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thiruvasakam in symphony

Topic started by Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 67.83.146.59) on Mon Apr 7 15:33:24 EDT 2003.
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http://www.thiruvasakaminsymphony.com/v_eng.htm#8a

Official audio release from Ilaiyaraaja.

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• From: jegath (@ 61.2.32.162) on: Sun Nov 21 02:59:26 EST 2004
  
  Dear Music Lover,
  Kindly wait for a day.
  I shall respond.
  
  fr.jegath
  
  
• From: Cynical but patient (@ 202.156.2.186) on: Sun Nov 21 06:26:31 EST 2004
  
  Aakkapporutthavanukku Aarapporukkalaiyaam.....All have waited so long for this project...lets just hope it does not end up like the London Symphony, and at least be released some time soon for us all to enjoy.
  
  
• From: gopal (@ 165.21.154.17) on: Sun Nov 21 09:11:26 EST 2004
  
  salutations
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ 165.21.154.11) on: Sun Nov 21 09:45:38 EST 2004
  
  Dear SSSSAV.
  
  You, Fr Jegath and everyone involved in this noble project have done a very good job. Congratulations
  
  I think there is not enough publicity. I spoke to people including some from Tamil Nadu and the US about this. I was surprised by their total ignorance.
  
  How about uploading a sample clip of the finished work. This might spur the interest of all music lovers resulting in greater publicity.
  
  You may also consider getting Tamil Radio stations around the world to help publ;icise it One such station you can try is Singapore's OLI 96.8, rated the top Tamil Radio station in the world. It has listeners worldwide and is always enthusiastic over anything concerning Tamil
  
  Thank you
  
  
• From: Music_lover (@ 203.200.58.136) on: Mon Nov 22 01:36:00 EST 2004
  
  Gopal - you have a point there - besides, I have some suggestions in this context
  
  (i) Within India itself, if the ICCR is alerted about the TIRUVASAKAM album, it will be a big marketing move - I am saying this because, for 80% of legitimate foreign tourists visiting India, frequent ICCR offices for information -
  
  (ii) how about contacting the Information and Broadcasting Ministry and request them to air information on Tiruvasakam album in DD and AIR ? DD anyway airs information on so-so movies like DEVDAS
  
  (iii) the BARNES and NOBLE Chain in the USA attracts people with specific tastes to its CD section - world/new age music is quite popular and sought after in those sections - getting BARNES and NOBLE Chain to market this project will take care of much of the discerning audiences in at least the USA
  
  (iv) for all this to happen, a firm decision has to be made to sign a deal with some proper Music label, like SONY, UNIVERSAL, etc
  
  
  
• From: Vazhipokkan (@ 40.0.40.10) on: Mon Nov 22 10:10:57 EST 2004
  
  Music has no language, no barrier says IR. He is also very happy that he is born to score symphony for Thiruvasagam.
  
  http://www.dinakaran.com/daily/2004/Nov/22/flash/flasnews20.html
  
  
  
• From: Vazhipokkan (@ 40.0.40.10) on: Tue Nov 23 15:26:14 EST 2004
  
  Ilayaraja gives some details about Thiruvasagam
  
  http://www.dinamani.com/Cinema/CineItems.asp?ID=DNC20041123120021&Title=Cinema+%2D+News&lTitle=%F9Nn%A7Ls
  
  
• From: i (@ 165.21.154.11) on: Thu Nov 25 09:56:40 EST 2004
  
  Dear People.
  What is happening. Why this silence. Please update. Thank you
  
  
• From: t (@ 152.3.196.68) on: Thu Nov 25 18:43:23 EST 2004
  
  http://www.hindu.com/2004/11/26/stories/2004112603032000.htm
  
  
• From: Cynical but patient (@ 202.156.2.186) on: Thu Nov 25 21:46:20 EST 2004
  
  t
  
  Excellent article!!! We hope to see more of such coverage in other newspapers and magazine soon. This is one great way of bringing the project to the knowledge of the general mass. Free advertisements too. We also need to put in effort to get some publications in Times and Asiaweek kind of regional magazines with even wider readership.....
  
  
• From: cm (@ 202.156.2.186) on: Thu Nov 25 21:46:34 EST 2004
  
  t
  
  Excellent article!!! We hope to see more of such coverage in other newspapers and magazine soon. This is one great way of bringing the project to the knowledge of the general mass. Free advertisements too. We also need to put in effort to get some publications in Times and Asiaweek kind of regional magazines with even wider readership.....
  
  
• From: poornima (@ 61.247.251.16) on: Fri Nov 26 02:10:51 EST 2004
  
  It's not "Thiruvaasagam in symphony".
  It's call "Thiruvaasagam oratario"
  
  I hope you guys understand what it means.
  
  All tamil MD's are gonna copy this style.
  
  
• From: g (@ 203.125.115.34) on: Fri Nov 26 05:15:13 EST 2004
  
  Well done Poornima.
  
  
• From: vik (@ 203.145.156.130) on: Fri Nov 26 07:00:32 EST 2004
  
  Fine article.
  by the by, can anyone give the definition of the term oratario and why it should not be called TIS.
  
  
• From: g (@ 203.125.115.34) on: Fri Nov 26 07:33:40 EST 2004
  
  Poornima, please help Vik.
  
  
• From: SSSSAV (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Sun Nov 28 21:40:00 EST 2004
  
  A new link will be updated shortly explaining what is an ORATARIO .
  I tried to explain it in a previous post but you can know more from this link.
  Pl. bear with us.
  P.S. I was away for TG day and hence the silence.
  YIA!!
  
  
• From: kiran (@ 202.73.40.66) on: Sun Nov 28 23:25:39 EST 2004
  
  HOPE IR WONT LOOSE INTEREST IN FILMS AFTER GETTING SATISFIED WITH HIS TIS Project.....
  
  
• From: 234234 (@ 199.181.174.146) on: Sun Nov 28 23:28:38 EST 2004
  
  I have a doubt. When we all Illayaraja's music fans are contributing for TIS/TIO/TBI, what about famous film personalities who gives speeches as they admire his music. for example , Kamal Haasan, i feel they can contribute more. Did they contirbuted any amount without revealing it to media. Please those who are close to the project tell us why they didn't ask any contribution from Movie personalities to whom IR has done lot through his music.
  
  
• From: kiran (@ 202.73.40.66) on: Mon Nov 29 01:10:33 EST 2004
  
  SSSSAV,
  
  this link about oratorio.....why wait when got google...
  
  http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/cmp/g_oratorio.html
  
  
• From: g (@ 203.125.115.34) on: Mon Nov 29 03:05:45 EST 2004
  
  SSSSAV/Fr Jegath
  
  Thank you for breaking the silence, it kind of assuaged a bit of my hunger for more news on TIS.
  The silence was torturing.
  I deeply appreciate you, Fr Jegath and your team"s commitment to the fullfilment of this noble project, despite your busy schedule balancing family life, work life and all that.
  
  Fr Jegath mentioned in his last posting in TIS-USA of a press meet scheduled to be held on 28/11/2004.How did it go. Any updates on that.
  Thank you
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 161.114.64.73) on: Mon Nov 29 05:09:49 EST 2004
  
  TIO suits better than TBI, AIMO
  
  
• From: SSSSAV (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Mon Nov 29 13:20:21 EST 2004
  
  Thanks, Kiran!
  Here is what we wrote on the 19th, just to recollect!!
  "IIR tried to do a symphony on Thiruvasakam initially.
  But, as he went along in the journey, and especially after recording the aforesaid symphony in Hungary, that's when he realized that it can be shaped better with additional musical and vocal forms to make it appeal better and probably changed it to this ORATORY format, which he didn't let us know but went about adding instruments and voices continuously which made us to feel that something greater is cooking up here and we were anxiously and eagerly waiting to know what it is going to be!!
  He kept this as a surprise from us and kept it to himself for reasons only known to him!!
  But, we have taken every steps to not to lag behind once we knew it and that's why we have tried our best to keep you informed of this change, the moment we knew and even posted a short description of the ORATORY in our site[tis-usa.com]. "
  YIA!!
  
  
• From: Kannan Sanderson (@ 61.95.227.65) on: Thu Dec 2 05:11:40 EST 2004
  
  SSSSAV
  
  It is ok that finally it has been decided to call this a music in Oratory format. But the fact that when vocal -solo and group voices- are involved then it can never be a symphony format.
  
  But the most important thing now is "When are you guys going to release?" having created so much hype during the last few months.
  
  Anything concrete happening on that front because suddenly there seems to be a total silence here in this forum as well as the Tis web site.
  
  As to Fr Jegath's comments that big companies like Sony/Universal are not interested in South Indian music, I would like to add some thing.
  
  No music company will touch a product unless they have a clarity on the target audience and target market. That too a product for which already you guys have pumped in so much money.
  
  Lack of knowledge and planning is evident here in the way in which things happened. Of course, the attitude seem to be "after all it is other peoples money" and the supreme over confidence that once complete then this product will sell like a hot cake. And we will not only return the n number of blokes from whom loans have been taken but make enough money to do this and that etc.
  
  To give you an example, I don't understand why you should go Mumbai for voice mixing when it is Tamil vocals you are mixing. Because it is common knowledge that it would have cost 10 times more than what it costs in Chennai.
  
  Secondly, people finally buy the product for the final quality and not just for recording quality or the recording engineer. Just because a Grammy award winning recording engineer did a product, you can not hope to win a Grammy. But eventually these kind of things add up to your project cost. That is where a lack of clarity in your objective and planning come to the fore.
  
  And you guys talk about a CD at $20 some thing which is way above what the market can absorb. Even top selling album of the pop, rock variety does not cost more than $10 to 15.
  
  Basically where to fit in this product, that must be big question for any label that consider taking up this product.
  
  It is not a plain orchestral work. Because in that case, at least on paper, the whole world becomes your potential market.
  
  It has vocals in Tamil. So you have to restrict yourself to Tamil and Tamil speaking market.
  
  But then there also there is an added dampener. It is not just Tamil but also in English.
  
  So eventually it looks like in all your hype, hero worship and over enthusiasm you seem to have created a product which no one wants to touch. Even if some one takes it up, it is not going to be with a fat down payment as you guys might be imagining.
  
  You may have to spend for the initial marketing blitz. Eventually the record company will pay only so much for every piece sold after deducting for their marketing, distribution and margin. So for a $10 end price, you may get about 4 or 5 to give you an example.
  
  In the end, you have clearly over spent far above the possible returns. Of course, the total collections and expenses details are yet to be published. But even a guesstimate must be mind boggling, I am sure. Because there were hints in some of the mails and announcements that this initial project cost will touch Rs.1.0 crore. That is really a huge sum for a 60 minute album, if you know music business!
  
  All the best in your efforts.
  
  Kannan Sanderson
  
  
• From: zz (@ 203.145.176.177) on: Thu Dec 2 08:02:00 EST 2004
  
  Hey are you that Kanna from Sydney??
  
  Welcome man.
  
  Lets not pass the judgement over this product before it is out..
  
  I never dreamt that this project will reach this far..Now that it has reached...I am sure the little inches that it needs to cover will be done so in no time.
  
  But your anology on the financials of the product sounds logic.
  
  

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