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S.P Bala the greatest??????

Topic started by Jay (@ bat-50-212.tm.net.my) on Thu Mar 30 11:45:56 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

hi guys,

For me spb is the best bcos he is an all rounder/versatile and conquered tfm 4 a long time...But some are saying that upcoming singers like HH and UK already reached spb's stature and maybe better than him...What are your comments??? I am a fanatic fan of this great spb..so my fellow fanatics,plz e-mail me if you want to discuss more abt spb.....

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Responses:

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• From: Shruti (@ 212.153.190.3) on: Wed Jun 13 09:22:27 EDT 2001
  
  Comparison apart i must compliment RagaG for being so logical and for staying so much in context while posting.
  
  His replies to some postings are great
  
  Posting ::
  People with no special inclination to music also have fallen in love with songs like "Kya hua Tera waada" bcos of the
  emotions his style and delivery brings about.
  
  RagaG replies:
  If you must present your case for Rafi, please mention appropriate examples.
  In the illustrious list of his renditions, you chose kyaa huaa thEraa vaadhaa? C'mon!
  
  ((
  RagaG i thought the posting was clear. I havent called Kya hua tera waada as a great number, i said it was delivered
  so beautifuly(even first time listerners like it)
  U conviniently skipped the other numbers "Tum mujhey yun bhula" and "Dil key jharokon mein".
  
  And also i wasnt presenting any case for Rafi. That way i had also said
  "Listen to the songs(tip of ice berg)
  Mannil Inda, Pani Vizum, Keladi kanmani , Unnai partha pinbu naan, Nenju kulley yennar
  Shanmuga (Avvai shannmugi) and its understandable why SPB is regarded by many in south as the best.
  There are many gems of his in Kannada(Shilegalu sangeetha..from Rathasaptami and Telugu(Shankara Bharanam,...) too.
  He cerainly is a living legend". Does this mean i was presenting a case for SPB"
  Ironically from all ur postings after this,i see only one song of SPB "Shankara Bharanam" being mentioned which is part of songs
  i had mentioned.
  ))
  
  
  Posting::
  More than Yesudas and SPB considering him as their idol,
  what is important is that they say he is the most gifted singer with unmatched verstality in past and present.
  
  RagaG replies:
  So SPB used to listen to Rafi's songs, and hence Rafi is better.
  Rafi used to listen to KL Saigal, who probably heard Pankaj Mullick,
  ........eventually Adam was the best singer. engEyO logic udhaikkiradhu.
  No Slam on Rafi, but such stupid arguments take the topic out of context.
  
  ((
  Mr Genius read the posting again, it says
  "what is important is that they say he is the most gifted singer with unmatched verstality in past and present."
  ))
  
  Finally...
  With all hue and cry u make about ur knowledge it is finally the listener who decides what he/she likes. Dont decide for them.
  And about u saying Rafi wouldnt be able to sing "Shankara Bharanam".
  Hmmmm.. Ramanujam couldnt add 2 and 2.
  
  -Shruti
  
  
• From: Shruti (@ 212.153.190.3) on: Wed Jun 13 09:35:20 EDT 2001
  
  Onnu-Rendu notes vanduta porumey, ivanga daa adutaa IR nu nenappu.Oru languagey teriaamey adodey artist patti pesa vandutaanga
  -Shruti
  
  
• From: abaswaram (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Wed Jun 13 10:22:38 EDT 2001
  
  Onnu-Rendu notes theriyamaye... shruti intha katha udaranga,
  Onnu-Rendu notes therijanvanvga soona thappe illai....
  -abaswaram
  
  
  
  
• From: gunds (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Wed Jun 13 13:00:09 EDT 2001
  
  hey IMF,
  
  He can't be compared with rafi or spb. Besides, his voice doesn't have the "dard" that rafi or spb have.
  
  what a funny stmnt?!! Kishore doesn't have dard in his voice. . gawd!!!! ... agreed Rafi has enuf. of it .. ( he was a true 'blue' artist .. if u know what I mean) ..but listen to all those rajesh khanna pathos filled songs that KK has made immortal ... I was recently listening to a cassette where RDB 's songs were sung by southie singers .. SPB, sailaja, chitra and sudesh bhonsle
  ( consider him SOUTH of vindhyas. .:) ) IMHO, SPB was literally s crewing some of the best RDB - KK songs ... for the first time in my life, I had to shut off the player when SPB was singing ..honestly, I felt very bad, ,.. :(
  
  ko, what I want to say is ,, KK rocks .. so does SPB .. I am prejudiced against Rafi a bit ( compared to KK .. not SPB .. even if Rafi were born a southie, without classical training, he cudn't have sung shankara....)leave it..
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Wed Jun 13 14:21:07 EDT 2001
  
  Shruti:
  Aah!
  
  Your quote:
  He (SPB) cerainly is a living legend and may be the best male singer around today but certainly not in the league of Rafi. Basis of your entire post.
  
  
  Your quote:
  Songs like "Tum mujhey yun bhula naa paaogey" are considered female domain and male singers cannot do justice to those. umm.......and who, may I ask, made that determination. You, in your infinite wisdom, or your 4 friends who were by wowed Duniya kE rakhwalE (I can somehow picture Vijay, Damu, Ramesh Kanna, Charlie here)........ and thaiyaab ali is the domain of 9s? Don’t answer that:-)
  
  Your quotes:
  Please do not get back with some list of SPB (and discuss that) as u cant list anything of his i wouldnt have enjoyed/unheard.
  ....................
  ....................
  Ironically from all ur postings after this,i see only one song of SPB "Shankara Bharanam" being mentioned......
  And now you are whining that nobody gave you a list. In a thamizh music forum, why should I or anybody provide anybody else who “demands” a list of thamizh song in the first place. You are expected to know it before you venture into any comparisons – unless of course you are IMF:-)
  
  Your quote (about allegedly my quote)
  And about u saying Rafi wouldnt be able to sing "Shankara Bharanam". Exactly where did I say that, please? idhaan avasara avasaramaa kannaa pinnaanu type adikka koodaadhungaradhu – you will have a constipation of ideas and diarrohea of words:-) Just like that idiot IMF, who doesn’t go through the posts where I have specifically mentioned about a second voice in madhuban mE radhika performing the thaan after mridanga baajEy thiri kita thOm...., proceeds to give me the links for madhuban on the net.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.81.177) on: Wed Jun 13 23:45:39 EDT 2001
  
  RajaG:
  
  well, what is wrong in 'tum mujhhe yun bhula na paoge' by rafi.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.81.177) on: Wed Jun 13 23:47:28 EDT 2001
  
  RajaG:
  I am indeed amazed that u are not convinced of Rafis 'non-technical skills' or 'drama' or whatever. Good actors make good singers :-). Your sparks of brilliance are AMAZING :-)
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.170) on: Thu Jun 14 00:42:30 EDT 2001
  
  shruti:
  
  Well done. Great actors make great singers as per RajaG. thats why RajaG says KK is a great singer. The best is to ignore this rather silly argument of his. Also he (or is it that PERVERSE-HEADED Mr comment) says Rafis bass voice is not good. Inspite of giving him numerous examples of Rafis classical brilliance and flexibility of vocal chord, his bass, his ability to sing the 'drama' and 'basic meat and potato' kind of songs, RajaG is UNABLE to agree ( specail emphasis on UNABLE).
  And he compares KK to rafi.
  Yeah, and we compare the size of a fly and an elephant.
  
  And he says Rafi falters in Tasweer teri dil main, tum mujhhe yun bhula na paoge'. Hmmmm :-)rajaG wouldve sung it better than SPB :-)).
  
  
  
• From: Shruti (@ 212.153.190.3) on: Thu Jun 14 03:45:42 EDT 2001
  
  LV:
  There are people like this on both sides.Can only pity them, when they give their great judgements on someones singing without
  understanding any word.
  My friends who dont understand tamil cant stand the song "Yennadi Meenakshi, Sonaadu Yenaachu".
  They say "Chilla raha hai kee gaa raha hai? Abey yeh sab kaisey suntey ho?"(kathharana illa paduraana?? yepaddi idulaan kekkarey?). I dont share their view, but cant convince them as they dont understand the language -- Ditto with these guys/gals.
  Forget them -- We can enjoy both worlds
  By the way i dont share ur view on KK but no arguments please.
  --Shruti
  
  
• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Thu Jun 14 09:24:34 EDT 2001
  
  In the 70s, when I did not know Hindi, I found "main jhat yamla" insane. What the hell is he shouting for. But "arre rafta rafta dekho" still put a smile on my face. KK could carry it off. I first heard 'meri neendon mein tum' in Anthakshari and when someone told me that the original was sung by KK, I said how could he. I then listened to the original and KK came up trumps.
  
  And many here including rajaG seem to have have heard enough Hindi songs and seem to know the language well. No human being is flawless. Even SPB has not been able to completely grasp the kind of throw required for Hindi songs. Rafi was a good classical singer, but I still feel Madhuban should have gone to Mannadey. Mannadey has the vazan in his voice that Rafi does not have. There are songs by Rafi and KK that should have really gone to Mannadey and Mukesh.
  
  Versatality is the art of carrying off even the most ridiculous with great aplomb. That is what people like KK, Asha and Sridevi are about.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.129) on: Thu Jun 14 10:23:27 EDT 2001
  
  LV: Well what's wrong with tum mujHE....? Read my post smart Alec. My question is how did Shruthi come to the conclusion that it is a "female domain song"? When did I qualitativey analyze or conclude one way or other about that song? Don't waste my time or yours by trying to nitpick everybody's post by questioning on each sentence, word, and letter. If you don't have the smarts to understand the gist of anybody's post then you need to take a course in comprehension.
  Rafi's range, versatility, talent, command, prowess, bass, treble, and expertise....have all been established within the 1000+ songs of Rafi that I have heard, cherished, enjoyed OR complained, criticized, and discarded. Your coming up with extra songs doesn't do diddly squat for my opinion about Rafi's music. This is because, my opinion is based upon the music I have heard - not Sajjad Hussain's comment, or pictures in SPB's living room, or quotes in the back cover. I have a very clear knowledge of what I know and what I do NOT know in the world of music and mostly try to address discussions with that range in mind. And the fact that you have heard a few more songs by Rafi doesn't do anything to the substance of the arguments.
  
  While I can't speak for everybody here, Sugrutha, Sriram, and I have provided enough evidence for our awareness about HFM and TFM. Sure, there are songs that we have missed too - but NOT songs which will drastically change our opinions about KK, KJY, SPB, Rafi, Lata, Asha, Manna, Mukesh, PBS, KSC, TMS, ...........all those who have sung 1000 songs or more.
  
  Your ( collective including IMF and Shruthi) assumptions that we may not have heard enough and coming up with recommendations of "other songs" is stupid and baseless. How long does this have to continue? Until I have heard every sound which came out Rafi's mouth? You may have the time, but I don't have the inclination.
  
  Remember - Respect anywhere, is earned not demanded.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Shruti (@ 212.153.190.3) on: Thu Jun 14 10:52:20 EDT 2001
  
  Mannadey had a vazan in his voice (for classical songs he was better too)and indeed
  songs that required him were given to him
  "Kasmey Vaadey pyaar vafa" for instance.
  But is vazan the only criteria? The voice has to suite the actor/time period too.
  TMS has a deeper voice than SPB(i am not comparing them)but then voice alone is not the factor.
  Mannadey himself said (sorry for repeating) when ACTUALLY HE WAS BEING PRAISED in ANTAKSHARI that only two people-Rafi/Lata deserved such praise.
  I am not using this for any argument.Just giving someone's else's opinion.(When we people can freely indulge in our opinions i thought may be this could also be included)
  
  Just for some info,in a recent (3-4 days back) program on Sony/Star plus, "main jhat yamla" was one of the numbers Govinda danced on.
  I am not implying that it is a great number,but surely there are a lot of people who like that.
  
  I like "Shanakara Bharanam" but how many people who know nothing about carnatic can appreciate it?
  
  When u hear songs of "His Highness Abdullah" its diffcult to imagine why classical songs in TFM
  are given to anyone other than KJY.But then there are exceptions(and choices).
  
  And KK..Yes he does something special too. I just wish SPB hadnt chosen his numbers in RD tribute.
  Some places it looked like he would loose his breath.
  He almost killed "Musafir whon yaaro".
  I couldnt watch the whole pgm...I just hope he didnt choose "Pyar deewana hota hai"
  For someone so gifted as SPB and with so many songs in his bag and fans(including me)probably he doesnt need to tread on others territory.
  
  Few things viewed in isolation can be used to give a totally wrong picture of anyone
  For example analysing singing ability based on the dubbed hindi version for "Na Auto Karan, Auto karan". (Check it out)
  
  But here lot of people do it. They are lucky that 10 times their population who has the other view doesnt look at it.
  
  --Shruti
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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