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IR GETS LATHA MANKESHKAR AWARD !

Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Fri Dec 4 01:26:45 EST 1998.
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hi,
today's dinakaran has this info.
IR gets Lathamankeshkar award given by MP state govt.
http://www.dinakaran.com/daily/12041998/cinema/award.html
Any idea about this award & other persons who got this award ???
NagasubramaniaN

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• From: vamban (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Thu Apr 19 12:07:22 EDT 2001
  
  fliflo, that is because there are also big idiots who think if some one tells x or y md is great...they feel ir's greatness is reduced.
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.208) on: Thu Apr 19 12:10:22 EDT 2001
  
  Fliflo: You must have surely heard about-
  A man known by the company he keeps
  Birds of a feather flock together.
  
  My idiocy has already been established and proved by my continuous participation in these threads:-)
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.208) on: Thu Apr 19 12:11:53 EDT 2001
  
  vamban: I hear you, and agree with you totally.
  
  
• From: vamban (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Thu Apr 19 12:14:56 EDT 2001
  
  I was thinking what was pulling me here, you have the answer -My idiocy :)
  
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Apr 19 12:25:21 EDT 2001
  
  rajaG & Vamban:
  
  I think you guys are headed towards a big but an imperative conclusion..:-))
  
  
• From: bm (@ 172.162.50.155) on: Thu Apr 19 12:28:11 EDT 2001
  
  OH..this thread has suddenly taken an idiotic turn..time to leave guys..!
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Thu Apr 19 12:43:42 EDT 2001
  
  bm: I take serious objection to your use of "suddenly"-----"naturally" seems more appropriate.
  
  vamban: Another fallacy - Humility and self-criticizing humor is almost always misconstrued as "ignorance/inadequacy". This is true whether it is for bignames like IR, SPB, KSC or it is small fries like you and me!
  
  
• From: vamban (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Thu Apr 19 12:58:29 EDT 2001
  
  g :)
  
  
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.199.130.131) on: Thu Apr 19 12:59:57 EDT 2001
  
  dearest rajaG,
  >>>>>All through my formative years, I also grew up listening, enjoying, and singing/performing the melodies of all those MDs you have mentioned. And then IR happened upon me
  Reply:
  Well, like you, even I have been learning Hindustani classical for nearly 10 years. I also learnt western classical in school, and have sung for my college several times. (Of course I am not the kind of GREAT singer that you are........)
  
  >>>But, while there are many others who all have claims to be top 3, top 5 etc, the No.1 spot belongs to IR alone.
  Reply:
  Oh, so you have blurted out the ULTIMATE TRUTH, have you? And then you people crib if I say LM is the best singer in India - saying LM /asha could not have done the semiclassical numbers of Chitra - but the same is true for IR - he could not have composed the ghazals of Madan Mohan/Roshan/Naushad, the use of Hindustani classical by Ani Viswas, the use of Marathi folk by C Ramchandra, or the Bengali folk numbers of SDB or the strange melodies of OP NAYYAR/ Chitragupt. ( And these could not have done what IR did - his use of Tamil folk/Carnatic etc.. )
  
  
  Still you want to insist that IR is the greatest??? And what would you say about MSV/ARR/KVM not being upto IRs Mark???
  
  These above MDs worked in an era where advanced recording techniques were totally absent. Yet they infused terrific melody into their songs and were experienced in classical and folk. They had the ability to create real melody through apparently simple tunes, that are very popular even today. Many of them were also trend-setters,
  and versatile composers, each having his own charactersistic MARK.
  **************
  But when you are looking for
  a) versatile creations covering many genres of music
  b) a trend setter and NOT a mere follower and generator of numbers
  c) insignificant number of copies/inspirations
  d) has a very distinct stamp that most common listeners can recognize, identify, and associate.
  e) prolific creativity (so one time wonders don't count)
  the circle becomes smaller- and IR comes out ahead. Please don't mention about SDB, Salil, RDB, ....again and again. Nobody belittles them, but they are NOT numero uno.
  ***********
  If you do not know, Salil Chaudhary has had extensive knowledge of both Hindustani and Carnatic, besides Western Classical. Not to mention about Bengali/assamese folk at all. He TOO WAS a trend-setter when he introduced rock-n-roll and western classical, and a fusion of eastern and western melody.Plus he has composed for several films in all the southern languages.And he gave excellent music in more than 12 Indian languages for over 4 decades. And Lata , the Melody Queen of our country, calls him her favourite, besides Madan Mohan. Yet he is a ONE-TIME WONDER??????????????
  People are mad to sing and perform the songs he composed such a long time back.
  And all this here is also applicable to C Ramchandra. Go to the site 'www.megacinema.com" and listen to the TELUGU songs he composed.
  
  And I'd love to know if you could name even FIVE songs of Hridaynath Mangeshkar or Anil Biswas or Jaidev???????????????
  
  I dont deny that IR is a legend - this the millionth time I'm saying so - but even RDB is definitely as good. People here say LMs/ashas Tamil/Malayalam songs are bad. I agree.
  But what about the Hindi films which IR composed for - sorry they were not upto the high standards he had set for himself AT ALL.
  
  
  Sometimes, I wish this much extended debate came to an end. Parallel lines dont converger, I suppose.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.199.130.131) on: Thu Apr 19 13:02:40 EDT 2001
  
  rajaG:
  A small correction -
  read " what do you say about MSV/KVM/ARR not being upto IRs mark"
  as " Why do you think that ARR/MSV/KVM are not upto IRs mark" ..... before somebody misunderstands what I said and starts darting accusations at me.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Apr 19 13:05:02 EDT 2001
  
  LV;
  
  Digression:
  
  Teach me the art of typing at lighteng speed..
  
  
• From: vamban (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Thu Apr 19 13:15:57 EDT 2001
  
  Lv GETS LATHA MANKESHKAR AWARD
  :)
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Thu Apr 19 13:18:43 EDT 2001
  
  LV:
  
  You are just wasting your energy unnecessaryly. There is no point arguing where there is no converging point insight.
  I am amazed to see you all alone over these days in this thread. You have a good fighting spirit.
  
  My knowledge about LM is even more lesser than what I have about IR , even though I beleive that I have enought knowledge to post in favour or against him on certain topic. But, I have heard, as you have already mentioned several times, several people praise her truely. I also beleive that IR is equally good like few genius MDs in IFM.
  I won't include ARR with this elite group now as he has got a long way to go. But, in the current IFM ,ARR seems to be heading far ahead than anybody in the business. Might, even get into that group, but only time can say.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Thu Apr 19 13:42:06 EDT 2001
  
  LV: First things first. I did NOT attack you personally NOR question your credentials. Your post, under the cover of "valid" arguments, includes personal attacks. You are intelligent. I don't need to nor intend to point them out to you. Please ensure that this is the last time you do that. While I cannot prevent you from continuing to do that, I can always will myself to ignore you & your posts.
  
  Thanks for complimenting on my GREAT singing abilities. For arguments sake, if I name 6 a piece for Anil Biswas, HM or Jaidev, are you going to concede (my opinion vs. yours)? (5 required by you, 1 bonus each thrown in by me):-)
  
  When did I ever say that Lata could NOT do the semi-classical numbers of Chitra. In fact, it has been you who is continuously writing about Chitra's inadequacies (as a comparison). Which is why, asking you to listen to more of KSC's songs came up in the first place.
  
  Do you think I included Salil C as a one-time wonder? Please don't try to thrive on misquoting or quoting out of context like cheap politicians. It takes the fun out of meaningful discussions.
  
  I will address your comments (atleast some of them) soon. I am, for the present, pressed for time. Meanwhile, let us come up with different genres of music - melody, rock&roll, folk, dappaanguththu (khaikE paan banaras), classical,.........etc. etc. Let us try to list all the MD's compositions of atleast 5 songs in each of these genre. I am wating to see how many slots Anil Biswas and C Ramachandra fill up. And that will address versatility - which is criteria #1.
  
  
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.134) on: Fri Apr 20 00:37:10 EDT 2001
  
  rajaG,
  Madan Mohan,C Ramchandra fill up all the slots, seems you have not heard them at all. Anil Viswas will fill all except the western style.
  
  If you feel it is wrong to place Salil C and C Ramchandra in same category as IR, then I might feel the same about Chitra being placed in Lata's category for obvious reasons. In any case, I only spoke of Chitra as a bad HINDI singer, not a bad singer overall.
  
  Sorry for the personal attacks if any, really.
  But people have said the dirtiest thing to me here in this forum.
  And you people are just not willing to consider what I say at all ( Maybe you are an exception.)
  If you say that IR > C Ramchandra , what is wrong if I feel LM > Chitra? Well, how many songs of KSC do you want me to name? Read my earlier post of Chitra's malayalam versions of Salil's songs vs. Lata's Hindi one. Hear them and the difference is obvious.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.134) on: Fri Apr 20 00:39:29 EDT 2001
  
  rajaG
  I am new to this forum, I was just going through the forum archives. I saw a remark by some rajaG (may not be you) about Lata being a horse!!!
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 4.4.182.103) on: Fri Apr 20 01:41:25 EDT 2001
  
  LV: Once again you misquote. Since you have studiously gone through the archives, pray quote the complete sentence including 'IF' statements included therein.
  
  And now that you have gone through the archives, presumably you would have also noticed that I don't hold back my genuine comments positive or negative, irrespective of the status of the artists in my mind. And IR, ARR, Lata, KSC, PS and all such artists to whose levels I may never achieve are all NOT above crticism. I have commented negatively on IR's recent work. I was largely instrumental in starting a passionate venture to identify Copying in TFM at the instance of being aware of ARR's Hello Mr. Edhirkatchi's prelude piano piece. I am neither claiming fame nor recognition. Yes! I have claimed that the well called Lata has dried up for quite sometime now. And contrary to what you may believe, Lata's political plays to dominate the market, albeit with a gifted voice is notorious and well-known. But I am digressing. We are NOT here to discuss Lata- the humanitarian, or Lata - the stepping stone for other's success. This does NOT take away her fantastic singing skills of yester years.
  
  Here's a proposal for you. Name 'n' different types of songs of Lata for me. I will give you an equally good song, in the same genre, by Asha, PS, Chitra (and my dear friend Srinath will give one of SJ). Let us forget about the language.
  
  I am posting a weblink for a list by Sathiyavaageeswaran. Go through the article and select the many different genre of music presented by IR as songs. Let us NOT even get into rerecording. We will take that up as a second exercise. Give me comparable songs by an MD of your choice covering all/most of these genre.
  
  BTW, Chitra's malayalam version of Salilda's songs are in NO way inferior to Lata's Hindi songs, or for that matter the Bengali originals (which is what I heard first). Hindi being a far more "popular" language and Lata being a name-brand artist it is only our belief that somehow the duplicate should be inferior. Some times these beliefs are correct, but NOT when it comes to Chitra.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 4.4.182.103) on: Fri Apr 20 01:50:24 EDT 2001
  
  http://members.tripod.com/raaja_saga/sathya.html
  
  Here it is.
  
  

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