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Hi guys,
I recently discovered this page and have been contributing extensively ever since. How about a permanent thread for discussing famous analogies: metaphors, similies, expressions, ironies, etc. in Tamil songs? For example: this would be a thread where I will share my favorite analogy for a smile, "Kaiyalavu Pazhutha Maathulai, Paalil
Neyalavu Padarntha Punnagai" from "Vizhiyilae Malarnthathu" written by Panchu Arunachalam.
As great as the discussion topics are in this site, I feel lyrics and song writers should get more attention.
A fan forever,
Udhaya
udhayak@yahoo.com
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- From: Kanchana (@ ww-ti02.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue May 19 14:11:16 EDT 1998
Some philosophical similis and metaphors from kaiyarasar:
From AlayamaNi's satti suttadhadA:
eRumbuth thOlai uriththup pArkka
yAnai vandhadhadA--nAn
idhauath thOlai uriththup pArkka
gnAnam vandhadhadA
From padikkAdha mEdhai's padiththadhinAl aRivu petRor:
vAzhai maram padiththadhillai
kani kodukka maRandhadhA--uyar
vAn mugilum katRadhillai
mazhai pozhiya maRandhadhA
sOlai ellAm katRadhillai
nizhal kodukka maRandhadhA--engum
sudhandhiramAip pAdi varum
kuyilum pAdam padiththadhA?
An unreleased song:
kadal ena niRaindhavan thozhilALi--adhil
padagena midhappavan mudhalALi
kadalukku sinam vandhu alai mOdhi--varum
mudivinil kidaippadhu samaneedhi
From pAlum pazhamum's pOnAl pOgattum pOdA:
vAzhkkai enbadhu viyAbAram
varum jananam enbadhu varavAgum
adhil maraNam enbadhu selavAgum
From uyir mEl Asai's kELu pAppA:
kallai udaiththAl thooL Agum
adhaik kalaiyAi vadiththAl silai Agum
nellai vidhaiththAl nel vaLarum
muLLai vidhaiththAl enna varum?
From ANdavan kattaLai:
amaidhiyAna nadhinilE Odum Odam
aLavillAdha veLLam vandhAl Adum
....
thennai iLangeetRinilE thAlAttum thndRal adhu
thennaidhanaich chAiththu vidum puyalAga varum pozhudhu
AtRangarai mEttinilE Adi niRkum nANaladhu
kAtRadiththAl sAivadhillai
From sumaithAngi's mayakkamA kalakkamA:
Ezhai manadhai mALigai Akki
iravum pagalum kAviyam pAdi
nALaip pozhudhai iRaivanukk(u) aLiththu
nadakkum vAzhvil anaidhiyaith thEdu
From idhu saththiyam's title song:
paththuth thingaL siRaiyil irundhEn
paLLik kooda aRaiyil irundhEn
eththanaiyO siRaigaLai nAn
pArththu vittEn pOdA, pO!
panjaip pOttu neruppai maRaippavan
paiththiyakkArandA
pAvam theerkkap paNaththai iRaippavan
pachchai madaiyanadA
From pArththAl pasi theerum:
uLLam enbadhu Amai
adhil uNmai enbadhu oomai
sollil varuvadhu pAdhi
nenjil thoongik kidappadhu meedhi
From thattungaL thiRakkappadum's kaNmaNi pappA:
sattiyil iruppadhu agappaiyilE
budhdhiyil iruppadhu vArththaiyilE
pOttadhuthAnE viLaiyum aRivuth thOttaththilE
From thiruvarutchelvar's Aththu veLLam kAththirukku:
uyirE azhukkuth thuNi uvar maNNE nam piRappu
bhoo ulaga vAzhkkai ennum pollAdha kallinilE
mOdhi adikkaiyilE mutRum kasakkaiyilE
Adhisivan ennum AtRil varum veLLaththilE
azhukkellAm veLukkudhadA veLLaiyappA
avan aruL ennum nizhalthanilE veLLaiyappA
indha uyirellAm vAzhudhadA veLLaiyappA
- From: Kanchana (@ spider-td072.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue May 19 22:21:29 EDT 1998
I just heard a lovely song by PBS/PS pooththirukkum vizhi eduththu mAlai thodukkavA which was full of metaphors and similis. Does anyone have full lyrics? Lyricist? Movie? MD? Thanks in advance.
- From: Manisekaran (@ bat-47-19.tm.net.my)
on: Tue May 19 22:59:47 EDT 1998
Continuation
1. Emanation from Villiputhan
un vizhi vAsal azhagAna maNimandapam
minnal viLayAdum puthuppAvai uyir thANdavam
vaNdAdum malarveethi alangAramE
ennai varavEtka varm inba sAmrAjyamE
Q: sediyilE poo irukku ethatkAka?
A: un sirippinilE nAn irukkEn athukkAga
Q: kodilE kOnal irukku ethukkAka?
A: peNkaL kuNathilE nANam irukku athukkAga...
(This villiputhan was a good lyricist. As he succumbed to too much of "milli" he ultimately became a Milliputhan and lost his talents.
2. From KogilavANI
anboLi veesi uyir vazhinthAdum
vizhiyil vAn kaNden
unnithazh Osai isayinil
vANiyin veeNayai nAn kaNden
pasum ponnudal vAri
veesiya jothiyil vAttiya kuLir uNarnthEn
pinnavaL arugEy punnagai veesi vara
ennai nAn maranthEn.
3. Seergazhi Govindarajan's thanippadal describing Tamil
anbu manam paravum
aRivu malar cholayilEy
kanni paruvam ennum kArikayai kaNdEn
inbathAl yEthEthO yezhilAtchi seithAL
ithayam kuLirnthidavE
ithazhamutham peithAL
un sirippinil kalaikalellAM pongidavE kaNdEn
Bothai mmozhinilE pulamayinaik koNdEn
thaNmai uLLa aNangavaLLI yAr enak kEtttEn
avaL "thamizh" enum peyar thAngum
inimaiyAL nAn enRAL
(REALLY AN EXCELLENT Description)
4. From Kathavarayan
Alayin karumbAnEn
Azhiyil thurumbAnEn
kAlamellAm unthan kAthalil melinthEnE
viNNOdu viLayAdum vaLarmethiyE
kaNNODu kaninthAdum kalainithiyE
ennALum maRavEnE yezhil rathiyE
minnalidai kodiyE
aNNA nadai azhagE ne vA..
5. From Sarangathara
sinthanai virunthAgi
jeeviya kanavAgi
vinthaigaL purinthAi nAn aRiyAmalE
manthirak kaNNAlE
thanthira valai veesum
suntahara vadivE un thuNai kANa vA..
inthira vil neeyE
chandira oLi neeyE
eedilla unaiyE en manam nAduthE
vasantha mullai pOle vathu asaithu Adum ..
6. From Yanai Pagan:
kuthithAdi marunthOdum kalaimAnO
iLang kumarikaLum mayangum silaithAnO
vaNnamuga kaNNiraNdum natchathiramO
enai vAvenRu azhaippathenna vichithiramO
minnuginRa palliraNdum muthucharamO
yArum mechuginRa kuNangaLethAn sothu sugamO
7. From Marutha nAattu Veeran
gnayiRu petraval neethAnO
thingaL enbathun pErthAnO
nalam pAdum sevvAyil
thamizh pAdum nagaik koNdu
nadamAdum thani vaira cilaiyO
megam valai veesi maNam koNda thuNaiyO
kAlkaLilE salangai gaLeeer! galeer! ena
kaNkaLilE minnal paLeer paLeer ena
kalikaL veesi varum kalvi pOla
ezhil kAttiyum amutham oottiyum
enai vAtti vathaippathenRu
vadivamAna kalai aNNamE
iyatkai aNnamE
(paruvam pArthu arukil vanthum vetkama?)
8. From KokilavANi:
thiruvE en dEgviyE vArai
thEnAr mozhi mAnAr vizhi pAvai
ennai pArAi
mAmalai chAralil koovum kOkila
mathura gAnamE un kuralE
vAnulAvum kathir pOlum oli mazhai
vAri vazhangum ezhilE
poomagaL pOl thayai sAntham yAvumE
pozhiyum dEva mAthE
bOthai koLLuthE enathu uLLamEunnai ennum pOthE
Thats all for the moment. vaNakkam.
- From: Manisekaran (@ wmu-52-234.tm.net.my)
on: Tue May 19 23:30:50 EDT 1998
Kanchana:
The song is from the film Kannadi Mandapam released in 1962. The MD is T.Pathman. Anandan and KR Vijaya act in this average movie. Other than this song there is nothing much to mention. I saw the film very long ago.
PS:
poothirukkum vizhi eduthu mAlai thodukkavA
punnagayil seNdeduththu kaiyil kodukkavA
mAnganiyin theenchuvaiyai ithazhiraNdil tharalAma
mAthuLaiyai piLantheduththE kAthalai aLanthE tharalAmA
PBS:
thEn mathura seviybilE maNiyAi olikkavA
sembavaLa nAvinilE thEnAi inikkavA
panikkuLirin mozhiyinilE padai eduththAi thaLirk kodiyE
amutha isai mayakkuthadi aruviyin inimai surakkuthadi
BOTH:
Asai mugam arukirunthAl Aval thaNiyumA
anbu veLLam karai udainthAL
inbam kuRayumA
regards.
- From: Manisekaran (@ wmu-52-234.tm.net.my)
on: Tue May 19 23:33:39 EDT 1998
correction:
PBS:
thEn mathura "seviyinilE"
- From: Kanchana (@ spider-td072.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue May 19 23:50:50 EDT 1998
Manisekaran:
Thank you very much for the information on that song. Very pleasant song in PBS/PS voices!
- From: Kanchana (@ spider-td072.proxy.aol.com)
on: Wed May 20 00:27:16 EDT 1998
kaviyarasar continued......
In pAttup pAda vA from thEnilavu:
mEga vaNNam pOla minnum AdaiyinAlE
malai mEni ellAm moodudhammA nANaththinAlE
A song with wordplay from muththu maNdapam:
kodiyavaLE! poongodi avaLE!
kovvaich chvvAik kiniyavaLE
pudhu mozhi pEsum kiLiyavaLe
ponnukkum pooukkum iLaiyavaLE!
In mAmpazhaththu vaNdu from sumaithAngi:
kanniyarkku thendRal annaimuRai andRO
annai avaL mella Adai thoduvALA
From veeraththirumagan:
neelap pattAdai katti
nilavennum pottum vaiththu
pAl pOla sirikkum peNNE
Describing a child in thanga maganE from ellAm unakkAga:
dheivam pEsa maRandhadhendRu pEsa vandhAyO
iLam thendRal veesa maRandhadhendRu veesa vandhAyO
kandRu Ada maRandhadhendRu Ada vandhAyO
thamizhk kavignar pAda maRandhadhellAm pAda vandhAyO
Questioning the classic varuNanai used to describe women and men, in a "gender war" song from thendRal veesum:-)
Male:
OhO! pAdinAr kavignar pAdinAr
mAn endRar puLLi illai
mayil endRar thOgai illai
thEn endRAr meen endRAr
therindhu sonnArA?
Female:
OhO! pAdinAr kavignar pAdinAr
kALai endRAr kombum illai
yAnai endRAr thadham illai
singam endRAr veeran endRAr
therindhu sonnArA?
Male:
kanniyaraip panchavarNakkiLigaL endRAr
kanniyargaL kOvaippazham thinbadhillaiyE
Female:
Adavaraip puligaL endRu pAdi vaiththArE
puli Adu thEdi kAdu thdi OdavillyE
......In the end.....
Both:
mAn endRAl pArvai sonnAr
mayil endRAl sAyal sonnAr
thEn endRAl inimai sonnAr
therindhu koLvOmE
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ synergy.nus.edu.sg)
on: Wed May 20 01:49:45 EDT 1998
Kanchana & Manisekaran:
reNdu vaaram ekkachakkamaaga busy aagi ippO
vandhu paarththaal neenga indha thread-il
niRaya vishayangaL arumaiyaaga sErththirukkeenga.
Great!
peNgaLaip patriya analogies niRaya irukku.
adhil palavatrai already solliyaachchu ingE.
enakku pidichcha oru paadal innum sollappadavillai.
Kadhalan, kaadhaliyai paal, pazham, thEn
endru oppittu paaduvadhu romba saadhaaraNam.
aanaal, kaviyarasar, oru paadalil, idhE porutkaLai
vachchu azhagaana oru varNaNai koduththirukkaar;
kaadhaliyai 'paal' endrO alladhu 'pazham' endrO kaadhalan
varNiththaal, 'thEn' kObiththuk koLLumaam: 'ennadaa,
ivvaLavu azhagaana oruththiyai thannudanum avan
oppdaamal vittuvittaanE' endru.
Eppadi azhagaa kaviyarasar solliyirukkaar paarunga?
Quiz: Idhu endha paadalil varudhu endru yaaraavadhu
sollunga paarkkalaam.
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ synergy.nus.edu.sg)
on: Wed May 20 02:09:55 EDT 1998
Manisekaran:
I have the video of the song, pooththirukkum
vizhiyeduththu maalai thodukkavaa. The actors:
Ravichandran and some unfamilaiar lady who "looks
similar to" Jeyamalini. I had assumed that the MDs for
that song were MSV/TKR. The reason for that is
the following. If you listen to malargaLaip pOl
thangai uRangugindraaL, in one of the charaNams we get the following lines:
aasaiyin paadhaiyil Odiya peN mayil
anbudan kaalgaLil paNindhidak kaNdaan
These lines get repeated twice. Between these
repetitions there is an interlude music that
comes for about 10 seconds. Anyone who is
familiar with the song will recall immediately
which interlude I am talking about. Now, in
the interludes of pooththirukkum vizhiyeduththu,
the above interlude I mentioned is repeated,
almost "ditto". That's why I thought that this
song was also by MSV/TKR.
But, Manisekaran, you are very knowledgable on
details. So you may be very right about the MD for
pooththirukkum.
Whatever it is, pooththirukkum is a very
beautiful song that you can continuously listen
any number of times but never get bored.
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