Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
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I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)
"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."
Wow! Beautiful voice!
Neel's VJ Songs
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- From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152)
on: Sun Aug 11 09:34:03 EDT 2002
Saravanan
Terrific work! keep it up.
- From: Jeyaram (@ 203.197.134.191)
on: Sun Aug 11 12:55:34 EDT 2002
Saravanan,
It's a news for me 'Oru Kodiyil..' had a Vani solo also. Eager to listen. Suggest me sites for this + Akka songs.
Also, waiting for your coverage of immortal ' Illakknam Marutho...' ( VJ+ SPB)
- From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219)
on: Mon Aug 12 00:57:38 EDT 2002
Even I didn't see 'Mayor Meenakshi'. All that I remember is it is a song in which the heroine reprimands (albeit 'chellama') the hero who comes drunk! 'Irundhaa onna iru! Buddhi illennaa renda iru!' means when one gets drunk foolishly, each single item appears in double!
I agree, there's nothing very great about lyrics in this number!
- From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219)
on: Mon Aug 12 03:46:08 EDT 2002
Saravanan and other friends,
I have an interesting tidbit, which I read somewhere,and am not able to hold my patience till Saravanan releases the 1977 list!
It is on:
'Thangaththil Mugameduththu'-KJY,VJ-MSV-Meenava Nanban
It seems MGR , in the last few films, used to positively reserve one song for Kavignar Muthulingam. When Kavignar thought he had been left out of 'Meenava Nanban', MGR rang him up and told him one song was still awaiting him, as usual! Kavignar wrote " Azhagugal unnidathil adaikkalam, un angangal manmathan padaikkalam (weapon)". It seems Sridhar and MSV commented it should be 'padaikkaLam' (Battlefield). Kavignar said both are applicable but he had only weapon in mind. Then there was a wisecrack from someone that Adaikkalam sounds like a Padhiriyar's name! Then Kavignar dropped the whole thing and then wrote the now famous 'Thangaththil Mugameduththu'!
- From: Neel D (@ 24.98.42.169)
on: Mon Aug 12 08:24:56 EDT 2002
Saravanan,
Nice post again. I have never heard some of the songs you have talked about. I will be uploading 'Kalyaaname" very soon.
- From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.247)
on: Mon Aug 12 09:16:26 EDT 2002
C V, that's an interesting thunukku.
Jeyaram, I am sorry I have not seen Akka songs (except 'Maalai malar') or 'Naan oru vagayinil' on the net.
Neel, do you have 'Kannan kovil paravai'? It will be great if you could upload it.
- From: Jeyaram (@ 203.197.134.70)
on: Mon Aug 12 13:13:55 EDT 2002
Saravanan,
Thank. Hope u would talk about 'Mazhaikalamum ... Panikalamum... ' from Savitri ( VJ + JC)! What a starting alapana by VJ ! MSV has not scored many songs in Hamsadwani but he made it up more in this song. Starting alapana is simply out of heaven! Waiting for your comments on this song!
Another imp observation is , finishing / joining lines of Pallavi, most difficult part of the song , is sung by only VJ, not JC. It must have been a conscious decision by MSV, knowing VJs credentials on classical music.
- From: Neel D (@ 24.98.42.169)
on: Tue Aug 13 00:45:14 EDT 2002
Saravanan,
I dont have "Kannan Kovil Paravai" at the moment. Some day down the road.
Everyone,
Interview with VJ coming soon.
- From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219)
on: Tue Aug 13 09:35:13 EDT 2002
Saravanan,
Two very minor corrections in the lyrics in some of your earlier postings!
1. Thirumurugan.....(Mayor Meenakshi)
VaarEn kannaaLaa edhir paarththen innaaLa (as against paarththe ninnaaLa in your posting) 2.Aboorva Ragangal
Verum karpanai santhoshaththil avanadhu gavanam (as against varum....in your posting)
I remember two good songs from a 1975 film Gemini's 'Ellorum Nallavare'
1.Padaithaane Brahma devan padhinaaru vayadhu kolam.... (SPB)
2.Pagai konda ullam , thuyaraththin illam... (KJY)
Were there no VJ numbers in this film?
- From: vkr (@ 209.11.42.194)
on: Tue Aug 13 20:33:07 EDT 2002
"Sivappukallu mookuthi" was one more popular duet from Ellorum Nallavare.
Is the song "Endha kadai selai indha ponnu udal mele" from the movie Adhaivida ragasiyam by vani jayaram and p suseela? Can anybody confirm this??
- From: Neel D (@ 24.98.42.169)
on: Tue Aug 13 22:48:41 EDT 2002
vkr, thanks for reminding 'endha kadai sela". You just took me back to the good old days. It has been almost a quarter of a century since I heard that song last. Saravanan or CV should know who sang that song.
Everyone, two new solos have been uploaded. Interview with VJ is coming very soon.
http://www.vanijayaram.com
- From: vijay (@ 68.51.203.216)
on: Tue Aug 13 23:10:44 EDT 2002
NeelD, thanks a ton for uploading the classic "yaaradhu sollaamal" from nenjamellam neeye, which had been really elusive for a long time.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Wed Aug 14 03:27:47 EDT 2002
Echoing the same comments of vijay. I hold this song and megame megame as two of the most beautiful compositions to have graced tfm with the inimitable voice of VJ, despite their original roots. In appreciation of Neel's efforts and the song's charm, it becomes the song of today. Thanks a lot neel.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Wed Aug 14 03:29:32 EDT 2002
Neel - do u have this song - 'manak kOyil koNd nindraan parandhaaman' ? ( I may have the lrycis entirely wrong :-) )
- From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.245)
on: Wed Aug 14 03:54:47 EDT 2002
1976 continued-
51. Aadi velli thedi unnai- Moondru Mudichu- Jayachandran- MSV
(Duets 1 Page 1 Song 1)
The launching pad for Sridevi as a heroine in tamizh films. She had appeared as a child artist earlier in many films (Babu, Nam Naadu, Engal Kuladeivam, Julie and Thirumangalyam,to list a few) and this was her debut as a heroine. Though it was not an easy role to essay, she carried it off effortlessly, making this a memorable film in her long career.
Kamal, of course, had tutelage earlier under KB in films like Arangetram, Sollathaan Ninaikiren, Aval oru thodarkathai and Apoorva Ragangal- he appeared as the lover of Sridevi who dies halfway. And Rajini made a mark as the stylish villain, who has a change of heart in the end. Under the expert supervision of KB, these three fresh faces brought to life the characters of Selvi, Balaji and Prasad.
There were three songs in the film- two by VJ-JC and the third- ‘Aval oru kathanayagi’ by PS and LRE.
This song (like ‘Vasantha kaala nadhigaliley) is in the ‘Andhaadhi’ pattern, with Kannadasan at his lyrical best.
It is in some cultural show, where Kamal and Sridevi are in the audience. It is an Andhaadhi competition between boys and girls. Sivachandran and Meera, both of whom KB would formally introduce in his Pattina Pravesam the next year, appear as participants, and recite the opening lines.
Balaji and Selvi are transported to dreamland and we see them, not skiing down Alpine slopes or bungee jumping in New Zealand, but merely walking amidst the ancient trees of Adyar Theosophical Society! How simple were the celluloid lovers of 1976!
JC: Aadivelli thedi unnai naan adaindha neram
Kodi invam naadi vandhen Kaviriyin oram
VJ: Orakkannil oora vaiththa then kavithai chaaram
Osai indri pesuvathu aasaiyennum vedham
JC: Vedham solli melamittu medai kandu aadum
Meththai kandu thaththai ondru viththai pala
naadum-
VJ: Naadum ullam koodum ennam pesum mozhi mounam
Ragam thannai moodi vaiththa veenai aval
chinnam-
JC: Chinnammikka vannakkili vannachilai kolam
Ennai aval pinnikkolla endru varum kaalam
VJ: Kaalamithu kaalamendru kaadhal deivam paadum
Gangai nadhi pongum kadal sangamathil koodum!
Kaviarasaraa Kokka! What wonderful lyrics, interwoven so skilfully into the Andhaadhi pattern!
Unobtrusive music by MSV, he knows well when he has to adakkivaasichify, for don’t the lyrics themselves have music in them? Nonetheless, he shows his craft in the enchanting chorus bits in the interludes. The ‘hahaha’---ending in ‘aasayennum vedham’, as though reminding JC of the word he has to commence with, and the ‘namthananthanam’—ending with ‘Veenai aval chinnam’, giving JC his cue again are simply out of the world! VJ’s humming along with JC’s pallavi, and her voice merging with the chorus in the end, give this song a dreamy finish---
Let us leave Balaji and Selvi there- Kanavin mayalogathiley avargal kalandhey ullasam kaanattum--
52. Vasantha kaala nadhigaliley- Moondru Mudichu- JC-MSV
(Duets 1 page 2)
It seems Kannadasan hadn’t recovered from the ‘Andhaadhi’ bug- for this song also is a lovely lyrical play in the same pattern-
Here we find Balaji and Selvi, with the unwelcome addition of Prasad, two men and a woman in a boat- (with due apologies to Jerome K Jerome!)- innocent Balaji happily playing the mouth organ, blissfully unaware of his bosom pal’s obsession with Selvi, Selvi trying to ignore Prasad, and sing with her beloved, and Prasad, rowing the boat, with his disarming smile masking his evil machinations--
JC: Vasanthakaala nadhigaliley, vaira mani neeralaigal
Neeralaigal meedhiniley nenjirandin ninaivalaigal
VJ: Ninaivalaigal thodarndhu vandhaal, neramellam kanavalaigal
Kanavalaigal valarvadharkku Kaman avan malarkkanaigal
JC: Malarkkanaigal paaindhuvittal madi irandum panjanaigal
Panjanaiyil pallikkondaal manam irandum thalaiyanaigal
VJ: Thalaiyanaiyil mugham pudhaithu, sarasamidum pudhukkalaigal
Pudhu kalaigal peruvadharkku poomaalai manavinaigal
VJ simply scintillates in this song- be it her singing the verse ‘Ninaivalaigal thodarndhu’ in two different pitches, or her stunning humming in the interlude, or her shy utterance of the word ‘sarasam’, or the laughter she shares with JC towards the end- hark at how she utters ‘Poo’, and then breaks helplessly into giggles- Superb!
Of course, there in no necessity for us to recollect that there now is a sudden catastrophe, and Balaji falls overboard and drowns—Selvi is shell-shocked, but Prasad, with a ghoulish relish, looks on, and sings a few triumphant lines in MSV’s voice—as Balaji’s suddenly orphaned mouth-organ is seen floating on the water--
53. Aththani Mandapathil- Maharasi Vaazhga- PS- MSV
Can any one recollect the star cast of this film? I have a vague memory of KRV and perhaps Pramila. (as seen on ‘Oliyum Oliyum’ thousands of Fridays ago). All the songs, however, are fresh in my memory. Other songs include ‘Kandha Muruga unnai kaana’-PS and ‘Paalirukkuthu pazhamirukkuthu’-TMS-LRE.
This song has PS reiterating the importance of acham, madam, naanam, etc of chaste womanhood and VJ responding that wealth is more important than all the qualities PS is waxing eloquent on—
PS: Aththaani mandapathil muthu muthu deepam
Annathin thogai poley velli minnal kolam
Thaai sonna neethi-karpu ennum jothi
Thandhai sonna vedham-than maana deepam
VJ: Selvam enbathu vandha pinbu thaan irunda veetilum deepam
Endha paadhayum sendru paarkkalaam vaazhvil ennathaan paavam
Ilamayin degham inbamenum ragam
Enna vandha pothum, vandha varai yogam
PS rebuts VJ’s reply with ‘Kodi pengalai bhoomi kandathu
Deivam aanaval Seethai
Kodi paadhaigal mannil ullana
Nermai ondru thaan paadhai’
To this, VJ’s spirited rejoinder is ‘ Acham enbathum naanam enbathum
Panjam theerkkave illai-
Andhi vaanathu chandiran ena vaazhndhu paarpathey thollai’
- Sabaash, sariyaana potti!
54. Isaithurayil enakku- Maharasi Vaazhaga- MSV
A stunning solo- Another of VJ’s dazzling gems, cast off very unfairly to join the list of ‘bhooley bisrey geeth’- What a shame!
What a soulful alaap VJ commences this lovely song with- an indication of the rare treat that is to follow-
Isaithurayil enakku kaadhal vegham
Rasigargale umakku ethiley mogham-
Aasai padam eduththathu,
Nenjil idam pidiththathu
Naadham varam koduththathu
Aasai padam eduththathu-
Thunivudan vandhen ingey
Maaligaiyil ival pirandhirundhaal
Ival engo engo iruppaal
Manalil undaana maanikka padhumai
Kudathil vilakkaaga nindraal—
Gynaanam migindhirundhathu
Naanam maraindhirundhathu
Kaalam pirandhuvittathu
Paalam thirandhuvittathu
Thunivudan vandhen ingey—
Jaadhi illai, oru madhamum illai
Iasai engum pogum inimai
Thalaivan illamal thaanaaga isaithaal
Viragam undaakkum vedhanai-
Vaazhvai arindhu kondathu
Vaazha ninaithu vittathu
Megham thirandhuvittathu
Thunivudan vandhen ingey—
What a song! What exquisite filigrees by VJ on this jewel crafted with care by the master music-smith! I am at a loss to choose which part to highlight- her enthralling variations in the repetition of ‘Umakku ethiley mogham’, the memorable prolonging of ‘Mogham’, the emotion-choked repetition of ‘Kudathil vilakkaga nindraal’, the swift change and jubilant speed of ‘Gynaanam migindhirundhathu’, the palpable pathos in the repetition of ‘Viragam undaakkum vedhanai’, the defiant assertiveness in ‘Vaazhavai arindhukkondathu’---my hands may tire of trying to enumerate VJ’s value-additions in this song, but my ears will never, never tire of listening to it! And each time I listen to it, I discover something new! What a wide range of emotions, so expressively, effectively and enthrallingly conveyed!
55. Vaanathil paduthu – Veedu Varai Uravu- MSV- MSV
Again, another film about which I am quite in the dark- I think it had Sujatha, with perhaps Jaiganesh. Another good song from it is ‘Maanikka veenayin raagam’-SPB-PS.
It sounds like a ‘Rayil paadal’- with the whistle of the engine, and the chikku-bukku chug of the train forming a rhythmic backdrop and a lot of kids joining in-
MSV begins by reciting: Paal nilavil thottil katti aadu kanne aadu
Pasam anbu deivam endru paadu kanne paadu
Kuyilgal, kiligal, anilgal ellaam ungalai poley thambi
Ulagam ennum urundai pandhu ulladhu ungalai nambi
VJ makes a breezy entry with: Vaanathil paduthu sirikkum velli nila
Ananda irakkai virikkum pillaigala
Mazhalaigal sindhum muthu
Kurunagai ungal soththu,
Vanjangal illadha mullaikkoththu--
A fast-paced song, with VJ effortlessly and swiftly soaring high and then swooping down- listen to the vocal circus in the line ‘ Annam ennum vellai ullam, ponnai vellum anbu vellam, pasam enabathai sumandhu’- Well, with Ringmaster MSV joining her in the vocals as well, we should not be surprised!! We can only join the kids in clapping our hands in the end!
- Still more to come on VJ with MSV in 1976-
- From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.249)
on: Wed Aug 14 04:16:21 EDT 2002
Neel, thank you for 'Naalai mudhal' and 'Kalyanamey'-you bring all of us so much joy in our daily life- it is so generous of you to take so much time and trouble!
Eagerly awaiting the interview.
C V, thanks for the corrections. I really find it difficult to type tamizh in English-
Reg. Ellorum Nallavarey- it had great songs by V Kumar, but none sung by VJ. Other than the three already mentioned, there was 'Emma Kannu' by SPB-SJ.
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