Topic started by Ranga (@ webcacheh04a.cache.pol.co.uk) on Sat Aug 4 09:50:57 EDT 2001.
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Dear Fans, as you know Padmashree Dr.SPB is greater than or equal to M.rafi in all aspects, but SPB's voice has lot more bass,manly voice & very deeper voice than any other singers in IMF, the rest of discussion is left for SPB fans
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- From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.136)
on: Mon Oct 22 05:47:41 EDT 2001
All following qots was found after lot of reserch.
Leta Mangeskar: "I thinks Mano have bestest voice in the hole univers".
Kisor Kumar: "Mano my man"!
P. Susheela: "Mano muthalan kattai deeper than SPB ettan kattai".
V.S. Naipaul: "Mano get firstest nobil price and SPB second bestest".
Sendil: "Sankarabaranam song actually singed by Mano. SPB have cold that day and no sing so Mano singed".
Ladies and gentlemen, now you kno hu is the bestest divinest singer in yuniverse???
- From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Mon Oct 22 05:53:57 EDT 2001
Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.136) ;
what is your fukin problem, I kindly asked your question, but you fukin post some sh*t, has your wife left you, or have you lost your manhood or something, perhaps you never had the manhood in the first place, just fuk off from this thread
- From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.134)
on: Mon Oct 22 06:15:47 EDT 2001
Yu no get angri, man. OK??
- From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Mon Oct 22 06:29:31 EDT 2001
Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.134)
what is your problem, then why do you behave like an idiot???, attend some special english class b4 posting!!!
I said, we will stop this nonesense, act maturely but you are not up to it. you are also insulting SPB, imagine if he does visit this page, how he will be offended, so for god's sake stop it, & do not use my name, use your own name, that's why your parents have given you a name
- From: fan (@ 202.9.180.205)
on: Mon Oct 22 07:05:33 EDT 2001
raghuvaran 212., you ignore raguvaran 64. totally. that is the best way to deal with 64.
dont respond to anything he writes . just ignore him
- From: fan (@ 202.9.180.205)
on: Mon Oct 22 07:07:38 EDT 2001
it is a great tragedy that the greatest ever actor was not recognised by the Government of India. Similarly the greatest ever singer is being given the same treatement. spb is above all awards in this universe. Only goddess Saraswathi can honour him
- From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Mon Oct 22 08:30:42 EDT 2001
fan (@ 202.9.180.205) ;
yeah you are right, I will pardon this idiot, you are right about Sivaji & SPB, Sivaji is not known well in India, even though, he was the best actor in India, but all southies know dilip kumar, rajesh khanna, raj Kapoor, amitabachan, mithun cakaraborti,...etc, same principle apllies to SPB, even though he is the greatest singer in India, M.rafi, KK are more famous than him, in North India, it is nothing but the northies narrow minded views.
- From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.130)
on: Mon Oct 22 08:45:56 EDT 2001
Chappaathi chappaathi thaan roti roti thaan!!
- From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.145)
on: Mon Oct 22 08:51:28 EDT 2001
Imagin other singers you insult visit this page! How the feel?? Imagine!!
tikke???
- From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Mon Oct 22 09:09:18 EDT 2001
Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.145) ;
Agree, that's why I said, we will stop this none sense & act like matured adults, but you are so fond of your chappathi & paratha, what Can I do???
- From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.131)
on: Mon Oct 22 09:36:39 EDT 2001
Maybe both the Raguvarans are under a consipracy to entertain the ezily entertained...It takes 2 to tango but only one schizophrenic to tangle wit himself. Isn't it strange how both Raguvarans come online at the same times and are interested in the same threads, and have the same way of writing. eg. Double Exclamation marks (!!) and triple Question marks (???). You can fool some all the time, you can fool all some of the time, but you can't fool all, all the time Raguvaran (or Raguvarans, for the benefit of the split ego). For those still puzzled about the 2 Ips, it's not hard to use different IPs using the same terminals. Tat's my conspiracy theory for today.
- From: T.S.SESHADRI (@ 210.214.242.97)
on: Mon Oct 22 10:50:44 EDT 2001
MY VOTE SPB
- From: CLK (@ 202.68.135.137)
on: Mon Oct 22 11:09:30 EDT 2001
Yeah i agree that SPB is the best singer.He all the things required for singing.Most impotantly the expression in his voice and pronounciation.All todays so called young singers lack this.I dont know why peole are encouraging such singers.Horrible pronounciation.Its happening in all the languages ala telugu.Susila,Janaki,Chitra etc though have different Mother tongues there pronounciation is superb.
- From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Mon Oct 22 11:39:59 EDT 2001
T.S.SESHADRI (@ 210.214.242.97)
&
CLK (@ 202.68.135.137)
I could not agree more
- From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.141)
on: Mon Oct 22 15:36:07 EDT 2001
WhyNot@203.24.100.131:
You very smarty pant man. You find out secret. Me pretendinged that I was Raguvaran@212.2.14.241 but you too much smart to that.
My another names are fan, SPBfan and Isaipriyan. Me post other names too but me no telling you what. hehehehe!! You smarty pant you find it.
- From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.138)
on: Mon Oct 22 15:39:39 EDT 2001
WhyNot@203.24.100.131:
Me give you clue to my other one name. Start with K. he he he he!!
- From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133)
on: Tue Oct 23 11:27:11 EDT 2001
Ok Raguvaran, I'm beginning to regret making this conspiracy theory :-) Prove me right and repeat wat u just said with the various other IPs u use. Then, I'll believe in my own 'smarty-pants' theory.
- From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.140)
on: Tue Oct 23 17:29:24 EDT 2001
WhyNot: You very smarty pant man in dictetiv work but no smart for computre. Do you kno DHCP?? I not posting on other IPs because DHCP. You undrestand? It is compilcat stuf. If you no undrestand, chek comutre book.
tikke??
- From: Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50)
on: Tue Oct 23 18:08:36 EDT 2001
But What about Muthalang kattai and Ettan kattai??
- From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Wed Oct 24 05:11:44 EDT 2001
Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50) ;
ne kattaiyileya venthu poovai, antha madaiyanaium
kootitu po
- From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133)
on: Wed Oct 24 06:45:47 EDT 2001
Well, Raguvaran, though I am admittedly no expert in computers, knowing about DHCP makes no difference to anything I have said. Maybe u are the one who doesn't know wat I'm talking about.
Fact is there are softwares out there (which I shall resist from naming) which enables one to keep switching ur IP identity even during a single online session. Pranksters use this all the time, esp. at chat sites to regain entry despite getting kicked out or to send spam emails. You sound like a real prank yourself.
- From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Wed Oct 24 07:07:49 EDT 2001
WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133);
when ever you post, pls put the DHCP address next to the name like I have put your DHCP address, next to your name, I know the above posting was intended for the other raghuvaran (@ 64.124.150.140),but he is not that smart to switch DHCP address, he has hate for me so every thing I post he repeat under my name, I do not know why he hates me any way!!!
- From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Wed Oct 24 07:11:10 EDT 2001
WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133);
pls do not talk about DHCP/IP/fire wall/DNS server, networks in this forum, this is about SPB & M.rafi.
thanks
- From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.133)
on: Wed Oct 24 08:50:05 EDT 2001
WhyNot:
You confused man you confused me also. Me using 2 DHCP to confuse evribody!! I post on 212.2.14 and say things to iritate real faans of SPB. Then I post on 64.124.150 and [ritend I iritate myself and everibody else. You undrestand now??
tikke??
- From: Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50)
on: Wed Oct 24 11:02:23 EDT 2001
But What about Muthalang kattai and Ettan kattai??
- From: paddaiyappa (@ 195.92.67.71)
on: Thu Oct 25 17:40:41 EDT 2001
will you guys stop this nonesense, why don't you guys just ignore this raghuvaran, & start to anlalyse whether SPB is the greatest singer in India or not.
this thread is getting out of hand,
SPBfan;
How dare you insult SPB about his weight & cooking skills, are not you ashamed of your self?
raghuvarn (@ 64.124.150.138) ;
before insulting every one in this thread, attend some English Classes.
God bless this misguided souls
- From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.137)
on: Thu Oct 25 22:28:17 EDT 2001
Paddaiyappa:
My villege, I hav bestest English. My frends calls me Englishmaan!! You no understand my English?? You poor sole!!
- From: Raguvaran's English Teacher (@ 64.124.150.137)
on: Thu Oct 25 22:39:15 EDT 2001
Paddaiyappa:
"God bless this misguided souls" is wrong English!! You should say "God bless these misguided souls".
tikke??
- From: Musician (@ 195.92.67.69)
on: Fri Oct 26 05:01:26 EDT 2001
>>The legendary S.P.Balu has rendered a soul stirring number, "Mun Pania Mudhal Mazhai". I personally feel that this number would fetch him an award! The song is so melodious and the great SPB has proved again that he is the best playback singer of Indian Cinema.
<<
this was said by one of the person in this thread, I agree with you 100%, I hope the greatest SPB in India will get a national award, if not the best playback singer of the year(tamil).
- From: Greatest SPB FAN EVER. (@ 203.197.81.9)
on: Fri Oct 26 09:10:33 EDT 2001
Padmashree Dr.SPB > M.Rafi in all aspects
In aspects of cooking/washing clothes/boxing/bodybuilding maybe... but singing no. :-)
- From: Osamma Bin Laden (@ 195.92.67.70)
on: Fri Oct 26 09:19:49 EDT 2001
listen 2 SPB in "nandha"
- From: osama bin ladin@taliban.com (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Thu Nov 1 06:17:18 EST 2001
please visit
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thanks
- From: jehan (@ 64.210.241.103)
on: Thu Nov 1 12:32:05 EST 2001
SPB is no doubt the greatest singer ever along with M.rafi & Ghantasala, but SPB's voice some what gift from the god & it has such youthness & richfull aroma, from which millions worldwide have fallen with.
God bless all
- From: Shangeetha Pooshanam (@ 64.210.241.103)
on: Sun Nov 4 12:29:38 EST 2001
Hello folks
I was interested by these topics about SPB, but I was rather disturbed by some people called raguvaran (@212), Raguvaran (@64), Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50).
Raguvaran (@64), Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50) are I believe the same person who are posting under different names & IP addresses, why?
Who is SPB?
S.P.Balasubrahmanyam: the name evokes images of the voice beyond compare litting & melodious with a stylistic variation that conjure a visual image from pure sound.
Born in 1946 at konetampet in Andhra pradesh , SPB grew up in a modest environment, SPB liked to sing in social events , but did not under go any kind of musical training, at a light music competition in 1963, SPB’s voice charmed the ears of late Shri Kothandapani who introduced him to the film world as the play back singer in the telugu film “SRI SRI MARIYADA RAMANA”, in 1966, ever since he has never looked back & today he is one of the very rare multilingual singer who has sung in Telugu, Tamil, Hindi, Kannada, Malayalam, Tulu, Oriya, Bengali,, till date he has sung well over 40,000 songs in 35 years, that works out to be at least 3 songs per day!, he has also composed music for 35 films in a variety of languages.
Here is a list of SPB’s National awards compared to M.rafi’s awards, please note that M.rafi has never won a national award, Dr.KJY has won 7 national awards till date, who has also crossed 40,000 songs, in his 40 year service.
SPB’s non-national awards are innumberable , that is “best play back singer”, association’s awards, state awards, fan club awards, film fare awards, hence I can only list his national awards.
SPB’s National Awards:
1979 - Sankarabharanam
1981 - Ek Duje Keliye
1983 - Sagara Sangamam
1988 - Rudra Veena
1995 - Gaana Yogi Panchashari Gavai
1996 - Minsara Kanavu
2001 - Padma Shri Award
M.Rafi’s awards (note he has no national awards to date)
Year track
1960 Chaudhvin Ka Chand
1961 Chashme Badoor
1964 Chahunga Mein Tujeh
1966 Baharon Bharasavo
1968 Dil Ke Jharoke Mein
1977 Kya Huva Tera Waada
Most of these people seems to misunderstand the term bass & kattais, here is an explanation;
Bass; deep sounding, the lowest pitch in music, lowest male voice.
Kattais ; as there are 1-37 keys in vocal, with keys
1-5 being mudhal kattai (lowest one)
6-10 being rendam kattai
11- 15 being moondram kattai
16-20 being naalank kattai
21- 25 being aiyntham kattai
26-30 being arank kattai
31-35 being elank kattai
36 + being ettank kattai (highest one)
Most of the songs are sung between keys 16 –30, which includes (4th, 5th & 6th kattai), every male singer has bass, even singers like Hariharn, Unni Krishnan have bass, this bass can be achieved at singing in lowest notes (keys 1 – 4) not many singers have done this, certainly not the new good for nothing singers.
SPB, KJY, Ghantasala, Balamurali Krishna & M. Rafi are the only singers who have touched key 1, in order to access the bass of these singers, one must clarify as to which one of these singers has the deepest voice at key 1, this voice should also have the punch in it, this is where SPB stands out of the rest.
M.rafi, Ghantasala, BMK have soft voice, hence they do not sound as deep as SPB. KJY being a carnatic boffin, does not also sound deep as SPB between keys 1-5, this bass has to come deep from the throat, this is very rare & difficult to do so, only SPB is capable of this to date, best bass means a singer can sing very effectively at the highest pitch (key 36+) without screaming or sounding feminine, many male singers who lack bass sounds very feminine at high pitches, typical examples are T.R.Mahalingham, Unni Krishnan, Hariharan , Udit narayan , Sonu nigam , Kumar Sanu, Punkaj udas, …etc.
As SPB having the best bass he easily reaches key 36+, without sounding feminine or as if he is screaming or straining his voice, M.rafi although lacks the bass of SPB was extremely good at higher pitches, which is very difficult to do without a very deep bass, but some how M.rafi superb at highest pitches, simply Superb!.
Typical example of SPB’s key 1 songs are, “thuli thuli nee paadamma sithiyamma”, when he sings “aaaaaaahhhhhhhhh” from key 1, then key6, then key11, then key 16, then key 21, then key 26, then key 31, then key 36+, this is simply superb!.
Another example is the song “sa re ga re gapa tha pa”, from the ever green shankaraparanam, he starts again from key 1, with a very deep voice all the way to key 36+, without any strain at all. Now think about the reverse process of singing in key36+ down to key 1, and SPB does this superb again in the song “ka ma re gama gasa maga sa re saa netha ma pa, sa re sa re (vedham athanilum oru nataham) from “salanghai Oli”.
Now consider singing the entire song in highest notes, that is key 30+,SPB again does this beautifully in “naanum unthan uravai naadi vantha paravai”, from mythili ennai kadhali.
Some people says that TMS was very good at high pitches, I do not agree at all, because he always strained his voice to the maximum limit, any songs sung by TMS always sounded as if he is singing in high pitches, take the song “paatum naane paavamum naanee” from thiruvizhaiyadhal , he sounded as if he was singing from high pitch from the beginning, which is wrong, he sounds the same at high & low pitches, hence you can distinguish whether he is singing in high pitch or not, his carnatic singing & pronunciation is terrible. Although TMS was good at modulation & expressing feelings, but he does not have an amazing voice of SPB.
SPB being a “frog in a well” when it comes to carnatic, is awesome in terms of pronunciation of swarams & singing, even Bala Murali swallows some swarams when he sings it, when you listen to SPB’s shankaraparanam you can clearly understand all swarams, as they are all crystal clear.
KJY , like some one mention is bhajan singer, an excellent carnatic singer, but in cine world, he is so boring, always the same style, you can not tell whether he is singing sad or happy, or joy or excitement. He was hopeless at modulation, expressing emotions. Jayachandran was better than him in romantic songs, but SPB ruled over everyone in Romantic songs, superb expression, beautiful voice.
SPB is not just the greatest singer, but he is an excellent dub artisists, he mainly dubbed for Kamal, Mohan, N.ravi, Nagesh, ..etc. He has also scored music for
About 35 films so far, with a mesmorizing songs from Sikaram.
I hope I did not offend any body, this thread is being misused badly, so many swearing especially from this raguvaran @212., please guys, I beg you to stop this nonsense & behave bit maturely .
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