos this helped him manage a unique image and style of his own.
  
  There may be more!
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Fri Aug 17 08:16:35 EDT 2001
  
  yaaro:
  
  You have done a great job in disguise by starting this thread.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-ta043.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Aug 17 09:03:33 EDT 2001
  
  //The more frequent use of abstract song patterns thus breaking the traditional pallavi, anupallavi style..right from his first movie...Roja - in the song tamizha tamizha.//
  sounds like a fantastic experimentation-but what exactly does this sentence mean? .
  //e exceptional use of a rather high pitch...I find this very very often. Most fo the songs reach some kind of higher pitch which looks like his trademark! //
  IR did this way back for kamal's 'pottu vaitha kadhal thittam..'.i think that is maximum high pitch song i have heard.
  #The effective use of silence in some songs. For instance the song thaniye in rhythm. Towards the end, before the words thaniye appear again, the minor silence is mindblowing. //
  this is nothing new-right from MSV-TR days, silence has been effectively used..
  //me very innovative sounds, loops and insturments.
  . Use of various singers for the same hero in the same movie. Even if this sounds awkward its only 'cos we are used to the other way round!
  
  06. Use of some really zany voices which otherwise would just not have made any sense! Suresh Peters for instance! //
  I myself categorized these 3 ponys under the name of his experiments with the concept of sound as a whole.I will bw daft if i did not agree music as a whole sound sdifferent with advent of ARR.
  
  
  07//Taking time for movies. And not bowing to the dictats of either the producer or the director! This experiment has ben his most successful, 'cos this helped him manage a unique image and style of his own//
  is this an experiment -it sounds like more being a pain in the back.Ir was also dictating terms when he was in the peak.taking time for movies-to do what?do more recycling?
  
  common freind, bharath, maruthi(thanx to whom I started this thread -has come out with exactly 2 dodgy statements as to what he thinks are ARR's statements and a link which is totally out of place in this thread)-This thread has been going on for 5 days-all of you have come with some very abstract sounding statements!
  I am sure u can do better.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.164) on: Fri Aug 17 09:32:03 EDT 2001
  
  karthik s.
  
  of your points, only 4, 6 and 7 are valid. others have been tried already.
  
  is 7 really an experiment? the more valid one will be the 'perfecting a song' not the time factor!
  
  reg. 5, ever heard the songs from oruthalai ragam?
  
  my point will be that he brought different forms of music (the ones not tried before) to tfm.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Fri Aug 17 10:13:43 EDT 2001
  
  I think the silence part in songs, IR was the best. There are n number of IR songs, which are mind blowing. Best of that mouna mana neram from salangai oli.
  
  taking too much time is not experiment, I feel as his inability, he takes to much time to make a song perfect which many others are doing within no time.
  
  Using different voices and singing high pitch is his trademark but nothing experimenting with it. earlier with same singer they used to get different voice, that was experimenting. I also feel that how come same person has different voice in the same movie. Thats fully awkward. Its Ok for a musical album but definetly not for a movie?
  
  

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