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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 5: Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Mon Aug 3 20:53:03 EDT 1998.
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For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but
a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just their Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal for this thread. Please provide the name of the song whose lines you excerpt and the name of the movie if known. Here are the symposium categories, the bold topics are yet to be discussed:
1)Iyarkai Varnanai
2)Kaadhal Paadalgal
3)Thaththuva Paadalgal
4)Vaarthai Prayoagam
5)Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal
6)Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal
7)Vingyaana/Naveena Karuthoottum Paadalgal
8)Ilakkiya Moolam Ulla Paadalgal
9)Kadhaikku Porundhiya Paadalgal(situational songs)
10)Kavidhai Milekarkal (Poetic Milestones that the poets will be remembered by!)

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• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.214) on: Mon Aug 10 17:17:32 EDT 1998
  
  at www.indolink.com in thiraivalai section,there is a humorous article by ramesh mahadevan. it is called as the algorithmic approach to writing tamil lyrics and is a comical satire on vairamuthu's lyrics. it is a must read for everyone.he also explains how lyrics writing has become a joke these days.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Aug 10 17:50:56 EDT 1998
  
  Sir-um illai Saree-um illai
  saraasari thamizh magan naan
  mariyaadhai ellam medai yerum
  manidharukku
  naan vaada poada vagaiyaraa
  
  idharku mael thaevaip pattaal
  intro page sellavum
  angu ennai neetti neliththu
  adayaalam kaatti irukkiraen
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ wll087.wmlib.wmich.edu) on: Mon Aug 10 18:31:17 EDT 1998
  
  Prakash 'indiadirect'ai nambavae nambadhae,angae ekkachakkamana thappu. Naan ovvoru maileiyum avangalukku pin point panren but kandunda madhiriye theriyalai. Few exampls of their mistakes
  rasathi unnai kaanadha-Vairamuthu
  samsaaram enbadhu veenai(song)-Vkumar
  oru kaadhal devadhai boomiyil - IR
  
  idhu madhiri niraiya....
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate1.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Tue Aug 11 12:32:58 EDT 1998
  
  MakkaLe Mannikavum...
  
  Indha message Thread-kkE samandham illama pogum..
  
  Ramki, India Direct-a Nammaba mudiyadhunu theriyum. N-iraya thappu information kuduthanga..
  
  Eg..
  
  1.They mentioned the actress name of Sabash Meena was Giriga. Actually Her name was Malini. Girija acted in Manohara.
  
  2. They mentioned that MKT's son acted in Kovil Pura. Actually he was from PUC family (Either son or grand son).
  
  
  But RTM alladhu RCS-la indha paattai (i mean en kaNmani, en kadhali... song) podum podhu KaNNadhasan paattunu sonnaga.
  
  N-aan unnaiyum N-ammba mudiyadhu thalaiva...:):):)...
  
  I think you are wrong.. about the song samsaram enbadhu veenai... It was by V.Kumar. IMO India Direct was correct in this regard.
  
  
  Udhaya,
  
  nan vaada poada vagaiyaraa -nu ezhuthi irundhaththu
  
  nan vaada poada vaiyagra madhiri thoNicchu... :):):) Just fun adikka varaatheenga.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Aug 11 13:51:26 EDT 1998
  
  Prakash um kurumbu narambukku
  kondu varuvaen pirambu
  Viyagra thevaippadum nilamaiyo
  vayaso innum varavillai
  Nalla vaelai
  
  So, guys should we wrap this topic up or are there more tunes out there in this category?
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-16.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Tue Aug 11 15:58:53 EDT 1998
  
  Prakash come on 'mayangugiraal oru maadhu'was by Vijaybhaskar.IT was one of his good albums in tamizh. Neeye indha thappu pannalama prakash??
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Aug 11 19:04:54 EDT 1998
  
  Summation:As far as emotions go, humor is pretty hard to derive in songs which is why I chose this topic for the symposium to show how both poets have handled one of the toughest emotions to bring out in songs. Humor is also very subjective, what makes one laugh offends another. Again, since both VM and Kannadhaasan have shown their facility with humor in TFM, I say they are about even. Go ahead and give your summations. I will see you at "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 6: Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal"
  
  
• From: Reva (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Tue Aug 11 23:06:29 EDT 1998
  
  
  Ramki avargaLukku:
  
  `Poova Thalaiya', `Edhir neechchal' vaali ezhudhiya paadalgaL
  endru sonnadhukku nandri. There is ;ot of confusion between
  their songs. I saw in the archives that kuzhandhaiyum dheivamum
  guNaththaal ondru was written by Vaali. But it is by K.
  ap padaththil pazhamudhir chOlaiyilE paadalum K ezhudhiyadhE.
  As Prakash says, varavu ettaNaa is by K.
  
  Prakash:
  I am giving parts of lyrics for A.R.Anubavi songs
  from my memory..
  
  
  muththu kuLikka vaareegaLaa
  moochchai adakka vaareegaLaa
  sippi eduppOmaa mama mama
  ammaLukkum sondhamillaiyO
  
  naduvil varum sila varigaL:
  
  aaLaana poNNuga paakku vaikkum munnamE
  ennaveNNu solluvaaga - aa
  kOLaaRu paNNaama siththa vandhu konjunga
  cinema-vil kojuRappalE
  kaaththavaraayanai aariyamaalaa
  kaadhalichcha maadhiriyallaa
  jinjinnaakkadi jinjinnaakkadi
  paaththeengaLE neengaLum
  andha charasam paNNi paarunga
  muththu kudukka vaareeyaLaa
  kaththukkodukka vaareeyaLaa
  
  
  Madras nalla Madras paattu...
  
  Madras nalla Madras
  medhuvaa pORavanga yaarumillE
  ingE sariyaa Thamizh pEsa aaLumillE
  aambaLaikkum pombaLaikkum vidhyaasam theriyalE
  aniyaayam aaththaadiyO
  
  seettukkattu kaNakkaaga
  ingu veettu katti irukkaanga
  veetai katti irundhaalum
  silar rOttu mElE padukkaaga
  
  pattaNaththu theruvilE aaLu
  nikka oru nizhalillaiyE
  vetta veLi nilamillaiyE
  nellu kotta oru idamillaiyE
  adi sakkai
  vaikkOlaalE kaNNukkutti
  maadu eppO pOttadhu
  kakkaththilE thookki vachchaa
  kaththalaiyE ennadhu
  rokkaththukku madhippillaiyE
  ingu vekkaththukku vilaiyillaiyE
  
  ooru kettu pOnadhukku
  moore maarket adaiyaaLam
  naadu kettu pOnadhukku
  Madras naagareegam adaiyaaLam
  
  thEraattam car-inilE
  romba thimirOdu pOravarE
  enga ErOttam ninnu pOnaa
  unga car Ottam enna aagum
  
  kaaththu vaanga beachu pakkam
  kaaththu nikkum koottamE
  nEththu vaangi pOna kaaththu
  enna aachchu voottilE
  kettu pOna puLLigaLaa
  vaazha pattaNaththil vandheegaLaa
  
  
  idhE padaththil innOru paadal:
  azhagirukku ulagilE
  aasai irukkudhu manasilE
  anubavichchaa ennadaa kaNNu anubavippOm
  ...
  azhaguk kiLigaL kaiyaalE
  adi vizhundhaalum sandhOsham
  adhilE thOndrum adaiyaaLam
  adhu oru maadhiri ullaasam
  
  
  'Urimai Kural' padaththil Kannadhasan ezhudhiyadhu...
  
  aambaLaingadaa neenga aambaLaingadaa
  Or aaRu kajam sElai katti
  naalu vaLai pOdungaLEn
  
  
  'Engirundho Vandhal' padaththil:
  Hello my darling ippO kaadhal vandhaachchu
  kalyanam paNNa cholli prmise paNNiyaachchu
  
  `Ragasiya Police 115` padaththil varum
  enna poruththaam namakkuL indha poruththam
  (MGR-J saNdai pOduvadhu pOl varum nagaichuvai paadal)
  ezhudhiyavar: Kannadhasan
  
  `Thangaikkaga' padaththil angamuththu thangamuththu
  thaNNikku pOnaaLaam kavinjar K ezhudhiyadhE.
  
  adhE padaththil, veLLik kiLamai raaththiri nEram
  Calcutta-vil nadandhadhu ondru, oor engum pEr pOna
  thirudan pidipattaan endra nagaichuvai kElip paadalum
  uNdum; maRupadiyum K.
  
  'manmadha leelai' padaththil nEtroru mEnagai.
  
  K Chandra Babu-vukku ezhudhiya sila nagaichuvai (+semi
  thaththuvam) paadalgaL:
  
  In 'Andavan Kattalai': sirippu varudhu sirippu varudhu
  sirikka sirikka sirippu varudhu.
  In `Padha Kanikkai': thaniyaa thavikkiRa vayasu
  indha thavippun enakku pudhusu.
  In 'Thattungal Thirakkappadum': kaNmaNi pappaa, manidhan
  piRandhadhu kurangukkuththaan endru sonnadhu thappaa;
  kaNmaNi pappaa kOzhi piRandhadhu muttaiyildhaan endru
  sonnadhu thappaa.
  
  
  'Nichchaya Thamboolam' padaththil alankaaram alankaaram
  endru aarambikkum oru nagaichuvai paattu. idhil
  
  sambar mElE podiyai pOttaa
  veettukku veLiyE maNakkaadhaa
  aaNum peNNum muzhikkiRa muzhiyai
  yaarum paaththaa puriyaadhaa
  
  endra varigaL varum.
  
  `Thanga Surangam' padaththil Sivaji Bharathy-ai kEli
  paNNum oru nagaichuvai paadal..
  
  kattazhagu paappaa kaNNukku
  kaLLaththanam EnO peNNukku
  adhu pattukkoNdadhO
  nadai sikkik koNdadhO
  udal sERaanadhO
  silai pOlaanadhO
  
  
  'Thedi Vandha MaappiLLai padaththil MGR, J-kku
  aangila nadanam solli tharum nagaichuvai kaatchchikku
  K ezhudhiya paadal:
  
  thottu kaattavaa
  mElai naattu sangeedhaththai thottu kaattavaa
  
  
  'Thiruvarut Selvar' padaththil Nagesh & Co thuNigaLai
  thuvaiththuk koNdE paadum paadal nagaichchuvai mikka
  ondru:
  
  aaththu veLLam kaaththirukku
  azhukku thuNiyum nerainnirukku
  
  idhil sila varigaL enakku njaabagam irukku...
  
  kalyaaNa pudavaiyinnu maamanaaru koduththa sElai
  kodukkaiyilE irundha niRam pachchaiyappaa
  adhai thovachcha pinnE vandha niRam veLLaiyappaa
  
  ip paadalin kadaisiyil TMS paadum varigaLil niRaya
  thaththuvam irukkum.
  
  More later... Bye.
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate3.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Wed Aug 12 11:44:16 EDT 1998
  
  Enna Udhaya Main batting players Kanchana, Sathyakumar(Bones) & Sathya keerthi ellam bat paNNavE illai adhukuLLa wrap up paNNitEEngaLe???
  Of course Reva batted very well in place of Sathya Keerthi. :):):)
  
  Reva,
  
  You have collected a good collections. But I have doubt about few songs.. Like Urimaik kUral pattu Vaali or some one ezhuthinadhunu N-inaikirEn.
  
  You gave a very good song of KaNNadhasan which could be compared to VM's song.
  
  Madras, N-alla Madras...
  
  Vs
  Madras-a suththip paakkap porEn marinavil veedu katta porEn.... by VM.
  
  Andha, andha kaala kattaththukku thagundha madhiri rENdu perum pattu ezhuthi irukkanga. But KaNNadhasan solli irukkira sila samacharangaL annikkum, innaikkum ennikum porundhum.
  
  adhuthaan kaNNadhasan.
  
  BTW Udhaya, what is your criteria?? eppadi KaNNadahasan = VM-nu solla vareenga?? idhulaiyum vambu paNNarENu N-inaikaathEEnga. ennaku ennamo KaNNadhasan paadalgaL VM padalgaaLai vida sirappa irukkira madhiri irukku. Any comments..
  
  Pagalavan, Ramki what you think about this.
  
  Out of context...
  Ramki ennaku V.Kumarukkum VBhaskarukkum kuzhappam varum. Adhuthan thappu paNNitEn. :):)
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate3.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Wed Aug 12 11:45:11 EDT 1998
  
  closing italics....
  
  

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