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TFM without IlayaRaaja

Topic started by mfm (@ 203.120.115.1) on Tue May 12 22:59:35 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Shall we imagine what would have happened to TFM, if there is no IR since 1976 till say, the debut of Deva, ARR etc., Ofcourse, everybody said that he made Tamilians to divert from Hindi songs. Won't it be interesting, if we can go into more detail

Without the debut of IR,
1. would MSV continued to rule TFM? for how long?
2. who would have took TFM from MSV? again for how long?
3. what would have happened to those films in which IR is the hero? (Not to mention everybody knows)
4. would there be so many no. of tamil films produced/released in that period
5. would TFM sought a MD from North India like RD Burman etc.,

Note: I would say IR is the inspiration for the present MDs.

Firstly Deva, he won't even exist without IR 'cos his compositions is Deva's Film Music Reference Manual, Dictionary, Encyclopaedia. Sirpi, SA R.Kumar etc., would also fall into this category

I welcome any corrections to my second point. Thin k about ARR... (1) he breathed the air that IR breathed (2) he was brought up under the shelter of IR (3) he learnt what is the definition of a complete Film MD (4) he is a sincere student(which ARR failed to mention) from the SCHOOL of IR specialised in complex orchestration & mixing(manual) (5) Can anybody add more...

All these not for 1 yr or 2 yrs or even 5 yrs but for 10 years - a DECADE experience for ARR with IR.

Can ARR or his fans rule out the fact that he did not benefit anything under the shadow of IR to attain the place he is enjoying now?? As many of us exclaim that IR is great creation of GOD, I think GOD also created ARR [not as great as IR anyway :-) ] to grew with IR and oneday get atleast a group of people to say that he replaced IR(which I do not agree anyway).

A few would ask why not VS Narasimhan or other veteran player in IR's team did not come like ARR. Well that's why I say ARR is a sincere STUDENT of IR School. GOD created ARR to be smart, intelligent and courageous enough to study IR for such a long time and get ARR to perform something different from what IR did. I think it can happen only for a limited period, but I wish ARR a long life in TFM & otherFM. B'cos IR is a ocean by himself, it will be a miracle if anyone can do things different from him for a long time.

Before I continue, let me get my views validated by the experts out there in DF.

Though I am hard-core, devotee of IR, I do not dislike or "hate" other MDs(ofcourse I do not listen to their songs:-). I believe there are geniune TFM fans/experts who can contribute to the imagination of "TFM without IR" and make this topic interesting & healthy.

mfm

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Responses:

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• From: nithin (@ ) on: Fri Jan 19 21:08:37 EST 2001
  
  IR is just another MD. As MSV said in his interview " intha fieldula enakku thatha irundhan enakku thatha varuvan". IR monopolised a period when standard film production attained a stage as film BUSINESS. Film industry creators are those who worked with KVM, MSV etc who gave memorable hits till date. Without these doyens the concept of Light music or film music would not have originated for IR to follow with synthesizer key boards. Be true to your heart and tell me are you listening to IRs 76-96 melodies? Or how often now? The time tested pre 76 melodies of MSV, Mahadevan are still alive in the air. Withour IR film music would have had a variety of voice ranges instead of the same monotony of SPB,KJJetc. Imagine the old songs with clear identitiy of voices. IRs song only contained dominated musical scores without any importance to voice or lyrics. Read the script of IR songs in a song book and you will know how the lyricists have missed their great identity.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 63.21.182.244) on: Sat Jan 20 00:05:20 EST 2001
  
  Such topics are futile! It's like asking what would have happened to tamil films if there were no sivaji or mgr or kamal or rajini or, to tfm if msv or ps or tms or spb were not there. How can you ever say what would have happened?
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.217) on: Sat Jan 20 04:22:21 EST 2001
  
  karthi, appO matRa topics ellam very useful'ngareengaLA?:-) Does it not at least trigger the `imaginative capabilities' of Dfers (& thus sustain their creative abilities, say in software production:-))?
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 202.54.94.54) on: Sat Jan 20 06:51:36 EST 2001
  
  i think nithin has a point msv, visu-ramu & kvm had great feel for music that coupled with kannadasan's good lyrics and most importantly good directors who worked in tandem to produce melody. which you hear even today. IR is a good musician but people around him like Motherland pictures,Raj Kiran elevated him to a pedestal made a demi god so when ARR with Roja's goose pimple inducing music came Ilaya raja was caught in self doubt. apart from an occasional flutter like K.mmariyathai, sethu & nirpatthu ver in Barathi he is consued by doubt . it is like kapil playing on to break Hadlee's record, Pathetic. ( Of course it happened to MSV as well) But MSV to his credit accepted the inevitable.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.164.14) on: Sat Jan 20 09:48:18 EST 2001
  
  IR illatha TFM,
  
  Kaatru illatha Boomi
  Nila Illatha Vaanam
  uppillatha saapadu
  Thanner illatha Aaru
  Penn Illatha Kaathal
  etc..etc...can't imagine
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.72.88.73) on: Sat Jan 20 10:57:30 EST 2001
  
  Vinayakam, nithin
  Your postings are full of comody. One says that IR is yet another MD and another says IR did not care for good lyrics. Guys realize! Would you say 'Annakilie unai theduthe' is not a good song. Hear 'Edilium ingu irupan' from Bharathi, no other MD has given such good lyrics in the recent past. Did IR not user Kannadasan? Come on! KD wrote his last song for IR. Will it be IR's fault that KD is no more.
  
  Can you tell that TMS, PS, PBS and LRE period was not monotonous. TMS used to sing even for young heros like Ravichandran and JaiShankar. God saved TFM and we had a variety from SPB and KJY, Mano, Jensi, VJ, SJ, SNS, JayaChandran, IR, Sujatha, and not it is HH, SM, HarishRagavendar, MaduBalakrishnan, Bhava, Devan, Arunmozhi, etc. etc...
  
  Fliflo, I agree with you. It is not MSV's, KVM's or TRP's songs, but the one and only IR's songs which mesmerized me! IR could take over only because he was better than his seniors and he still rules.
  
  Venki
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ 212.138.47.11) on: Sat Jan 20 12:00:01 EST 2001
  
  IR Illatha TFM,
  
  Jeevan illatha Udal,
  Athma Illatha Manithan,
  Anbu Illa Vazhkkai,
  Noakkam Illatha Manithan,
  Music illatha Sathtam
  
  - Vijay
  
  
• From: thubam (@ 64.63.10.141) on: Sat Jan 20 15:02:54 EST 2001
  
  IR's main detterant Mr.Ramanujam is writing reviews for Raaga.com...check under movie reviews
  
  
• From: Asareeri (@ 205.227.43.12) on: Sat Jan 20 16:54:51 EST 2001
  
  nithin,
  
  re: old songs, did you happen to like the monotony of TMS & PS.
  
  Everytime AIR broadcasts old songs, I can be 90% certain that the singers would be these two for any given song. The perceived "monotony" was not introduced by IR. The sheer volume of songs he generated might have given you this impression. But, dont blame IR for everything.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 63.21.182.110) on: Sat Jan 20 19:18:39 EST 2001
  
  Asareeri!
  
  Come on, speaking of monotony it's IR's vehement use of SPB-SJ (for even songs which won't suit them especiall SJ) that produced boredom in TFM and not TMS-PS. Never. Infact they could hold on to the show for longer than ever one can imagine, thanks to their creativity and the way they could modulate their voice. It was due to aging that TMS' voice lost its lustre. And IR seemed to have not minded the aging quality is SJ's voice for a very long time until Chitra came along!
  
  Venki,
  
  can you point out a single song of Ravichandran or Jaishankar where TMS voice didn't suit them? When TMS was in is prime, his voice was THE MAJESTIC.
  
  As per IR's music, it lost its lustre in the early 80's itself. Whatever that came after was not refreshing anymore! I cannot pin point and say that after such and such movie he stopped performing. His composition in terms of "quality songs" faded gradually compared to what he used to give in those formative years. If there were evergreen songs from IR then most of them would have to be from his early years.
  
  Be honest,
  
  can you listen to "Enna satham indha neram?" with the same enthusiasm as "Vizhiyile malarndhadhu?"
  
  Or can you listen to "Paadavaa Un Paadalai" or "Chinna chinna vaNNak kuyil" as frequently as "Sendhoorap PoovE" or "Poovarasampoo Poothaachu" or "KuyilE KavikkuyilE" or "Adadada Maamarak KiLiyE" or "Azhagu Aayiram" or "En ULLil EngO"?
  
  Or can you enjoy "Poove SempoovE" more than "Senthaazham Poovil"?
  
  Or do you relish listening to his later years' duets more compared to "germanyin senthEn mazhaiyE" or "Thiruth ThEril Varum SilaiyO" or "Manadhil Enna NinaivugaLO" or "KaNNan Oru Kaikkuzhandhai"?
  
  - You can go an picking his best like these...Even though the situations do not match exactly, in totality, his songs in those years were the best and had variety than those he composed in the later years.
  
  No doubt, IR brought a breath of fresh air in TFM. But, so are any MDs that reached the top of fame.
  
  But IR takes more credit for being incredibly proliferate in his creations (matching the industry's requirements) and he was a boon to the directors for he gave for BGM, exactly what they asked for. But, as listeners of songs, I don't think we must give much importance to BGM! Atleast I don't.
  
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ 192.135.244.69) on: Sun Jan 21 02:49:01 EST 2001
  
  karthi,
  while i agree on most of the points, on this one,
  >>can you listen to "Enna satham indha neram?" with the same enthusiasm as "Vizhiyile malarndhadhu?" <<
  i wish to differ...i feel it's a function of the generation u belong to(generation - in the sense of change in the style of an MD - i along with a few other people believe Raja was never the same after 1987 -credit goes to another fellow Dfer viswa for proposing this theory :-)) ...while u may not listen
  to enna saththam indha nEram with that much enthu,
  i wud...and i share the same feeling of urs if i compare "enna saththam indha nEram" and "konji konji alaigaL Oda"
  
  
• From: a.a (@ 203.197.136.17) on: Sun Jan 21 04:12:35 EST 2001
  
  Take AIR programmes or Vividh Bharathi or even sattelite TV channels..Either we get latest ARR type songs or old TMS-PS songs Hardly we come across in between period songs of80s and early 90s
  Hence already TFM is most of the time without IR..
  Also note this fact...between 60s and 70s various MDs has given neariy 1000 more songs with PS, solo numbers and each one of them is a hit even today....Where as IR-SJ combination had given 1000 solo numbers during the period 80 to 90 and haraly 10 songs are remembered today...
  TFM with or without IR hardly make any difference to me ....Ahamed
  
  
• From: imsai_thAngalappA!!! (@ 192.135.244.69) on: Sun Jan 21 08:12:13 EST 2001
  
  ahamed,
  indha statistics funda viduradhula periya puliyA
  irukkeenga !!!
  
  ilangai oliparappu koottusthAbanam tamizh chEvai -2 kEkkara(kEtta)dhuNdA ????
  
  adikkaradhu kadhai...adhula enna statistics vENdi kidakku!!
  
  

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