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Compare and Contrast IR's musical style(s), especially with the BGM tracks, with those of composers of Hollywood

Topic started by Music_lover (@ 202.141.98.226) on Wed Apr 28 08:58:08 EDT 2004.
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Compare and Contrast IR's musical style(s), especially with the BGM tracks, with those of composers of Hollywood, viz., Maurice Jarre, Henri Mancini, John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, Bernstein, John Barry, Alan Sylvistri, Danny Elfman, Ennio Morricone, Howard Shore, Hans Zimmer, James Horner and so on

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• From: Osho (@ 203.197.136.34) on: Tue May 18 06:37:34 EDT 2004
  
  Srivatsan, The link is out dated i guess.
  
  
• From: Srivatsan (@ 129.188.33.222) on: Tue May 18 06:51:33 EDT 2004
  
  sorry Osho, there was a typo in my post: Please see the proper link here: http://www.geocities.com/ilaiyaragam/rajaresearch.htm
  
  
• From: prabhudas (@ 24.239.166.14) on: Tue May 18 11:56:41 EDT 2004
  
  Guys Digression again..
  "Dear NY metro area Music Fans,
  
  The venue for the NY gathering is in the process of being finalised this evening ( most probably in the Flushing Ganesh Temple hall) for the Saturday evening ( May 22nd). I request all music fans from NY metro area to make yourself free to participate and contribute as much as possible for the program and the success of "TIS" project. There will be a surprise guest who would be willing to preside the function ( who as worked with Maestro in few of the greatest songs of Tamil,...hint.... Rajaparvai) again this will be confirmed by this evening.
  
  For sincere fans of Music( Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam), if you happen to be out of NY or Tristate area please feel free to inform your freinds and relatives who live in NY to attend the program, because of the short time period I am trying to find as many different ways as possible to inform maximum number of
  fans to make use of this great opportunity
  ( It is nice weather here in NY, it is a weekend,and there are easy means to reach the venue and of all it is a life time opportunity to associate oneself with a great project like this involving Tamil literature and music by none other than the living legend Maestro IR)
  
  Dear "serious this time ",
  since there was a gathering in NJ in Jan 2004, it has been decided to have the gathering at NY for the benefit of wider exposure to greater number of people in NY for this prject.
  
  Teja, Jag and other telugu fans, If you happen to read this post, please inform y(o)ur telugu fans from NY area to attend the program.
  
  "Music_lover", "Music is Life" I think one of you is from NJ, please see if you could attend with some of your friends.
  
  Please suggest if there are any other active forum, usergroups where this can be anounced to reach more fans in NY/tristate area( due to short time period).
  
  Prabhudas AKA Pinchi Srinivasan"
  
  End Digression
  
  
  
• From: Music_lover (@ 202.141.98.226) on: Tue May 18 12:35:13 EDT 2004
  
  Prabhudas AKA Pinchi Srinivasan - I am not in NJ - I am very much in Mera Bharat - India! in fact, I was to have been on a short visit to Indiana this week - would have coincided with IR's visit - but I had to cancel my trip at the last moment
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Tue May 18 13:57:44 EDT 2004
  
  Srivatsan..It is quite possible I may be wrong. One count example I myself can think of is - enna solli paaduvathO:En mana vaanil. The strings are so tightly woven with the vocals, I have never seen such integration before. The Maestro defies any generalisation. I only hope he would excuse me for any errors on my part and only take it positively.
  I was in India, last october, but could not meet either Father Jegath or the Maestro, as my now 3 year old son, was not well. NY/NJ Maestro fans have a very good opportunity to meet an icon. If westerners think of Taj Mahal and the poverty or probably software offshoring at the mention of India. To me India reminds me of my language (tamil) and the music of the Maestro.
  
  
• From: Critic` (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Wed May 19 01:13:57 EDT 2004
  
  dai..dai dai..biruththunga da...
  
  ennamo JGum andha Greenwayum menakkattu poi IR cassetta kettu dhan compose pannina madhiri perareenga...podango...what IR did is what is there for years....Holly wood composers won't even in their remotest of coincedence would have heard about IR...
  appo\uram...about his first sympony...epdi pa..paththu padhinoru varushama releasea aagaadha..yaarum kekkadha oru sym-phonya paththi ipdi discuss panreenga...don't you people feel ashamed...is it not a bare superstitious worship of a map..who is good no doubt but..juts a man.Enna gada..first let IR do some thing in grand scale...and consistently for some years then lets see..First let his stop begging for money and films...adhuve oru periya maanakkeda thavirkum.
  
  
• From: Osho (@ 203.197.136.34) on: Fri May 21 08:22:30 EDT 2004
  
  The posting by Music_Lover in another thread
  
  hey - check out this link !
  
  http://www.wnyc.org/legacy/shows/newsounds/nsoct2000.html
  
  Critic, the above link is especially for you.
  
  Guys, sorry for the hiatus. Will be back tomorrow with a few more mixes. In the mean while, please dont let the thread die. :)
  
  
• From: Music_lover (@ 202.141.98.226) on: Fri May 21 08:33:56 EDT 2004
  
  Osho - please ignore the postings by the likes of Critic - silence is the best way, we can ignore such characters and maintain the sanctity of the thread -
  
  my apologies to you Mr.Critic if i have offended you in anyway
  
  
• From: Osho (@ 203.197.136.34) on: Sat May 22 03:20:46 EDT 2004
  
  Any one who would have watched various bond movies, would have surely given a thought about how IR would have fit to the schemes in spy/ action/ adventure movies. John barry who did countless bond movies has a jazzy touch to his scores that is so evident in all bond scores. I was wondering if there was any parallel for that kind of score in tfm.
  
  Raja would have done so many such scores, for our all flying heroes, who with out the technical mastery of the western films, can manage (albeit awkwardly) to fly between two buildings, escape (without a scratch!) from the thousands of bullets trying to kiss them. The visuals may not be as good as their western counterparts, but i have always believed that the score is competent enough.
  
  To support my above argument, i will present the “Johny” chase track. Absolutely bind boggling theme. One can easily draw a parallel with that of John Barry’s bond scores. The way the percussion and the guitar are used is absolutely phenomenal. The guitar (Bass Guitars!!) riffs indicates the gravity of the situation the protagonist is in and his constant attempt to come out of the mess he is in. One thing that stands out of this track is the transition when the adventure centric track deviates for a subtle period to show his helplessness. (Or is it the suffering of his loved ones. Some one who have seen the movie please explain!) (from 03.08 to 03:20). This is truly class, an out and out adventure score.
  
  Uploaded to the coolgoose repository is the “Johny” track
  
  http://www.coolgoose.com/go/song?id=118079
  
  By the way, music_lover, gyan, k, srivatsan and others, if you have listened to john barrys “Dance with the wolves” theme, there is a intermittent percussion play that don’t gel with the theme, yet its so intriguing. Have IR done such sort of scores?.
  
  
• From: Osho (@ 203.197.136.34) on: Sat May 22 04:12:40 EDT 2004
  
  
  This is funky!. This track from vikram, on the genre of action/ adventure film again establishes the fact that IR given a theme, as such would have made countless unforgettable tracks in Hollywood movies famous for its make believe adventure themes.
  
  The way IR uses janaki for the vocal overlaps to mesmerizing effect and the electric guitars weaves a magic that will leave us all gasping for breath for some time. Listen to the track from http://www.coolgoose.com/go/song?id=118083
  
  A perfect theme for a maverick!!. So funky. :)
  
  Gyan, you were asking for a compelling theme on the likes of U2 (Mission Impossible theme), if possible hear Astor Piazzola 12 monkeys theme. (its as compelling as the u2 version).
  
  
• From: Gyan (@ 4.158.117.186) on: Sat May 22 19:57:28 EDT 2004
  
  http://www.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/22052004-2.shtml
  
  3 European nations (Webber, UK; Pascal Heni France; Mossima Simmonini - Italy) now are admiring Indian film music as "expansive", particularly IR' Italians think is Kaalidascopic. Meaning various pieces put together. Let them take their time to understand that a 1 hour Symphony can sound very captivating as a 4 IR composition or for that matter, any other Indian film song. Yes, it is memorable to hear the same few symphony for 4 centuries, what about something new, different, faster, brilliant, thrilling, etc.. and why not an Indian film song, an exquisite and brilliant art form condemned as farcical tree hugging overtures by our own upper-class and even middle-class? Wake up, music lovers. Hear the song, hundreds of thousands of them, made possible by the natural outcome of cultural, spiritual progress and openness.
  
  once someone said in the forum, film songs of India is going to be the most captivating musical form ever. Massimo has made it happen in Italy thru IR.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Sat May 22 21:49:41 EDT 2004
  
  Osho..man that track was too ahead of its times, I think. Sounds like some modern day dance loops. Gyan's vikram bit was really great. Bass, drums, electric guitar - I can't believe IR went around the villages of TN with a tabla accompanying his brother paavalar. It looks like he has hanging out with long haired rock musicians too much :) :)
  BTW, who are you guys ? where from are you guys digging out such high quality BGM bits ?
  I dont really listen to BGM that much. Actually, I was never into movies, saw very little during my childhood. But I liked IR songs, especially after coming to the US. The main thing I like about his music, is the flow and the parallelism in it (i am CS graduate). It is this western concept of harmony married to a indian melody that keeps my mind perked/intrigued at the same time providing some sort of relaxation/stress relief that I like about his music. Lot of people make very good music, but this therauputic effect is what makes IR's music so special, in my experience.
  
  
• From: Osho (@ 203.197.136.39) on: Sun May 23 00:58:11 EDT 2004
  
  k, the vikram bit is actually cut and paste from the "Vikram" song sung by Kamal for the film Vikram. This is what i am trying to emphasize, his songs are a class with or without the vocals. I love the instrumentation in his songs as much as i love the vocals. They actually emote as much as the lead vocal do.
  
  

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