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Is Vairamuthu better than Kannadaasan?

Topic started by Prabhar (@ ppp45-216.lvsb.vsnl.net.in) on Thu Jul 2 09:40:00 EDT 1998.
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Yes......The greatest joke of the year!
Courtesy: Sivaji Ganesan
Reference: Kungumam weekly.
My opeinon: KD malai yentral VM madu....

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• From: ash (@ 12.5.196.254) on: Wed Jan 9 17:03:58 EST 2002
  
  If anybody who has read the non-film works of Kannadasan and VM will accept the fact that Kannadasan is far superior. Whether it is prose or poetry Kannadasan's work and his knowledge is great.
  I would suggest to read his "Yeasu kaviyam" (Its about Jesus christ) which happened to be one of his last non-film literary work
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.254) on: Wed Jan 9 17:07:24 EST 2002
  
  rasigan,
  
  Digression:
  "I will give u a simple example, though not in show biz. Gavaskar the class batsmen he is will not hit some "CRAPPY" shots to make a few runs.."
  
  Oh Yeah!Once,he made 36 not out in 60 overs.That was a great innings without any crappy shots!!!
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 204.154.71.125) on: Wed Jan 9 17:25:00 EST 2002
  
  Mr. Trend,
  
  Digression :
  Yes, indeed it was without 'Kevalam' shots .And FYI, Gavaskar did make a one day century and a century before lunch in one-dayers when it comes to attacking play.
  
  He didn't resort to 'Cheap' shots saying it is in tune with the times..
  
  Men should live with HONOUR. Not to resort to crap and justify..
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 204.154.71.125) on: Wed Jan 9 18:15:25 EST 2002
  
  /*
  the range that VM has covered KD has not! In those days philosophical songs were the requirement. Nowadays you gotta be cool!
  
  how wud u feel if i say KD was philosophical and boring... like an old man giving advise.. */
  
  Ariyamay endru sollvadhodu niruthi kolgiren.If u think KD wrote only philosphical songs..
  
  KD has written all types of songs, far beyond the times that he lived.
  
  He didn't 'Kochapaduthify" tamil . If writing meaningless lyrics makes one 'Cool', kannadasan prefers to remain 'Hot'..
  
  
  
• From: Shanmugam (@ 63.101.96.27) on: Wed Jan 9 19:03:23 EST 2002
  
  My 2 cents :
  
  It is not true that kaNNadAsan excelled only in philosophical songs. There were several interesting threads started some times back by udhayA that compared these two greats based on iyarkai varnanai, kAdhal, thathuvam, etc. Please go through those and you'll understand kaNNadAsan's greatness in areas other than thathuvam also. His non-film works like 'yEsu kAviyam', 'arthamuLLa indhumatham' were great too.
  
  VM is an amazing lyricist - it is true that he mixes lot of english words these days but only if the situation explained by the director warrants it - I don't think that necessarily leads to thamizh kolai. Just listen to some of his early 80 lyrics - rojAvai thAlAttum thendral, nI thAnE enthan, pani vizhum, iLaya nilA, thOgai iLamayil etc. They are awesome!!! Of late, he has become monotonous and his obsession with some words like 'vErvai', 'kUndhal', etc. is really irritating.
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 207.172.47.106) on: Wed Jan 9 19:57:32 EST 2002
  
  no doubt VM has given good songs, but why does he write 'Haiyo Pathikichu', 'Urinji putta' which are not TAMIL .. isn't he disgracing himself.
  
  Yes, there are lots of good points in the other threads , though some biased towards VM and it may be worth seeing for people who do not know KD better
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 207.172.47.106) on: Wed Jan 9 20:00:34 EST 2002
  
  can some diehard VM fan give the last song written by VM with all words finding a place in the tamil Agaradhi. I know it would take quite some time, but wud like to know the year..
  
  
• From: VM_Rasigan (@ 66.185.84.76) on: Thu Jan 10 02:31:53 EST 2002
  
  Listen to all "Puratsicaran" songs and let me know of any words that you cant find in the tamil Agaradhi. If you still can't find it you are probably looking at an English Agaradhi.
  
  The problem with some guys is that they only listen to widley popular double meaning songs and some crap songs and they can only comment on those. If Viramuthu writes only tamil Agaradhi songs I don't thin any directors would employ him and sadly enough rasigan above would not have any songs to listen to.
  
  So stop "mutayl mair pudungum velai" and look at the work he has done. There are many national awards awaiting for him(already proven).
  
  Can some diehard of KD fan give me the name of the todays poiet who write songs according to Tamil Agaradhi or a film director who adher to this.
  
  
• From: Mani.. (@ 161.142.78.83) on: Thu Jan 10 04:14:22 EST 2002
  
  Dear VM Rasigan,
  
  I'm VM rasigan too! But personally i feel that VM is not producing something as he really capable of. I agree that VM is good. But he is good at playing with words or 'vArthai jAlam'. I still like his 'pachaikiligal thOzhOdu' - 'mazhaiyil kUda chAyam pOga vAnavil Anantham' - it's marvelous. I just have question for him.. If he really concern about Tamizh why don't he stop writing noncense songs and only write like 'narumgiye', 'pachaikiligal' a few real good songs. Or just ask him to stop 'suya thambattam' - 'thamizh, thamizh, cinemavum ilakkiyamthAn' and just agree like vAlee that he is writing this craps for money.
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.248) on: Thu Jan 10 04:16:32 EST 2002
  
  Shanmugam, `thOgai iLamayil' is by Muthulingam & not VM:-))
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 204.154.71.125) on: Thu Jan 10 09:56:24 EST 2002
  
  vm_rasigan,
  I concur with the views of mani..Infact i will go a step further in saying VM songs appeal to masses of different kinds (That seems to me the only place where he beats KD) because he communicates in a language that is understandable to them. But u can't take that beyond limits to 'telephone mani', 'laila lailai lai' , 'urinju putta' and call that ilakiya tamil.
  
  And why should KD fans give current day's poets name who write good tamil ? Only if we give, does it make KD a good poet ? Ha, Ha, Ha !! I am having a hearty laugh at ur question..Fact remains there is no body good.
  
  As Mani says VM should write classy songs and live a decent life rather than resort to cheap songs
  
  
• From: VM_Rasigan (@ 64.231.66.187) on: Thu Jan 10 10:06:02 EST 2002
  
  Dear Fans,
  
  We are all not living in an ideal world. Producers and directors are merely taking films for commercial success. It is there fore their responsibility to reject english worded & meaning less songs. Viramuthu is merely delivering what they want. Above all song writers can only write songs for a particular situation. Majority of the films these days does'nt have any theme at all so how can we expect to see any meaning full songs?. Viramuthus statements merely reflects what he would like to write and what he is capable of. Other sad thing is that only his bad songs are getting very popular these days which eventually leads to directors asking for of that kind of songs. Mind you the ultimate aim of taking a film is for commercial success.
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 204.154.71.125) on: Thu Jan 10 10:30:15 EST 2002
  
  Agreed. It may not be entirely his fault. But VM , if he wants to maintain his status as a good illayakivadhi and a good poet should stop writing such nonsense songs.After all why does he have to cling on to the cine field and mix with the 'Sakkadai' ?? If he definitely wants to be with cinema then let him not call that illakiya tamil or even tamil.
  
  There are various forums for bringing out good work. I wish VM and Vali put up resistance to writing such songs or if they can't quit from the cine field as a protest.. then atleast the cine field will realise..
  
  The current day trend is scary. Can u imagine the lyrics of songs 10 years down the line ? Major revolution is required for saving tamil and music with tamil narumanam.
  
  
• From: VM_Rasigan (@ 64.231.66.187) on: Thu Jan 10 11:41:10 EST 2002
  
  I praise you for your eager to see songs with tamil narumanam. If Viramuthu and Vali quits the film industry I am sure Ilayaraja and Gangaiamaran would be happy take their places and make it a worst place. Viramuthu and Vali should convince the tamil film industry by constantly writing "tamil narumanamula padalgal" and uplift the standard of tamil songs. Simlly quiting would result in your concern for 10 years reduced to just 1 year. The fact is that the globalisation would have a serious impact on listeners taste by demanding more westonised music and imagine writing songs where you can hardly listen to any words. A good writer is who adapts and deliver according to the changing needs.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Thu Jan 10 12:58:24 EST 2002
  
  my words about KD being a philosophy-only writer was to point out a stereotype.
  
  I was giving an analogy that stereotyping VM as a ching chak karuvadu writer is the same as stereotyping KD as philosophy writer.
  
  You are talking about gavaskar to the wrong guy Mr. Rasigan.
  
  His 81 against SL 1986 was of 72 deliveries with full of crappy shots.. he cam in at 4 down and played all the shots that allegedlly are against his style.
  
  In his book "sunny days" he said he liked playing the shots krish srikanth did and felt remorse that he wasnt that kind of a player . He also was suprised that people thought he was trying to calm srikanth down whenever he hit a six or reverse sweep.
  
  Gavasker has even reverse swept in the Masters cup held sometime in 1993-94.
  
  When did SMG hit a century b4 lunch?
  
  See this is what i called stereo typing and mis representing history.
  
  " veedu varai uravu" " vantha naal muthal" are excellent songs.. with wonderful tunes... both MD and lyricist had put in their maximum!
  
  VM's "nizhalgal" and songs like " vidukathaiya intha vazhkai" and lot of songs he wrote for IR is largely ignored.
  
  He has proved his comptency in mots aspects of song writing.. he is also proving his competency in dappanguthu style also.. if thats the requirement he can do it.
  
  It is not upto you to determine what are high quality standards.... It is also not good for VM to pick and choose his offers....
  
  If VM starts to judge the quality of Directors and MD's he will be thrown away! KD's ordinary songs also are not being given much mention because they are old and people dont remember them...
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 204.154.71.125) on: Thu Jan 10 13:18:20 EST 2002
  
  there is no sterotype whatsoever.. many of us know SMG very well and we never know of any instance when he did want to play non-classical shots. Now u are mis-represnting/twisting that attackin play as non-classical. That is not true dear.. U can play attacking shots copy-book style. Gavaskar made 121 at Delhi. Now don't say that it was made between lunch and tea .Anyways lets put an end to cricket here..
  
  Veedu varai uravu and vandha naal even if somebody had read it in the movie and not sing it would have been a super hit. This is not a hypothetical point. If u listen carefully u will see there is only tune in this songs and hardly any instruments used by MD.
  
  Please send me clips of some hit songs of VM which don't have any music,but just with the tune has become a hit.
  
  VM is definitely competent in dappanguthu , no doubt about that.
  
  Why is VM afraid of being thrown out ? So what if he is also thrown out? doesn't writing meaningful poems give him more satisfaction than resorting to dappanguthu just to make sure he sticks to the field..
  
  /*It is not upto you to determine what are high quality standards.... */
  if u mean dappaguthu is also high quality then there is not much sense arguing..
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 63.89.188.169) on: Thu Jan 10 13:19:47 EST 2002
  
  Instead of locking horns over who's better of the two, why don't we seek out and encourage the many obscure songwriters who have contributed one or two good songs to TFM. Why don't we all wish for hundreds more lyricists into the industry instead of dealing with the given, as if that's the only possibility. TFM lyrics need to break away from history and go in new directions with fresh voices, so much so that we won't be able to tell who wrote a particular song. We need to break from the grab bag of cliches that surround every period. In Kannadhasan's reign it was Kannan-Radhai, Raman-Seedhai and in VM's time, it's the hybrid language, and the well documented list of cliches he uses.
  
  

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