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is arr unfair to spb?

Topic started by fan (@ 202.9.182.14) on Sat Jun 9 08:07:27 EDT 2001.
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arr did not use spb in jeans,bombay,kandu kondein kandu kondein,rhythm,alaipayuthe.

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• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.68) on: Fri Jul 20 17:19:49 EDT 2001
  
  Bollywood Babe...pls dont prove that you are a Bimbo...i shouldnt be posting this..but hey what the heck !
  
  
• From: fan (@ webcacheh06a.cache.pol.co.uk) on: Fri Jul 20 17:52:52 EDT 2001
  
  MS: thanx 4 correcting my phrase!!
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.182.208) on: Sat Jul 21 09:26:16 EDT 2001
  
  like spb , can anyone sing like him in north india, why was he not given bharat ratna. this is the question being posed by subbudu. when our own south indian musicians out of jealousy do not use him now, why blame the authorities in delhi
  
  
• From: IMF (@ 203.197.82.55) on: Sat Jul 21 10:36:54 EDT 2001
  
  suppudu is an idiot. Rafi was as good as SPB. U cannot use Carnatic to judge the greatness of Rafi. Can we say SPB was not good just because he cannot sing ghazals.
  
  In every way, Rafi was as good a singer as SPB.
  
  
• From: Comments (@ ac94f379.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Jul 21 16:59:44 EDT 2001
  
  I doubt SPB has intentionally reduced the number of songs he sings. Trends have changed. Earlier most of the songs would be by a single singer (like TMS or SPB). But ever since the entry of ARR that has changed. He started using 3-4 singers for an album and that is being followed by other MDs too. In the beginning, I also used to wonder why ARR was using all these singers when a much better singer, SPB, was available. But the truth is that many of the other singers are also talented and bring variety to the album. While it is strange to hear an actor singing each song with a different voice on screen it is refreshing to hear songs in different voices, styles in the same album. However, I wish the MDs would make the singers pronounce the words properly and not use them if they don't!
  
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.147.3) on: Sun Jul 22 00:35:35 EDT 2001
  
  comment, your logic though good has brought disrepute and shame to tfm who are used to hear high class singers like tms,pbs,amraja etc. in the last two decades, the versatile spb. now the singers lack quality and the songs just sound like phrases
  
  
• From: Frenchman (@ sc-66-27-204-54.socal.rr.com) on: Sun Jul 22 02:10:05 EDT 2001
  
  LV :
  
  "Hariharan is a singer par excellence, though maybe not as good as SPB , IMO. "
  
  adhu eppadInga? How can someone be par excellence and also not as good as others? Are you posting just for the sake of posting?
  
  
• From: "Brother" (@ webcacheh08a.cache.pol.co.uk) on: Sun Jul 22 04:22:03 EDT 2001
  
  I am just so upset 2 c people who do not have any sense in music(A.A) talks of junk singers like Udit, Hariharan, Shanker mahadevan, Sukvinder singh. these nasalist only survive in music world cos of ARR, he is the one who introduced these nasalist to TFM. although ARR introduce some good singers like Unni Krishnan, Unni menon, SPB.Pallavi, Anuradha Sriram, Sujatha.
  
  Dr. SPB is the one & only intermes of :
  
  1. Most beautiful voice, that is so sweet
  2. most divine voice
  3. ability to modulate extremly well
  4. Ability to sing from rock to classical without any difficulties
  5. his voice is so sweet when he talks as well
  6. He talks 4 so many actors, if the films are dubbed in other languages (Kamal, Mohan)
  7. Famous Music director
  
  I do not know if any body realises the fact that SPB has directed for 25 films!!!,(Sigaram, Thodikum karangal) that is an awful lot 4 a singer , out of all 25 he directed they were all super hit.
  
  I know for fact that S. Janaki directed for one film in tamil.
  
  Questions:
  
  1) How many films did M.rafi direct music for?
  2) How many films did KJY direct music for?
  3) how many films did TMS direct music for?
  4) how many films did hariharan direct music 4?
  5) how many films did lata or Kishor kumar direct for?
  
  I need answers !!!
  
  also that AA idiot says that "the nasalist Udit's khaal thoosu SPB, when it comes 2 melody", that just shows how stupid & idiotic he is when it comes to music!!!.
  
  I can not imagine IFM without SPB, it would stink like shit!!
  
  SPB is the lord of IFM!!!
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.66) on: Mon Jul 23 05:06:20 EDT 2001
  
  Mr Frenchman:
  
  Hariharan is very good, though I feel not as good as SPB, thats what I meant understand!! There are some fools who feel Hariharan is a 3rd grade singer, which is unfair.
  
  For instance, Unnikrishnan is quite good though not in the same league of Yesudas.
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.148.5) on: Mon Jul 23 05:17:13 EDT 2001
  
  lv , i do not know how you say hh is very good. initially he gave some good songs. now he sings awfully. usually as days go one would improve. here, it is the reverse
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.4) on: Tue Jul 24 11:58:23 EDT 2001
  
  fan:
  
  HH sings awfully???????
  No, sorry. Please give a few examples - atleast 10-15 to support ur claim.
  
  
• From: paddaiyappa (@ webcacheh01a.cache.pol.co.uk) on: Tue Jul 24 13:56:01 EDT 2001
  
  LV;
  
  HH is the king of nasalist, no doubt
  
  in thalam (taal), when he screams "kathaliyee" in the song kalaimane, he loses his manly voice at high pitch & sounds like a women, he also sings that hig pitch with a false voice.
  
  SPB would have done that 100 % better, that's all ( do u remeber the song " naanum unthan uravai (maithili ennai kathali), "unnai partha penbu naan(khadhal mannan)","Kalijan kattu kaval(kalijan)" all these vere sung by the greatest spb, so spb would have sung this song a lot better, there r so many HH's awfull songs, that I can think of!!
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.181.178) on: Wed Jul 25 00:03:00 EDT 2001
  
  lv. all the latest songs that hh sings is very bad. i wonder how he is getting chances repeatedly.i do not want to list as you can see it for yourself.
  
  
• From: muthu_maharajah (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Wed Jul 25 09:30:02 EDT 2001
  
  because most md get worried that, if they use SPB, that SPB will take very large proportion of their credit to himself, hence they use other nasalists like Hariharan, Shanker, Udit so that the MD will get all the credit, cos the mds knows that the nasalist wil not take the credit from them
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Wed Jul 25 11:43:00 EDT 2001
  
  Well said Muthu_maharaja
  
  ARR doesnt care about diction, he doesnt care about singers killing the words, finally what he want is his tune to be winner. The way he encourages different singers, show this.
  
  Anyhow most of the songs we cant even understand what singers are singing(shouting ). Earlier music directors used to take care about words in the lyrics even when the movie is dubbed.
  
  One incident happened to KVM. This came in Telugu news paper after his death. One lyricist dubbed the tamil song "Ore oru oorile ore oru raaja" in to telugu by putting the exact words. Feeling this sounding odd, KVM asked how do you say a story in telugu. Then that lyrcist told different way. Then KVM asked why dont you use those words instead of exactly translating things. Dont worry about music, I will take care of the tune. Then he changed the tune little bit to fit the words and it became a great hit.
  
  That were the standards set by those greats and this generation claim that even if there is mispronouncation, it is fine as long the tune is OK. This attitude stinks. That clearly shows they need to be winner. I cant understand why they need to use singers who cant even pronounce when there are tons of better tamil singers in the world. He doesnt do this in Hindi.
  
  The current singers are not match winners. Singers like SPB, KJY, SJ,PS can lift the tune by their capabilities. But current singers needs to try hard to make their song hit.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ dev.hrchally.com) on: Wed Jul 25 13:08:09 EDT 2001
  
  NCR,
  
  I have quite a number of queries for you.
  "he doesnt care about singers killing the words"
  Name a current MD(anyone!?) who cares about singers not killing the words?
  
  "Anyhow most of the songs we cant even understand what singers are singing(shouting )."
  Who is "we" in this sentence?Are you talking for someone else in this forum or for all TFM fans in this world?
  
  "match winners"
  Just a clarification,do you say SPB, KJY, SJ,PS were match winners in most of the cases?
  
  
• From: Manickam (@ webcacheh08a.cache.pol.co.uk) on: Wed Jul 25 16:11:05 EDT 2001
  
  trend;
  
  here r ur ans!
  
  other music want to compete with ARR, so they use ARR style of using 3rd grade nasalists like hariharan ,udit narayan, shanker & srinivas.
  
  but issagani IR & his sons atleast give one song to SPB, it's deva,harish jeyaraj,sirpy who do not make use of SPB, most of the mds use SPB in thier first couple of films to achieve thier goals, typical example ARR & Deva, once they have achieved this , they a afraid of using SPB, due to the fact that SPB will take a large proportion of their credit,it is a fact !, i am sure millions will agree with me on that!
  
  well harish devarj is disciple of ARR,but deva & sirpy are not worth discussing as they are all 3rd grade MDs, they are only in job to earn money, apart from that they lack musical knowledge!
  
  Vidyasagar, marahathamani, pavathraj are all excellent mds, but we see more deva than any of them, which is a shame for TFM, vidyasagar's karna film "malare mouna" beautifully song by SPB & SJ, can hariharan, udit, shanker,srinivas sign like spb (kiss my a**),
  
  if SPB sings any one songs, it will sound 100% better than the origanl singers of the song, I am not the only one saying it , its the whole india!!!!
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.233) on: Wed Jul 25 16:28:21 EDT 2001
  
  Manickam,
  
  "issagani IR & his sons atleast give one song to SPB"
  
  Thulluvatho ilamai , Dum Dum Dum,kaadhal jaathi,Poovellam kaettupaar!!!
  Am I missing something?
  
  
• From: Manickam (@ webcacheh06a.cache.pol.co.uk) on: Wed Jul 25 16:54:40 EDT 2001
  
  trend madaiya;
  
  what abt, "theena","kakai sirakinilye","friends","kannukul nilavu","manickham",
  that song in karthik film beautifully sung by SPB, here it is "Kavithaighal sollava, un paeyar sollava, irandrume ondru than oho",
  
  
• From: Trend (@ dev.hrchally.com) on: Wed Jul 25 17:16:47 EDT 2001
  
  Manickam,
  
  Digression:
  
  COOL man!Don't let these things get to you.If you want me to say YES to whatever you say that's fine with me(I can play that game too).
  Learn to be mentally and psychologically strong next time you make statements.
  
  It's just my expectation that your statements are 100% true as you.If that's not true,we have to live with that.
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Wed Jul 25 17:28:13 EDT 2001
  
  Trend
  
  I feel it was ARR who started the trend. Also he is the one who admits that there is no wrong in doing so. ( Killing words by allowing mispronounciation ).
  
  Thats why I feel him as responsible. As you can see many are just imitating him or trying to do what he does so it doesnt matter. Also I dont think if everybody is doing it is right thing to do.
  
  I feel Hariharan was horrible when he sang telephone mani pol. Also UK in Roja Roja. This is in respect to singing. They would have been different when SPB or others sing it.
  
  The WE in my earlier posting instead of I is because the same feeling is echoed by many in this forum.
  
  In my opinion, SPB,KJY,SJ,PS are winners as when I hear the song I feel the greatness of the singers. I dont feel the same when I hear HH,UK,Shankar, Udit. I feel the tune is winner.
  
  

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