Topic started by fan (@ 202.9.182.14) on Sat Jun 9 08:07:27 EDT 2001.
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arr did not use spb in jeans,bombay,kandu kondein kandu kondein,rhythm,alaipayuthe.
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- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.236)
on: Wed Jul 25 18:12:35 EDT 2001
"I feel Hariharan was horrible when he sang telephone mani pol. Also UK in Roja Roja. This is in respect to singing. They would have been different when SPB or others sing it."
Goodness..NCR..r u guys for real ? Telephone Manipol is composed to be sung in a high shrill pitch...it doesnt require a gruff booming voice..that would have spoilt the song ! Why dont you give others a chance and really open your ears and minds and enjoy the whole song experience instead of narrow-mindedly sticking on to some thing...takes the joy out of life you know...I wonder why someone had said - variety is the spice of life duh ?
- From: hypocrites (@ proxy.jf.intel.com)
on: Wed Jul 25 19:17:02 EDT 2001
Manickam,
If IR & his sons give a couple of songs to SPB (not more than that anyway) its because they respect tamil, SPB etc. but if ARR gives songs to SPB in tenali, STAR, Jodi, Mudhalvan etc, its because they are bad tunes that needs SPB to make them hits. Appadithane?
- From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.115)
on: Thu Jul 26 00:28:22 EDT 2001
SPB is getting whatever he should get. It is upto the MD to decide the singer. ARR used even MSV for appropriate song. Since SPB got an oppurtunity, he came up. ARR is trying to give oppurtunity to different people. All of them will not come up. But surely someone will come up and prove as TMS, PBS, SPB, KJY, JC, MV did.
- From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.115)
on: Thu Jul 26 00:32:44 EDT 2001
SPB is getting whatever he should get. It is upto the MD to decide the singer. ARR used even MSV for appropriate song. Since SPB got an oppurtunity, he came up. ARR is trying to give oppurtunity to different people. All of them will not come up. But surely someone will come up and prove as TMS, PBS, SPB, KJY, JC, MV did.
- From: manickham (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Thu Jul 26 06:03:11 EDT 2001
hypocrites;
I agree with u 100%, ARR uses SPB to make his bad tunes a hit, no doubt, but he uses the nasalists to sing good tunes, cos the tunes are good it will become a hit, even if extreme nasalists like, hh,uk,udit,srinivas & shanker sign it.
- From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2)
on: Thu Jul 26 10:22:03 EDT 2001
Common Trend, dont tell me about variety and how to listen a song. I dont think you had listened the song as you were explaining. The so called voice just spoiled the song. He is just horrible in that song and thats my opinion. If you feel he sang it great, I cant help it.
And its upto you to think whether I am real or not. The chance given was too much for these guys. HH,UK,Udit, Shankar and Co can sing one or two good songs but they cant go and sing every song. Its because they are not capable of doing so.
- From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2)
on: Thu Jul 26 10:25:17 EDT 2001
My earlier posting was for cosmician instead of Trend.,
- From: thirupathi_ellumali_venkatesa (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Thu Jul 26 10:37:44 EDT 2001
No more discussions about legend nasalist Hariharan, his voice sounds like he has runny & blocked nose, Shanker signs like he is going to toilet due to constipation, udit also sings through nose, he needs to use some more nasal spray!!!
pls, guys do not compare the spb, the greatest singer in India, to 3rd grade nasalist, even the greats like KJY, M.rafi, Ghantasala, ........etc.
madaiyangala, vanthutanga hh and all BS
- From: LV (@ 203.197.81.156)
on: Thu Jul 26 12:22:48 EDT 2001
merely ur saying SPB is the greatEST singer - does NOT make it so. There are a few others who are equally great - admit it or not. KJY,MR,Ghantasala.
- From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com)
on: Thu Jul 26 12:43:50 EDT 2001
NCR,
i dont think telephone mani pol wud have suited SPB at all. it is ridiculous to say all songs suit spb. I think even IR reserved his best tunes for KJY more than spb on a relative scale..
songs like "nila kaigirathu" "pachai nirame" "hai rama" suit a hariharan kind of voice.
plus the nasalist tag to HH is als not acceptable.I dont think he is a nasalist go listen to kumar sanu... if HH goes on to sing 30K songs wud u guys remove this tag.
if u say spb has good exp length and breath i agree... but sometime too much superlatives r used and other singers are also abused in the process..
- From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2)
on: Thu Jul 26 15:11:59 EDT 2001
Bharath,
I guess who has to sing a song is completely upto MD's discretion. Udit is too good in Hindi but we cant listen him singing tamil or telugu songs. He justs sucks. why should one use those singers repeatedly when there are tons of better singers available. Unless there is a motive behind it.
My opinion singers HH,UK, Shankar Mahadevan, Udit after listening to them so far is that they are having limited capabilities. If they stick to them that will do good for them. UK was too good for narumugaye and Ennavale. He sounds odd when he sings Roja Roja. Similarly Shankar Mahadevan also.
But the class of SPB is different. he fits into any situation and any type of song. When guys compare these singers to SPB or KJY which I can never imagine.
Kumar Sanu who sounds horrible can get that many awards, can sing that many songs, its no wonder HH to sing some number of songs. You know what Udit has one or two songs in every telugu film that is released now a days. Can I say him a great singer when he completes 20k odd songs? Definetely not.
- From: S T S (@ c1319060-a.stcla1.sfba.home.com)
on: Fri Jul 27 00:38:59 EDT 2001
Bharath,
Why again I think even IR reserved his best tunes for KJY more than spb on a relative scale..
. This statement is highly unwaranted. You tend to make sweeping statements, without giving a strong thinking.
HH sounds awkward in high pitches( KJY/UK has this limitation too). To me sometimes he sounds feminine. I just can't tolerate Shankar Mahadevan. Shankaraa...
SPB = Majestic.
- From: LV (@ 203.199.130.47)
on: Fri Jul 27 01:35:55 EDT 2001
STS:
Could u please elaborate on the word "feminine" wrt Hariharan's singing.
"KJY is awkward in high pitches"
Really? I never thought so!!!
- From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163)
on: Fri Jul 27 02:12:59 EDT 2001
sts
"KJY is awkward in high pitches"
go and listen to dhwani (malayalam) songs.
spb is not so majestic nowadays. however great a singer, his voice doesn't remain sweet forever. this includes spb, kjy and many others.
anbudan
mahabs
- From: sundar (@ 202.54.63.24)
on: Fri Jul 27 04:13:05 EDT 2001
It is not true that IR reserved best songs to KJY it is wrong. No body can forget Kaadhal Oviyum and Payangal mudivadhillay which brought out the whole range of SPB's talents. similarly Saagara Sangamam in telugu/tamil.IR tuned to the situations and character Portrayed :and decided the Play back.
ARR wanted prove different from other MDs and in the process brought lousy voices and horrible pronunciations in TFM. Despite giving his best in DUET ,SPB has got a raw deal from ARR getting to sing lesser/lousy songs
- From: thirupathi_ellumali_venkatesa (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Fri Jul 27 04:56:01 EDT 2001
KJY akward in high pitch, well I agree to ceratin extent(0nly in extreme cases, ver rare), but interms HH feminity, I agree 100% with u STS, but KJY is an great singer, although not in the league spb, so the eqaution is ;
SPB >= Majestic
- From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com)
on: Fri Jul 27 10:04:57 EDT 2001
STS,
I dont know how u can say I have not strongly thought! Or I dont even understand in which direction or issues one must strongly think b4 making such statements. In my opinion a person who has listened to tfm for so long must be able to say stuff naturally ( although each one may have his own preferences)
IMHO, my most fav. songs by IR have always been sung by KJY which is why I think IR reserved the best for KJY. ur opinion is the opposite so can I call urs a sweeping statement. If i just encapsulate my thoughts into a single brief line then u say I make sweeping statements otherwise u say I make long postings.(which STS u dont read fully:-) ) I dont understand.
anyway
1) en iniya pon nilave
2) gangaikara mannan adi
3) sindhu bhairavi songs
4) paartha vizhi- guna
5) manidha manidha
6) kanne kalaimaane
7) mandram vandha thendral( i am not sure abt this one)
8)gangai kara mannan adi
9) pazhamuthir solai - varsham 16.
10) senthazham poovil ..
and many mre agreed! i myself can give good examples for spb also ....but its just my personal preference( athey brahma asthram thaan! :-) )
NCR,
I agree with u completely in the case of udit narayan but HH,SM and UK are not bad. each have their own style and its that style that they wud like to make the people fav. style. imitating to become spb wud be foolishness as even spb if reborn will not be able to do it.
i will just ask u this. dont think of the great songs/records of spb. go back to "iyarkai ennum ilaya kanni" song. transport urself to that time and compare the spb of that era to these people i think that will be the correct comparison!
- From: muthu_maharajah (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Fri Jul 27 10:37:32 EDT 2001
this tpoic is abt if ARR is unfair to SPB not IR, so can we pls stick to it, nevertheless IR gave all good songs 2 SPB is aload of BS, although he may have given more carnatic style tunes to KJY, IR gave most goog songs two SPN, here r few;
1) Salangai oli
2) Khadal oviyam
3) Uyarndha ullam
4) Keladi kanmani
5) thalapthi
6) verra
7) ejaman
8) 6il irunthu 60 varai
9) payanankal mudhivathilai
10) Mellathiranthathu kathavu
11) idhyak koyil
12) karakattukaran
13) Chinnathambi (i have 2 admits some good songs were given to mano, which mano spoilt it like hell)
etc, but IR was so stupid enough to give mano all the good songs(chinathambi, o priya priya, nayagan, pandiyan), where mano butchered all of these songs, if these songs were given to SPB, they would have been super dooper hit!!!
- From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com)
on: Fri Jul 27 11:54:42 EDT 2001
//"chinathambi, o priya priya, nayagan, pandiyan"//
they r super dooper hit as per facts! now the question is what does that mean to your posting ?
- From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2)
on: Fri Jul 27 12:31:20 EDT 2001
Bharath
I can add my few of my favorites too KJY,given by IR.
Amma en - Mannan
endhan nenjil - Aathma( I am not sure )
Pottu vaitha - Idhayam
theivam thanda veedu - Rajni Movie
I always felt the song from Mannan was just for KJY even SPB couldnt do better than that
See my point is its upto MD who needs to give to the guy in hand depending upon the tune, mood of the song etc., and who can do better justice to the song. When MD thinks that since my tune is great who ever sings doesnt matter, whether there are few problems also is OK, that attitude stinks. Its nothing but to just proving something.
IMO its not that having 4-5 different guys sing different songs in a movie is a variety. One guy can sing all songs and still have variety and freshness. Its all depends upon tune and how singers render it. Other wise how could SPB, KJY, PS,SJ last for so long and still we are able to hear their songs? All earlier MD's used to do that so they gave great hits which lasted long.
Even in earlier days, greats like Ghantasala when he was in peak they gave many songs to others who really made that song great. Even Ghantasala couldnt have done those songs better.
Again I repeat the current singers have lot of limitations when compared to the limitation their predecessors(KJY,SPB). I dont know whether you or how many agree to this. This is my opinion. HH was too good in Colonial Cousins, UK was in Iruvar and Kaadalan. But the fact is they are not consistent. Also Comparing them equals to SPB,KJY doesnt make me feel good.
Just to conclude; it doesnt require SPB,KJY for Peta rap from Kadalan. Is that the reason why SPB is not getting more songs?? I am not sure.
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