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All-Time Great Lyrics in TFM!

Topic started by Bhaskar (@ spider-wa062.proxy.aol.com) on Fri Jun 19 01:52:00 EDT 1998.
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Friends,

Shall we discuss about some all time
great Lyrics in TFM by any Lyricist independent
of which Era in TFM!

Lyrics should be peculiar in writing, peculiar
in meaning, different in thinking, it has to be
different from the usual ones. It has to be
Unique in its approach/writing!

I shall give a few examples of some Lyrics
which I feel is very different and unique in its
style of writing, meaning and thinking!

Thanks
Bhaskar

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Responses:

• Old responses
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Mon Jun 22 20:46:22 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  
  I was recently reading the book, 'Kannadhasan:
  Thirai Isaip PaadalgaLil kaadhal' by Saami
  ThirumaavaLavan. There the author mentions that
  Kannadhasan got the idea for aththikkaai
  from a different song. avar sonna thanippaadal
  idhO:
  
  kadalaik kaaytharu maadhuLangkaai
  kaamanaar malarch cheerviLangaay
  udalaich chErvE langaayOn
  oruva vEppangkaayOdu
  padalai thandhaay thEngaai nee
  payanaar mayila mangkaayaa
  nadalaith thOgai nagar vaazhum
  naadhan aruLaar nallOnE
  
  But the seyyuL that you mentioned earlier is,
  I think, more closer to the aththikkaai kaai
  kaai song.
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Mon Jun 22 20:48:11 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  
  I forgot to ask.. if you decipher the meaning
  in the thanippaadal that I mentioned above,
  please write here.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ spider-tj084.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Jun 22 21:18:05 EDT 1998
  
  
  Kanchana:
  
  Let me start now ........ It just took me 40 Mins!
  
  Equation 1
  
  thAdhi - PanipeN
  thoodhu - Message
  theedhu - Theemai
  thaththum - Hopping
  thaththai - give up
  sollAdhu - will not tell! (Easy!)
  
  Equation 2
  
  thudhi - tip
  thoodhu - Message (Silly to guess)
  oththiththadhu - postponement (Wild Guess!)
  thoodhu - Message
  sellAdhu - will not go! (Cool to guess!)
  
  Equation 3
  
  thEdhi - Date
  thiththu - Word not in Tamizh :-)))
  thoththu - Defeat
  theedhu - Theemai
  dheivam - Kadavul (Romba easy Guess!)
  varAdhu - Will not come!
  
  Equation 4
  
  indRu - today
  thuththi - Not a Tamizh word!
  thaththum - Hopping
  thaththai - Hop!
  vAzha - To Live!
  thiththiththa pOdhu - When it was Sweet!
  
  Now I am arriving at the following formula
  meanings so far...
  
  
  panipeN Message Theemai Hopping give up will not tell!
  Tip message postponement message will not go!
  Date thiththu defeat theemai kadavul will not come!
  Today thuththi Hopping Hop to Live when it was sweet!
  
  
  Kanchana, I hope you got the meaning Clear :-))
  
  Now, I am stumbling and accusing you of coming up
  with some meaningless mumbo-jumbo! (Morse Code) :-)))))
  
  Eagerly waiting for the correct explanation!
  
  Thanks in advance!
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ spider-tj084.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Jun 22 21:24:03 EDT 1998
  
  Keerthi Sir:
  
  peN kaviyai vella vandhaa Aan kaviyaE varuga!
  
  Neenga andha Morse Code Decode panna oru try
  kudukkalamae!
  
  Naan vandhu niraya decryption algorithms ellam
  use panni paarthaen, output vara mataengudhu Sir!
  
  Neenga sollunga Sir endha Algorithm use pannalaam ?
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-06.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Mon Jun 22 21:54:45 EDT 1998
  
  Bhaskar tamizhil kalakkugireergal. I really appreciate ur eagerness to learn tamizh. Keep it up.
  
  Btw Bhaskar and kanchana in the song 'aan kaviyai'
  there are some really murpokkana varigal(bhaskar mukkiyama nammalae madhiri aalungalukku:))
  
  Oru murai dhan kaadhal varum tamizhar panpaadu
  andha oru murai dhan edhuvendru kezhvi ippodhu
  varuvadhellaam kaadhalithaal vazhvedhaavaru
  nam vazhkkaiye kaadhalithal puriyum appodhu
  
  Isnt this a new dimenstion to kaadhal??Adhuvum all the new karuthu being told by the penn kavignar
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ spider-ta023.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jun 23 00:34:38 EDT 1998
  
  Ramki:
  
  Inga USA-la, Tamizh paNpattu ulla peNgal andha
  oru murai kooda kaadhalikka mataenguraangalae
  enna panradhu ?
  
  Sanyasiyaa Himalayasukku poi vidalaamaa ?
  
  So idhula enna karuthunnae enakku puriyala ?
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-06.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Tue Jun 23 00:42:32 EDT 1998
  
  Bhaskar my interpretation is 'mudhalil ungalai kaadhalikka katrukollungal piragu ulagathil edhai vendumaanalum kaadhalikkalaam'
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jun 23 00:42:59 EDT 1998
  
  Bhaskar:
  What a unique, fun style of presenting your analyses and results! :-) Seriously, for a person who's self-taught in thamizh, that's not bad at all. Let me just briefly give the meanings in kaNNadhAsan's words:
  adimaith thoodhu payanpadAdhu kiLigaL pEsAdhu
  anbuth thOzhi thoodhu sendRAl viraivil sellAdhu
  dheivaththaiyE thozhudhu nindRAl payan irukkAdhu--ilam
  thEmal koNda kanni vAzha iniyadhu kooRu
  
  Keerthi:
  Will try to decode that cheyyuL and post it later!
  
  How about some newer songs for discussion?
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Tue Jun 23 11:08:33 EDT 1998
  
  Friends,
  
  Whenever I listen to this song, I feel like
  I am in the MIR Space Station!
  
  I feel this is one of the greatest song in TFM
  so far in its meaning, comparisons and intensity!
  
  I would like try and explore the meaning of this
  song to the closeness of its intensity!
  
  The comparisions made in this song are inexplicable!
  
  They tend to have many meanings when thought in
  many different dimensions, let us discuss about
  this unique and soulful song!
  
  Please comment on your feelings and what you
  think about this song!
  
  Movie : Paasa Malar! [Is there a Malar like this ?]
  
  Malarndhum malaraadha paadhi malar pOla
  Valarum vizhi vannamaE
  Vandhu vidindhum vidiyaadha kaalaip pozhudhaaga
  Vilaindha kalaiyannamaE
  
  Nadhiyil vilaiyaadi kodiyil thalai seevi
  Nadandha ilan thenralaE
  Valar pOdhigai malai thOnri madurai nagar kandu
  Polindha thamizh manramaE
  
  (Malarndhum .........)
  
  Yaanaip padai kondu saenai pala venru
  Vaazhap pirandhaayadaa puvi aAlap pirandhAyadA
  Aththai magalai manam kondu ilamai vazhi kandu
  Aththai magalai manam kondu ilamai vazhi kandu
  
  Vaazhap pirandhAyadA vAzhap pirandhAyadA
  Aththai magalai manam kondu ilamai vazhi kandu...
  Aththai magalai manam kondu ilamai vazhi kandu....
  Vaazhap pirandhAyadA
  
  Thangak kadiyaaram vaira maniyaaram
  Thandhu manam paesuvAr pOrul thandhu manam paesuvAr
  Maaman thangai magalAna mangai unakkAga
  Ulagai vilai paesuvAr ulagai vilai paesuvAr
  
  Maaman thangai magalAna mangai unakkAga...
  Maaman thangai magalAna mangai unakkAga
  Ulagai vilai paesuvaar
  
  Siragil enai moodi arumai magal pOla
  Valarththa kadhai sollavA
  Kanavil inaiyaadha kaalam idai vandhu
  Piriththa kadhai sollavaa......
  Piriththa kadhai sollavaa......
  
  Kannil mani pOla maniyil nizhal pOla
  Kalandhu pirandhOmadA
  Indha mannum kadal vaanum maraindhu mudindhaalum
  Marakka mudiyAdhadA uravai pirikka mudiyAdhadA
  
  mmmm mm hmmmmmmmmmmmm
  Anbe aariraaraaroa aariraaraaroa aariraaraariroa
  Anbe aariraaraaroa aariraaraaroa aariraaraariroa
  
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ dante.cs.wmich.edu) on: Tue Jun 23 11:30:03 EDT 1998
  
  Bhaskar the lines i like the most is
  
  'siragil ennai moodi
  arumai magal pole valartha kadhai sollava'
  
  kavignar beautifully portrays the protective,caring,loving nature of the brother.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-ti041.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jun 23 19:14:28 EDT 1998
  
  Bhaskar:
  thamizh nayam & kaviththuvam:
  nadhiyil viLayAdi kodiyil thalai seevi nadandha iLam thendRalE
  vaLar podhigai malai thOndRi madhurainagar kaNdu polindha thamizh mandRamE
  for its thamizh nayam.
  
  uNarchchiyin Azham:
  chiRagil enai moodi arumai magaL pOla
  vaLarththa kadhai sollavA
  
  kaNNin maNi pOla maNiyin nizhal pOla
  kalandhu piRandhOmadA
  indha maNNum kadal vAnum maRaindhu mudindhAlum
  maRakka mudiyAdhadA--uRavai
  pirikka mudiyAdhadA
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ spider-ta021.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jun 23 20:13:33 EDT 1998
  
  
  Kanchana:
  
  About the Mumbo-Jumbo Song!
  
  
  adimaith thoodhu payanpadAdhu kiLigaL pEsAdhu
  anbuth thOzhi thoodhu sendRAl viraivil sellAdhu
  dheivaththaiyE thozhudhu nindRAl payan irukkAdhu--ilam
  thEmal koNda kanni vAzha iniyadhu kooRu
  
  
  YedhO neenga solreengannu naan othukkuraen! But
  adhukkum indha lines-ukkum sambadhamae illadha
  maadhiri irukku! :-))))
  
  I think this meaning also comes in the song itself
  I should have rather directly seen in my collection :-)
  
  Thanks for the meaning!
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ spider-ta021.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jun 23 20:24:46 EDT 1998
  
  Ramki and Kanchana:
  
  Thanks for your comments!
  
  
  Malarndhum malaraadha paadhi malar pOla
  Valarum vizhi vannamaE
  
  Vandhu vidindhum vidiyaadha kaalaip pozhudhaaga
  Vilaindha kalaiyannamaE
  
  
  Can these lines be taken literally or is it
  a comparison to the sister! Is so what kind of
  comparision is this ?
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Jun 23 20:56:24 EDT 1998
  
  The song is a lullaby sung by a brother and sister to put to sleep the sister's child. The analogy of the first four lines are directly attributed to the child.
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ synergy.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Jun 23 22:05:27 EDT 1998
  
  
  All of us know well the song, thaazhaiyaam poo mudichchu
  where the hero, who has a physical defect, has a 'complex' that
  he is no good and is an unfit match for his beautiful wife, and
  his wife tries to convince him that he is 'great' in other ways.
  I recently heard a song of a similar nature in the movie, veLLi
  nilavE (yet to be released). RV Udhayakumar (he is an under-rated
  lyricist) has written the song; a newcomer named Kiran (seems to be
  a bright prospect for TFM) has scored a very pleasing tune; SPB
  and Chithra have sung the song beautifully; the orchestration
  complements the lyrics very well; lyrics stand out so well that the
  song impresses on your mind the first time you hear it. (There are
  several other good songs in the same movie: a really good album to
  watch for this year.) From the way the tune keeps changing in the
  song, I also get the feeling that lyrics were written first and the
  tune made later!
  
  Although I have no idea whatsoever about this yet-to-be-released
  movie directed by RVUdhayakumar, I can guess, from the lyrics, what
  the situation is. kaadhali padiththavaL, budhdhisaali; kaadhalanO
  konjam mandhamaanavan (probably uneducated, too). avaL EdhO konjam
  "high funda" vishayam solla, avanukku adhu puriyalai. avaLukku
  udanE sirippu vandhuduchchu avnudaya 'grasping inability'-aik
  kaNdu. andha sirippai paarththu avanukku kObam vandhududhu (not
  seriously, but sellamaaga). appO paadal aarambamaagudhu:
  
  Pallavi:
  
  kaadhali:
  kObam enna maNduk kaNNaa
  manasil mattum mannar mannaa
  vaan mEgam pOla vEgam Enayyaa
  
  kaadhalan:
  oNNum theriyaa makkup piLLai
  sollith thandhaa theerum thollai
  enmEl anbu kaattum annai neeyammaa
  
  kaadhali:
  nee pEsum mozhi kiLLai
  un paasam adhu koLLai
  ada uLLam adhu veLLai
  adhil kaLLam endrendrum illai
  
  CharaNam 1:
  
  kaadhalan:
  aaththOram azhukkuth thuvaikkum kallum naanammaa
  kOyil silai pOla vaazhum amman neeyammaa
  
  kaadhali:
  thuNiyinai thuvaippadhaal manadhinai veLuppadhaal
  reNdu kallum seyyum vElai endrum ondrudhaan
  
  kaadhalan:
  ennamO EdhO naanaRiyEnE
  nee solvadhaalE adhu sariyE
  
  kaadhali:
  ada piLLaip paadam sollikkooda puriyavillaiyaa
  
  kaadhalan:
  oNNum theriyaa makkup piLLai
  sollith thandhaa theerum thollai
  enmEl anbu kaattum annai neeyammaa
  
  CharaNam 2:
  
  kaadhali:
  thuLLith thuLLi kudaththuth thaNNi kudhippadhEnayyaa
  andharangamaaga sollum sEthi Edhayyaa
  
  kaadhalan:
  enakkuLLa kuRaiyaiththaan araikuRai aRivaiththaan
  kuRaikudam kulungi kulungi viLakkam solludhu
  
  kaadhali:
  amirdhamthaanE manasaal neeyE
  adhaivida vERE varam Edhu
  
  kaadhalan:
  adhai therinju neeyum alattikkittaa
  unakku nyaayamaa
  
  kaadhali:
  kObam enna maNduk kaNNaa
  manasil mattum mannar mannaa
  vaan mEgam pOla vEgam Enayyaa
  
  kaadhalan:
  oNNum theriyaa makkup piLLai
  sollith thandhaa theerum thollai
  enmEl anbu kaattum annai neeyammaa
  
  kaadhali:
  nee pEsum mozhi kiLLai
  un paasam adhu koLLai
  ada uLLam adhu veLLai
  adhil kaLLam endrendrum illai
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-tp083.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jun 23 22:55:34 EDT 1998
  
  Keerthi:
  Seems like a simple but meaningful song. The first charaNam's thuNiyinaith thuvaippadhanAl manadhinai veLuppadhanAl reminds me of kandhaiyilE azhukkirundhAl....un sindhaiyilE azhukkirundhAl from the "Aththu veLLam kAththirukku" song in thiruvarutchelvar. The second charaNam's kuRaikudam seems to derive from the pazhamozhi. Nice touches!
  
  Even if it is not one of Udhayakumar's best by his own high lyric-writing standards (I rank him way above the pazhanibharadhis of this world and see him as being quite different from VM), the song does stand out since it has a philosophical touch--a rarity in today's TFM.
  
  

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