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S.P Bala the greatest??????

Topic started by Jay (@ bat-50-212.tm.net.my) on Thu Mar 30 11:45:56 EST 2000.
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hi guys,

For me spb is the best bcos he is an all rounder/versatile and conquered tfm 4 a long time...But some are saying that upcoming singers like HH and UK already reached spb's stature and maybe better than him...What are your comments??? I am a fanatic fan of this great spb..so my fellow fanatics,plz e-mail me if you want to discuss more abt spb.....

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• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Thu Jun 14 11:17:36 EDT 2001
  
  Shruti: That show was a tribute to RDB but "sponsored" in a large part by Rajesh Khanna. While Musaafir was for Jeetendra, that show had very heavy flavor of Rajesh-RDB combo, which in turn had a strong KK presence. Incidentally, many of the KK songs were delivered by Sudesh Bhosle. The fact, despite being such a great artist, chose to pay that tribute (while exposing himself to potential criticism) highlights his "heart" - a serious short supply in today's dog eat dog world. In another thread, I had made an observation, that sometimes SPB gets carried away with this "nice guy" quality - albeit genuinely so and NOT for cheap votes. My comment was about SPB heaving praises on RDB's Mere Naina Saavan BhaadOn as a "great and unique Shivaranjani" - while IMO it is as standard as they come, and closer to home MSV, IR, and ARR have created more unique Shivaranjanis. But, this has nothing to do with his musical abilities which as a playback singer, is what it is - Numero Uno!
  
  
• From: bm (@ 64.12.102.53) on: Thu Jun 14 11:21:46 EDT 2001
  
  ...........My friends who dont understand tamil cant stand the song "Yennadi Meenakshi, Sonaadu Yenaachu".
  They say "Chilla raha hai kee gaa raha hai? Abey yeh sab kaisey suntey ho?"(kathharana illa paduraana?? yepaddi idulaan kekkarey?). "<<<<<<
  It is sad that one has to argue with such statements..
  Where did the question of understanding the language come up in this discussion...even some of my Hindi speaking and musically trained friends find that "choolene do nazuk hotho ko " is absolutely unbearble and servile sounding and the least romantic or whatever emotion that intends to convey..so what has understanding the language done to their appreciation & judgement..? it is highly preposterous to assume that no one knows the language here...film music is no great litreature and no one needs any special skills to understand what is sung..we are talking music here not the lyrical content and seasoned Dfers ( like rajaG )dont have to convince anybody of how much hindi one knows to " Appreciate " the music ..
  
  and anybody saying that KK doesnt have a 'voice' ...he sucked in Aradhana ... cant sing pathos ...doesnt have Dard... in his voice...u can all keep saying what you want..while the rest of us will use your comments for our entertainment...
  
  rajaG.."aye" pottu kooda use illama poche..andha list la neenga ivanga rendu pE rayum pottu irukkanum...
  
  
• From: fedup (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Thu Jun 14 11:30:37 EDT 2001
  
  rajaG.."aye" pottu kooda use illama poche..andha list la neenga ivanga rendu pE rayum pottu irukkanum... :) good bull one heat....but nothing works out....:)
  
  g, how about trying....who ever wants to get out of this thread say "aiyaioooo"
  
  aye....
  
  
• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Thu Jun 14 13:32:00 EDT 2001
  
  Rafi's lack of weight (we call it azhuththam') was one reason he could not sing classicals too well. Now semi-classicals, including Ghazals are different. It is childish to say that Mannadey himself said Rafi was greater then himself, so who are we to question ?
  
  
• From: Shruti (@ 212.153.190.3) on: Fri Jun 15 01:03:34 EDT 2001
  
  >>It is sad that one has to argue with such statements..
  
  Tirundu vey maatengey!!! Twist things as u like.
  Posting sariya padipingala..Mostly ur hearts arent pumping enough blood to brain.
  
  I had said
  "There are people like this on both sides.CAN ONLY PITY THEM, when they give their great
  judgements on someones singing without understanding any word" ......
  i had also said "I dont share their view".
  
  And whatever ur opinion ,IMHO SOME SONGS DO require the understanding of language to be
  appriciated. I WASNT talking about LYRICS here. In a song like "Yennadi Meenakshi"
  lot of emotions are expressed (it is loud, rough..... ).But i like it since i can
  understand what is being conveyed.I dont expect that someone who doesnt
  understand the language can appriciate it (and that is a pity).
  Sometimes u people seem so mature (over mature) that it seems impossible to explain.
  I wont be surprised that next time u come back with some single statement(isolated)
  of mine, quote it out of context and act as the most rational people on earth.
  
  
  >>It is childish to say that Mannadey himself said Rafi was greater then himself,
  so who are we to question ?
  
  First of all that wasnt the way i put it---Mannadey said that only two singers-
  "Rafi\Lata" deserved the praise, when he was being praised in Antakshari(Its a fact whcih u can check out suurely)
  . Secondly with whatever i had put i had clearly
  added ".......I am not using this for any argument.Just giving someone's else's opinion.
  (When we people can freely indulge in our opinions i thought may be this could
  also be included)......."
  
  "I seriously dont know who is kidding here."
  
  
  Finally i have only posted around 3-4 times before this, so i am NOT trying to CONVINCE ANYONE HERE.
  IMHO, my first posting was more rational than most postings here. No one jumped at
  me other than RajaG, but again he said something about "Kya Hua Tera" in a different
  way than i had said.
  Second was only a reaction to someone who was personally attacking.
  Third said "let people decide for themselves, what they like".
  
  And all u bunch of geniuses continue arguing.
  
  (Yane endru Kelvi,Ingu kekkaamal yaarum illai.. Naan yendra yennam konda manithan.....)
  
  -Shruti
  
  
  
• From: mahesh (@ 202.9.149.239) on: Fri Jun 15 02:47:28 EDT 2001
  
  shruti, spb is the greatest of all indian film music singers . to accept or not is your choice. but fact is fact. it cannot be washed away through your arguments.i need not argue for my spb. his records speak for everybody.
  
  
• From: Surti (@ 212.153.190.3) on: Fri Jun 15 03:17:31 EDT 2001
  
  
  Rahukaalatley/Amavasaytalay porandavaney..
  WHO the HELL is arguing here??
  
  I said "let people decide for themselves, what they like". Does that look like argument.
  Andey Maheshan daan unaku buddi kudukannon
  
  
  
  
• From: Shruti (@ 212.153.190.3) on: Fri Jun 15 03:22:09 EDT 2001
  
  Name correction in above "Shruti"
  
  -Shruti
  
  
• From: parthipan (@ 195.92.67.68) on: Sun Jun 17 15:28:20 EDT 2001
  
  Shruthi, For god sake, guys, You know that S.P.B is the greatest, why argue, I can not think of any one who is multitaented, not to mention his awsome, superior, encahncing, magical voice, I am great S.P.B fan, he is the legend, he sings in many languages (13) languages, that's nearly all the languages of India, can Rafi, or Kishok Kumar sign like that NO, they can not sign classical at all, I listen to lots of Hindi songs, they all seems to have the same tune to me,so there is nothing great in signing similar tunes. Some idiots mention that S.P.B is awfull signing in Hindi, they better listen to "Maine Pyer Kiya","Hum Aapke Khon",'Sagar','Sajan','Ek duche kileye'.
  
  
• From: IMF (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Sun Jun 17 20:41:12 EDT 2001
  
  parthipan:
  
  yes to you hindi songs have the same tune. But to the rest of India they don't. Don't make such ignorant statements. I respect your opinion but i think it is BS. There is no basis to your sayings. Hindi songs have the best tunes. They are not repetitive. They have inspired people, put a smile on their face. Go listen to more hindi songs and then make your statement. If they were repetitive, i don't think the whole of India would be humming them to this day. The Md's of hindi songs have inspired other MD's all around India and around the world. And are you saying rafi can't sing classical ?. better check your facts buddy !!!!
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.52) on: Mon Jun 18 00:26:55 EDT 2001
  
  mr parthipan:
  
  Rafi and not singing classical? That shows ur lack of exposure to HFM.
  
  Also Rafi sang in Kannada,Telugu, Marathi, Assamese,Gujrathi,Marwari,Sindhi,Punjabi,Kashmiri,Bengali,Oriya,Urdu,Sanskrit besides Hindi. How many languages is that?
  
  Like SPB, Rafi's voice too had all that magic and divinity.
  
  Secondly, the old HFM was divine and diverse. rafi has sung nearly ALL types of songs. Moreover though SPB has sung wonders in all the 4 south Indian languages (and he is no doubt one of the best male singers we have), his Hindi songs in HAHK,Maine Pyaar Kiya and others smack of a terrible accent.
  
  
• From: True Music Fan (@ 138.89.110.65) on: Mon Jun 18 00:48:34 EDT 2001
  
  IMF and LV
  Ungallai partha seerpudhan varadhu.You both conviently disappeared to avoid answering, when rajaG and others proved technically why rafi is hyped.Ana eppodhu parthibanai pick panni unnga usual muttal thanathai kammikeerenga.
  Neenga technicalla prove panra varikkum, Rafi'oda casei close panniaucchu.
  ***** Theerpu ******
  Rafi is no where as good as SPB, or even KK.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.156) on: Mon Jun 18 11:02:24 EDT 2001
  
  dear (Un) true music fan:
  
  RajaG was unwilling to listen to the songs I sent him. Moreover I disagree with his analyses of some Rafi songs, where I felt that he unnecessarily was finding fault with rafi. Anyway, I am not here to impose my opinion on any one.
  
  Comparing KK to rafi is the height of stupidity - I had given atleast 20 types of songs, which Rafi has done effortlessly and KK has never touched.
  
  Rafi,SPB,Manna Dey,KJY,Ghanatsala,TMS, Seergazhi Govindarajan are all great legends and more or less on the same plane. Rafi is as good as SPB in almost evry respect.
  
  As for KK, the less I say the better
  
  
• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Mon Jun 18 13:18:15 EDT 2001
  
  I will not say that SPB does not have a 'proper' accent while singing Hindi. He has just not grasped certain pronounciation tricks that makes the rendering sound more 'native'. The 'ha' should not be full-throated but thrown casually from somewhere below the throat - the chest or the stomach. The 'ya's have to be stressed much more in comparison to other syllables. In general, all the words should be rendered with more pressure (azhuththam kodukkaNum) than while singing in southern languages. Even many female singers like Alka and Sadhana have not grasped this trick. Just listen to Lata in a soft song like 'zara si aahat', the volume is controlled so the stress on the words is not obvious, but it is there.
  
  
• From: hari (@ 216.141.67.251) on: Mon Jun 18 16:00:05 EDT 2001
  
  LV - there is no need for lobbying. SPB, Rafi are good, great singers. Can u give a "single" reason why u wud include, of all people "SeerkAzhi Govindarajan" with them? Please put ur point across (if u have one) Dont include any names because u want to gather support from any faction or anything. I cant imagine how anyone can say how even TMS (leave alone SeerkAzhi - god rest his soul) can come anywhere near SPB. All IMHO.
  
  

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