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Pronounciation in TFM songs

Topic started by muthax (@ user-38ld829.dialup.mindspring.com) on Sun Sep 13 03:45:16 EDT 1998.
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Hi guys,

TFM has seen lots of singers from other languages. Some have/are
ruled/ruling the TFM for so many years. Many of these singers started
to sing in tamil without even knowing to read and write in tamil.
Still those songs have been a big hit, for the tune, lyrics and
ofcourse their talent to bring the emotion in the song. In quite a few
occasions i have noticed singers like KJY have missed some finer aspects
of singing a song - the Pronounication. Not to blame the singers
i feel the MDs of such songs shud have taken more care on the
pronounciation aspects of these singers.

In this thread i would like to mention few songs of K.J.Y where he
missed the pronounciation. This is *not to criticise* KJY or
any other singer. But just to discuss this aspect in singing a song.
I would like u all to mention other such song/singers u have come across

1. Senthazham poovil vandhadum thendral en meedhu modhudhamma
poovaasam medai podudhamma penn bolae jaadai pesudhamma

whereas it shud have been Polae

same song the line

2. Maravaen Maraven arBudha kaatchi.

where as it shud have been arPutha.

3. Ninaivaalae silai seidhu unakaaga vaithen
Therukoilae odi vaa....

whereas it shud be thru-koilae

same song
4. sendhoora bendham......

whereas it shud be sendhoora bandham

guys pour more singers and songs...

Muthax

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Responses:

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• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Thu Jan 21 10:14:58 EST 1999
  
  no one got on my nerves the way ARR did when he sang "kalloori natpukkillai muRRupulliye", in that mustafa song. arvind swamy comes a close second in iruvar poem recital. "idhai uRakkachcholvOm uLagukku, inamondraaga..." man, i could have...vidunga, appuram politeness athu ithunnu sandai aarambichchidum.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Jan 21 23:36:07 EST 1999
  
  rajaG,
  No ,what I wanted to say was that she pronounces it the mallu way.I know she is from AP.Even bagyaraj pronounces "s'a" sometimes that way.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ lab3.theatrium.net) on: Sun Jan 24 18:18:29 EST 1999
  
  I am not sure if I can call it pronunciation error but somehow I don't like the way SPB sings 'Paadu NilaavE' in Udhaya Geetham, especially the charanams. It sounds to me like he's aiming for perfection by means of trying to modernize the pronunciation.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-77-37.sprint.ca) on: Sun Jan 24 23:17:26 EST 1999
  
  karthi
  'aiming for perfection by means of trying to modernize the pronounciation'
  
  please explain what you mean
  
  
• From: karthi (@ lab6.theatrium.net) on: Sun Jan 24 23:44:04 EST 1999
  
  Aruvi,
  Just listen to the lines ending like this in that song:
  
  ..........kAdhal vara
  .......Oodhum nAdhaswaram
  
  IMO, the way especially these words are sung are very much non-Tamil like. Don't ask me what I mean by non-Tamil like because I cannot explain it in words.
  
  
• From: rs (@ sungold5.uk.ibm.com) on: Tue Jan 26 06:49:54 EST 1999
  
  karthi: i just listened to the song. But i am not able to get the feel of non-Tamil like. It was perfectly okay for me.
  
  Any thoughts
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Tue Jan 26 16:36:07 EST 1999
  
  
  Karthi,
  
  I too don't get the feel of non-Thamizh like when I hear that song. Anyway, you have told
  
  > Don't ask me what I mean by non-Tamil > like because I cannot explain it in words.
  
  So I am not asking anything. Sorry Karthi, enakku music knowledge konjam kammi. Adhanaalayo ennavo neenga solla varadhu enakku puriyalai.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ urcom1.solocup.com) on: Tue Jan 26 20:45:36 EST 1999
  
  Ayyo, appadi ellam illa shan!
  
  EnnavO SPB andha lines-la romba 'alattara' madhiri naa unarRen, avlodhAn. AdhnAlEyE enakku adhu 'thamizh mAdhiri' thOnala. He could have sung those lines IMO normally!
  
  
• From: Shan (@ 208.236.83.6) on: Tue Jan 26 21:06:35 EST 1999
  
  
  Karthi,
  
  Naan unmayai dhaan sonnaen. I will hear to the song again. What I wanted to say was since I am a great fan of SPB, maybe that is why I am not able to find what you have mentioned in that song. SPB paithiyam en kannai marachuducho appadinnu thonudhu. I will hear to the song again. Anyway, thanks for the info.
  
  
• From: nakkeeran (@ inet-fw1-o.oracle.com) on: Thu Jan 28 15:26:31 EST 1999
  
  karthi,
  
  i think i get your point. i.e. nadhaswaram, right? he pronunced the soft 'dha' as in telugu/kannada/hindi which is not in tamil. but, that's ok i feel.
  
  i cant resist but bring in this from 'mustafa..'
  
  kalloori natpukkillai mutrup pulliye instead of 'puLLiye'
  
  whatever ARR meant!!( AFIK, pulli is a botanical term in tamil)
  
  
• From: SM (@ 208.236.83.26) on: Thu Jan 28 17:37:09 EST 1999
  
  
  Hi,
  
  Regarding the "kalloori salai" song, rendered by ARR, in "Kaadhal Dhesam" which goes like this :
  
  "pasiyai marandhum pennaikandu
  kalvi marandhum pennaikandu
  kakkakkakkakkakka kalloori salai"
  
  "Dindigul" I.Leoni once referred to this song as "ennayya idhu pichakkaaran vaandhi edutha maadhiri. Idhu ellam oru Thamizh paatta". Ironically, this song is preceded by quite a melodious number (I think it was sung by Hariharan), which goes like this :
  
  "inbathai karuvaakkinaaL penn
  ulagathil manidhanai uruvakkinaaL penn
  vinnavarkum mannavarkum vilayatra selva pen"
  
  After this ARR takes over and the first time I heard it, I was literally shocked. I thought something has happened to my player. As a fan of ARR, I sincerely feel ARR can stop doing such experiments in the name of "fusion" music or whatever it is and come out with some better nos. And more sincerely, I feel he can stop singing some songs. Wonder what? This song and "Mustafa" were also mega hits and reigned as no.1 or no.2 in some Sat-Tv top 10 list, even though the same film had another good song "enai kaanavillayae netrodu". I feel ARR gets more appreciation for these kind of songs than what he gets for the melodious numbers. Maybe, this is a wrong trend.
  
  
• From: Clarify (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Jan 28 17:39:16 EST 1999
  
  Ok, here's one more to add to the (growing) list of songs atrociously pronounced by singers. The culprit this time: Our very own IR. In the (short) song Nanba Nanba from Desiya Geetham, he keeps saying
  
  Desam kakka seidha Dhyagam ellam Veenada .
  
  Should'nt it be Thyagam. It sounds jarring, especially coming from IR.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ urcom1.solocup.com) on: Thu Jan 28 20:52:34 EST 1999
  
  Hi nakkeeran,
  
  I'm happy you somehow concur with me but on the exact point: specifically, it's the way he ends the words, 'ra' in .....kAdhal vara and
  'ram' in nAdhawaram, anyway i may be way too picky about it, sorry!
  
  
• From: nakkeeran (@ inet-fw4-o.oracle.com) on: Fri Jan 29 13:40:49 EST 1999
  
  karthi,
  
  nothing to feel sorry about here! if you grew up listening to TMS songs, i mean only his tamil ones - not those with english words, you probably have a higher standard of pronunciation for songs. but, i grew up listening to SPB songs, so i dont think bad about his pronunciation. thinking this way, it wont be a surprise if ten years down the line we hear arguments in the same DF that 'mustafa..' has very good pronunciation! will it be TFM that time is a million $ question!!
  
  
  
• From: You-too-Raja? (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Jan 29 14:09:33 EST 1999
  
  One more IR's mispronounciation, I think is in "yennoda ulagam veru.." from KM.In the first stanza, Raja goes like :
  "Anbu cheethaiyai kondu vanthaen..".
  
  Yaanaikkum adi sarukkum!
  (Or, is that how the prototype of Napoleon's character in the movie speaks. I mean , is that how a native of the area of wherever it is Napoleon is supposed to belong to in the film, pronounces?
  I think so, I think so. :)
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Fri Jan 29 23:28:06 EST 1999
  
  raj,
  In sutha tamizh u can't say anbu selvi rather u pronounce it anbuchchelvi (I presume the song goes like anbu seedhai- Mrs.RAmA).Gramatically it's correct.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.142) on: Sat Jan 30 03:24:29 EST 1999
  
  KJY sings KiLi(parrot) as kili (same l as puli in Tiger) in the `Poovizhi vasalil yaradi vandhadhu' (Film is Deepam, MD is IR) SJ sings beautifully the verse on that song.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ hydrec2.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Sat Jan 30 03:54:27 EST 1999
  
  Shankar, I thought so, I thought so- Isaignaniyavathu, thappu pandrathavathu :)
  But , Napoleon enna antha padathula thamizh vaathiyaara suddha tamizh pesa. What I think is his character will be from some region where this is the norm in pronounciation .
  
  All the same, in the same there are lines which go:
  "Rendum inge SUTTHI varugadhadi".
  Inge, chutthi-nu sollalai IR!
  Ennavo, "Yaanaikkum adi sarukkum"-nu thaan thondrathu!
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Sun Jan 31 01:08:26 EST 1999
  
  Raj,
  maRupadiyum thappu paNNreenga. ingE suththi enbadhai appadi dhAn sollaNum. idhuvE naga suththi nu solAma nagachchuthi nu sollaNum. i'm not sure about the rules when to use 'ch' bfore 's', but I add 'ch' in appropriate places (sithiramum kaippazhakkam) :-)))
  
  
• From: V. Suresh (@ ti34a24-0105.dialup.online.no) on: Sun Jan 31 09:09:43 EST 1999
  
  Although the mother-tongue of the singer does influence his diction and pronunciation, it must nonetheless be said that without the likes of KJ Jesudoss - Malayalee, PB Sreenivos - a Telugu, SPB - a Telugu, TM Soundararajan a Sourashtrian, Tamil film music would have not been what it has been today. In fact, my favourite PB Sreenivos imparts so much feeling and passion to his songs that any accent related aberrations are hardly noticeable. Well, we would never have had immortal hits like "Kalangalil Aval Vasantham", "Nilavukku en mel ennadi Kovam", "Chinna Chinnna Kannanukku" to name a few if Music directors had insisted on Tamil natives alone to sing Tamil songs
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Sun Jan 31 09:36:35 EST 1999
  
  Shankar, neenga sonna sari thaan:)
  Raja Raja thaan... I withdraw my allegation :)
  
  
• From: rajni for president (of the bus conductor union) (@ 207.43.195.202) on: Tue Feb 2 12:35:34 EST 1999
  
  I hope there are no 'Rajni fans' cribbing about pronunciations in TFM here. ennikki neenga avar dialoguesa (with some good pronunciation occassionally) accept paNNeengaLo, annikkE you have lost all rights to crib about TFM pronunciation.
  
  Avar oru dhadava sonnaalum, nooru dhadava sonnalum, avar accent/lisp maaraadhu.
  
  
  

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