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Has ARR not copied Narumugaiyae from Thanga magan inru

Topic started by G.Suresh (@ 207-172-74-59.s59.as5.man.erols.com) on Fri Apr 3 13:01:41 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Once again I reinstate this query , The simple reaon is we always blame and ignore MDs like Deva,Vidyasaagar as they carry an image of outfight copiers , We (Atlese majority of us) tend to take away the credits even if they come out with some geniune stuff.Is it not true this time with ARR, atlease I feel narumugaiyae as lot of similarities with 'Thanga Magan inru singa nadai'
from Baashaa. Recently I am also finding, I am not sure however that 'Enakke enakke' song from Jeans resembles 'Hawala' song of VidyaSaagar from 'Subaash', I would like to get the response from our world wide TFM audience , Thanks Sathya for your response

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Responses:

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• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon Jul 24 17:28:39 EDT 2000
  
  John:
  
  Who is going to be there after Judgement day to listen to him ? only corpses and carcasses :-)
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.250) on: Tue Jul 25 05:42:38 EDT 2000
  
  A different form of copying by ARR (a healthy one):-))
  http://dinamalar.com/july23varamalar/thunuk.htm
  (need fonts)
  
  
• From: query (@ 194.170.168.229) on: Tue Jul 25 07:59:05 EDT 2000
  
  guys ur opinion about the endenrum punnegai song from alaipayuthae(the one which madavan sings on his bike) and
  the bgm in mudalvan which is played during the titles( not the humming and music bgm of the mudalvanne song )
  
  
• From: Jee (@ 193.188.124.140) on: Tue Jul 25 08:11:02 EDT 2000
  
  eden,
  That quote, he revealed during his Rediff chat 2 years back. On that time, I didn't understood clearly, what he was talking about ?. Now, it's clear.
  Check in Rediff.com chat archives.
  
  
• From: Jee (@ 193.188.124.140) on: Tue Jul 25 08:20:03 EDT 2000
  
  Here goes, the transcript of ARR chat at rediff.com
  
  muthu (Mon Aug 17 1998 12:54 IST)
  
  A R Rahman, I feel you had used Prasanna to give a very good guitar in July madham vandhal from Pudhiya Mugam. Did you use him much later?? Please answer this question.
  
  
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  A R Rahman (Mon Aug 17 1998 12:57 IST)
  
  Muthu: I had a light music band in 81-82 and we mainly used to play Illayaraja's and MSV's music. What I learnt from him is that musicians needed to take cociane and alchohol to compose good music, music discipline and music with variety. During my days with him, I was a pet. Since he had worked for my father, he regarded me like his son. But I was working nearly around 13 years in films and his was the last two years. I needed a change, that's why I took up a diferent genre of music. He is a genuis!
  
  
• From: Jee (@ 193.188.124.140) on: Tue Jul 25 08:21:33 EDT 2000
  
  I was bit unclear that, is it about Ilaiyaraaja or Prasanna ? Now, I am clear.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Tue Jul 25 11:17:59 EDT 2000
  
  jee:
  
  Prasann is not old enough to treat ARR like his son :-)
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 205.252.37.3) on: Tue Jul 25 11:45:21 EDT 2000
  
  Jee:
  That is a hilarious C&P error !!! There is another MP3 site of ARR which carries this same info ! What ARR actually said was that until he met IR, he believed musicians needed to take cocaine and alcohol to compose good music !!! Through IR he learned that one could be simple, disciplined and still create mind-blowing music. Rediff has done it before with one of my emails to them. Some lunatic is doing this C&P stuff at Rediff. But it should take a very, very miniscule amount of common-sense to see that there was some C&P error with that paragraph.
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Tue Jul 25 14:04:45 EDT 2000
  
  ARR's quotes as stated in dinamalar :
  
  sangeedhathudan thodarbu konda pala kalaingnargaL madhu, bodhai porutkaLuku adimai aagi irukinDranar. enave, isai amaipaaLargaL endrale bodhaiku adimaigaL endru naan ninaithirundhen. Aanaal en ninaipai poiyaakiyavar IRdhaan. Evvidha ketta pazhakamum illamal isai thuRayil vallunar aaga mudiyum endru niroobithu irukiraar IR. Naan indru indha alavirku kadavul bhakthiyudan irukiren endraal adarku kaaranam IR-dhaan
  
  Hope this clarifies the issue and puts a full stop to the ^C-^V jugglary from rediff!
  
  chandy
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.23.161) on: Tue Jul 25 14:50:53 EDT 2000
  
  So ARR admites that he has been influenced atleast spiritually by IR;)) A step closer;))
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com) on: Tue Jul 25 18:00:59 EDT 2000
  
  The problem with the chat transcripts at Rediff is that the questions and answers are not in the same order .... I was there at the chat, and I believe that the answer above was for another question ....and the transcription error confused everyone who read just the transcripts.
  
  
• From: Jee (@ 193.188.124.140) on: Thu Jul 27 01:09:44 EDT 2000
  
  Yeah,
  It's hard to believe, such c&p errors will be there in leading site. Some time back (around 4-5 months) this topic discussed and somebody gave the link of this transscript. I got frustrated, how he can tell like this ? Some small c&p errors can cause frustration over 4-5 months. Thank god.
  
  MS & Srinath, :-)
  I donno how old prasanna is. I come to know from that question, prasanna is a guitarist for Puthiya mugam.
  For the following, NOM. Just read it in lighter mood.
  Before reading that transcript, If I know how old is prasanna, I would have got "that", what you told ? oh. common sense.. to detect c&p errors.
  The answer seems to be matching to the question, if you don't know, who & how old is prasanna.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ quark15.slip.yorku.ca) on: Sat Jul 29 02:36:22 EDT 2000
  
  It is funny how some people seem to think that it is ARR's duty to comment on IR. Why is that?
  
  I mean ARR worked for IR as an employee. Just like he did for everyone else. (He did mention about IR in a few interviews, when asked. I remember in 1995-96 on the long interview by Kumudam he said 'He is a genius, what can I say'. Then he said that he liked the song 'Inji idupazhaga at Aasai cassette release, Also that they played IR songs when he was in tamil band, 80's, about Yuvan) But in any case, ARR doesn't have to mention about IR, does he? Is he somehow indebted to IR for something? Please tell me so, for I don't really know what it is. The tamil population as a whole can be indebted to IR for a lot of his music, but then, that is his job and he gets paid for it while we buy them. But it's not like IR is responsible for ARR's achievements. I think that so far, ARR has been quite straight-forward about all the people who were the reason to his success.
  
  From what I have read in interviews, it is rather IR's side that seems hesitant to accept about ARR.
  I read IR's interview in Kalki too. But Karthikraja I have mixed doubts. He went to say in some interviews, I read them, that he didn't listen to ARR's music. Then in a others, he said stuff like 'good sound engineer.' He also went on record to say that everybody is influenced by his father, and that new composers can't do anything new(I think on Hindu)Sorry, I can't remember all, I will try to see if I have the interviews. Bavatharani also seems to follow her elder brother's ways because I have not yet read her say that she listen to ARR's music. Yuvan, the rebel in the house, is the only one that admits to listening and having favourites, kaadal rojaavae.
  
  To end, I don't mean to say that any of them need make any statements regarding ARR at all. It's just that people seem to have this idea that ARR doesn't mention IR and that is something wrong.
  
  Most of this is coming from memory. I read most of these interviews more than a couple of years ago. I think some from Vikatan, Kumudam articles that carried info on the three. One is certainly from an interview that had all three giving it at same time. The one where Yuvan mentions 'Kaadhal Rojavae' That was the first time I read someone from IR house saying they liked an ARR song. I remember feeling...'enna ippadi sollidaar, akka-vum annaa-vum pEsa poyinammO:-))
  
  O...and I know that this posting is a digression(although in line with current trend in thread) from the original topic and I am sorry, dear purists.:-))
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ quark15.slip.yorku.ca) on: Sat Jul 29 03:42:37 EDT 2000
  
  Just so nobody thinks I am talking without prove...:-))
  
  
  "Sure, they say my music is inspired by my father's," shrugs Karthik. "And perhaps it even is, who knows? But this is something that happens not just to me, but to every composer.
  
  I don't know about this...afterall, one shouldn't think that one's father is the only music composer around:-))
  
  "He has done everything there is to do," Karthik says, simply. "The rest of us can only follow along paths he has already charted."
  
  What path is has IR charted for the rest?
  
  
  ``whatever music is there has already been composed. The only thing we can do is to get inspired(?) and
  recreate the same things in some other form.
  
  Absolutely true....
  
  But...
  "A. R. Rahman has great awareness of sound. He has succeeded in introducing a new sound regime. Roja left a big impression on me."
  
  I think you all know about his comments on Filmfare a few years ago
  
  True that ARR has great awareness of sound but there is more, at least I think so. He knows a lot about recording techniques and instrument usage. And a great sense of world music, and that doesn't just mean Western Classic. I mean, Roja was original enough but the hwk related to that could have been done by anyone. Including IR. But it was ARR who took the opportunity to build on his knowledge about instruments and technology. I remember seeing his interview at home(few yrs) in which there was a copy of 'Keyboard' magazine(not published now, I think). Mm...what do you all think?
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.240) on: Sat Jul 29 07:37:41 EDT 2000
  
  aruvi!
  Cool down, who in the above discussion said that ARR has to keep complimenting IR?
  
  It's just that Dinamalar published some complimentary remarks by ARR on IR's habits (or non-habits) / its so called influence on him being spiritual etc., which previously was not reported properly by rediff earlier because of some editing mistake...all that the DFers pointed out above was just these, in a matter-of-fact tone...
  
  What triggered you to write and quote so much baffles me...
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ ws-209-233-228-254.webvangroup.com) on: Sat Jul 29 10:49:57 EDT 2000
  
  aruvi..... may be ur correct.... but i remember even ARR had told in some interview "I have not listened to IR's music", to which i remember IR as having said "I have not listened to any song called china chinaa aaaasaaai"....
  
  
• From: KSS (@ spider-wj032.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jul 29 11:10:31 EDT 2000
  
  Just an off-track observation.
  
  By the way, Aruvi, are you referring to the "Keyboard" magazine that is published in the US ? In that case, its still very alive and kicking. www.keyboardmag.com
  
  

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