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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 6: Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Tue Aug 11 19:17:02 EDT 1998.
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For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just their Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal for this thread.
Please provide the name of the song whose lines you excerpt and the name of the movie if known. Here are the symposium categories, the bold topics are yet to be discussed:
1)Iyarkai Varnanai
2)Kaadhal Paadalgal
3)Thaththuva Paadalgal
4)Vaarthai Prayoagam
5)Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal
6)Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal
7)Vingyaana/Naveena Karuthoottum Paadalgal
8)Ilakkiya Moolam Ulla Paadalgal
9)Kadhaikku Porundhiya Paadalgal(situational songs)
10)Kavidhai Milekarkal (Poetic Milestones that the poets will be remembered by!)

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• From: Sundar (@ 200-61-65.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Aug 12 20:11:42 EDT 1998
  
  Vetham Puthithu song
  "Kollai thulasi ellai kadanthaal Vetham sonna saththangal Nindru vidumaa"
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-wb064.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Aug 12 20:17:21 EDT 1998
  
  Cutting & Pasting from "thiraippAdalgaLil samudhAyak karuththukkaL" thread.....
  
  Manisekaran (@ bat-48-133.tm.net.my) on: Tue Apr 28 08:16:45 EDT 1998
  Kannadasan's song had caused so much uproar when he decided to throw light on a particular society at a particular point of time. The song
  was banned for some time. I am quoting the song to show the power of the Arasakavi's pen. Here is the
  song from Anubavi Raja Anubavi:
  Madras nalla Madraas
  Methuva pORavanga yaarumilley-ingu
  sariyaa thamizh pEsa aaLumillEy
  aambalaikkum pombalaikkum vithyaasam theriley
  aniyaayam aathadiyO!
  Seettukkattu kaNakkaha-ingu
  Veettai katti irukkaha
  veetttai katti irunthaalum- silar
  Roaadu meley paduthaaha
  pattaNathu therukkaLiliey-aaLu
  nikka oru nizhal illaiyey
  vetta veli nilam illaiyey-nellu
  kotta konjam idam illaiyey
  vaillolaley kannukkutti maadu eppO pOttathu?
  kakkathiley thooki vacha kathaliyey ennathu?
  Rokkathukku mathippillaiyey-ingu
  vekkathukku vilai illaiyey
  ooru kettu pOnathukku
  mooru markettu adaiyaaLam
  naadu kettu pOnathukku
  madrasu nagarigam adaiyaaLam
  thEraattam kaariniley romba thimiRodu pORavaLey
  enga ErOttam ninnu pOnaalunga kaarOttam ennvaagum?
  Kaathu vaanga beachu pakkam
  kaathu nitkum koottamey-nethu
  vaaangi pOna kaathu
  enna aachu oottiley?
  kettu pOna puLLigaLa
  vaazha pattanathil vantheengaLa?
  
  2.from Anandi is yet antother sooper song about sdamooga etra thaazhvu
  sorgathil irunthu naragam varai-naan
  sollamal puriyum vaazhkkai muRai
  varkkathil iraNdu vaazhumvarai-intha
  maNNil ethu nalla neethimuRai?
  vaanai Thazhuvum maaLigaiyil-ungaL
  vaazhvum vaLamum viLaiyaada
  paalum pazhamum uNavaaga -ungaL
  paarvai ovvonRum paNamaaga
  poonai uRangum aduppinilEy-engaL
  poovaiyar kaNNeer vazhinthOda
  aasaiyum uLlaada aaviyum thaLlaada
  aadukiRom veRum siliyaaga
  vaadukiROm ungaL vilaiyaaga
  kOdi kOdi aadaikaLil ungaL
  konjum iLamai merigERum!
  aadippaadi vaazhvathilEy ungal;
  aasaiyin vEgam suvaiyaagum
  maatRi uduthum aadaiyillaamal
  ezhaigaL mEni veLiyaagum
  kaavalum illamal kaalamum vellaaamal
  kELvikaL engey pathilaagum?
  
  3. MKT's song tune has been taken to compose a samoogap paadal in the film mathurai Veeran:
  echi pizhaikkum thozhiley sarithaan eNNi paarunga
  aiyaa eNNip Paarunga
  kalam ellaam vazhipparik koLLai
  kannam pOttu pizhaippathum thollai
  kanavil kooda vENdaam aiya
  nalla kELunga aiyaa nalla kELunga
  ooarai adichi pizhaikkavum vENdaam
  yaarukkum nee payappada vENdaam
  erai pidichu maanam perithaai vaazhavENdunga naamEy vaazha vENdunga
  
  4. Living in any society could be full of tests, trials and tribulations. This is because society is made up of different types of
  characters. Sometimes innocent people are made victims of circumstances. Time is the best healer for them and God is the best of all judges.
  
  ulakathil thirudarkaL sarippaathi
  oomaikaL kurudarkaL athil paathi
  kalakathil piRappathu thaan neethi-manam
  kalangathEy mathi mayangathEy
  manathukku mattum payanthuvidu
  maanathai udalil kalanthuvidu
  irukkinRa varayil vaazhnthuvidu
  iraNdil onRai paarthuvidu
  ennathaan nadakkum nadakkattumEy
  iruttinil neethi maRayattumEy
  thannalEy veLivarum thayangaathEy-oru
  thalaivan irukkiRaan mayangaathEy.
  
  KANNADAASA! POIVITTAYAA? Jeyaganthan has said " Thiraippaadal thuRayil 100 pErkaL seiyavENDiyatahi nee oruvan seithuvittu senRaai" Your absence
  is glaringly felt, and your greatness is being realised now.
  
  
• From: Sundar (@ 200-80-131.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Aug 12 20:32:38 EDT 1998
  
  VM - Matha Nallinkakkam
  
  Malorodu malar ingu magizhnthaadum pothu
  manothodu manam ingu pagai kolvatheno
  Matham ennum Matham oyattum
  Desam Malar meethu thuyil kollattum
  Vazhikindra kanneril inam illaye
  uthirathin niram ingu verillaye
  
  Vaaname illai: Siragillai naan kiliyillai(Seqeul to KD's Vaazha ninaithaal???)
  Some lines from this song
  "Puvi mele nee vidhayaanal intha Bhoomi ondrum sumayillai"
  "Un pangai Bhommiyil thedu"
  "Aintharivulla jeevan yaavum vaazhavillya, thunai thedavillaya
  aaram arivu kondom athu ondre thollaya"
  "vettiya pothum veril innum vaazhkai ullathu
  ThaLir vanthu sonnathu"
  
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-wb064.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Aug 12 20:34:02 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana (@ ww-ti04.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Apr 26 16:50:38 EDT 1998
  
  kaNNadhAsan's kavidhaigaL seem to have a personal, emotional touch which a common (wo)man can relate to.
  
  On Living:
  I'd talked earlier about Bharadhi's idea of what a good life is, expressed so well in his kaaNi nilam vENdum kavidhai. kaNNadhAsan's ideal everyday-life expressed below is quite similar: materialism in
  moderation, true friendship, true love, thamizhp patRu, patriotism, public service if possible, world peace. Movie: Shanthi.
  
  nAdu kAkka vEndum mudindhAl nanmai seiyya vENdum
  kEdu seyyum manadhaik kiLLi veesa ENdum
  thamizhum vAzha vENdum manidhan tharamum vAzha vENdum
  amaidhi engum vENdum Asai aLavu kANa vENdum
  kAtRu veesa vENdum peNgaL kAdhal pEsa vENdum
  kAdhal pEsum peNgaL vAzhvil kavidhai Aga vENdum
  mAnam kAkka vENdum peNNai madhiththu vAzha vENdum
  uNmai naNbar vENdum iruvar oruvarAga vENdum
  
  On Caste, Creed, Class, Religion
  Similar to Bharadhi, kaNNadhAsan differentiates humans based only on their character.
  
  From "karNan":
  kaNNukkuk kulam Edhu
  karuNaikku inam Edhu
  viNNukkuL pirivu(u) Edhu
  viLakkukku iruL Edhu
  
  pAlinil irundhE nei piRakkum--kaNNA
  paramporuL kaNdE uyir piRakkum
  veeraththil irundhE kulam piRakkum
  adhil mEl endRum keezh endRum engirukkum?
  
  koduppavar ellAm mEl AvAr
  kaiyil koLbavar ellAm keezh AvAr
  
  From "nAnum manidhanthAn":
  irakkam migundhavan mElpiRavi
  adhu illAdhu ozhindhavan keezh piRavi
  piRappin rahasiyam idhu allavA?
  idhu pEsum dheivaththin poruL allavA?
  
  From "pAva mannippu":
  edhanaik kaNdAn madhamthanaip padaiththAn (Note: the word "madham" was
  replaced by "paNam" later due to censor restrictions)
  
  kAdhalukku jAdhiyillai madhamum illaiyE
  kaNgaL pEsum vArththaiyilE bEdham illaiyE
  
  On Work Ethic/ Self-help & Self-Esteem/ Money:
  While kaNNadhAsan's works do not get into organized Labor issues in such detail as PattukkOttaiyaar's does, they do address the material & emotional fruits of labor at the individual level.
  
  From "paNam" re self-esteem:
  vAl pidiththE vayiRu vaLarththu
  uyir vAzhAdhu iruppadhu mAnam
  kAl pidiththE kaikoopiyE
  kaNdOraik koNdAdi pon thEdavE
  kAkkai pidippadhu avamAnam
  
  From "pazhani" emphasizing agriculture & self-help, especially relevant in today's hi-tech world:
  AROdum maNNil engum neerOdum
  ErOdum endRum namma thErOdum
  pOrAdum vElaiyillai yArOdum bEdham illai
  oorOdum sErndhu uNNalAm
  
  maNNilE thangam uNdu maNiyum uNdu vairam uNdu
  kaNNilE kANach cheyyum kaigaL uNdu vErvai uNdu
  
  A similar song on self-employment from "kanniyin kAdhali":
  kai madakki sEvagamthAn seyyavum vENdAm
  ejamAn kattaLaikkuk kAththukkittu niRkavum vENdAm!
  paiyap paiyap pEsip paNam vAngavum vENdAm
  siramam pattadhaRku palanillAmal Engavum vENdAm
  
  From "kaRuppup paNam" about the social consequences of money:
  kaiyilE paNamirundhAl kazhudhaikooda arasanadi
  kaithatta ALirundhAl kAkkai kooda azhaganadi
  
  On Socialism & Resource Allocation:
  Bharadhi sang with passion thani oruvanukku uNavillai enil jagaththinai azhiththiduvOm.
  Here is kaNNadhAsan in "kaRuppup paNam":
  ellArum ellAmum peRa vENdum
  ingu illAmai illAdha nilai vENdum
  
  vallAn poruL kuvikkum thani udaimai neengi
  vara vENdum thirunAttil podhu udaimai
  
  pAlena azhuvOrkku pAl tharuvOm
  pasum koozh enath thudippOrkkuch chORiduvOm
  
  From "pachchai viLakku":
  padiththa mAndhar niRaindha nAttil
  pArkkum yAvum podhu udaimai
  (What an irony!)
  
  kaNNadhAsan on Women's Issues
  On the Dowry System which is alive and well even today, despite Bharadhi, despite Laws, despite individual Consciences:
  
  The following verse is from a romantic duet, which can be applied to this issue. Movie: neeyA nAnA
  ponnum poruLum parisalla--avai
  poovaikku mElE peridhalla
  ennai unakkE thandhu vittEn--adhai
  idhayam thiRandhu solli vittEn
  
  In this following verse, he describes the feelings of a woman whose life is doomed because of this dowry problem which plagues our society.
  
  peN koLLa vandhAr endReNNi--siRu
  pEdhai nAn sindhinEn Anandhak kaNNeer
  pon koLLa vandhAr enndRaRiyEn--ini
  pularAdha pozhudhAgum vAzhvendRum aRiyEn!
  
  On widow remarriage:
  This issue does not need much prefacing. I'll just go ahead and give full lyrics to this song from "pudhiya pAdhai".
  maNa mAlai izhandha thAyE muga manjaL azhindha thAyE
  udal vidhavai AnadhAlE manam vidhavai Avadhillai!
  perumaiyAna dheivam nam peNmai endRu solvAr
  kOvil padhumaiyAna dheivamthAn vidhavai Avadhillai!
  oru mirugam pOdum soolam nalla sagunam endRu solvAr
  than thuNai izhandha peNNai vegu dhooram niRka vaippAr!
  poongodiyil vidhavai illai mAnkulaththil vidhavai illai
  paguththaRivu koNda mAndharthAm aRivil vidhavai AnAr!
  idhu puratchi kANum ulagam dhinam pudhumai kANum ulagam
  nee poRukka vENdum thAyE! oru pudhiya kAlam malarum!
  
  Back later....
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-wb064.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Aug 12 20:38:46 EDT 1998
  
  Continuing the "Cut & Paste" of my own postings from the samudhAyak karuththukkaL" thread.....
  
  kaNNadhAsan on the two-faced treatment of women in society: Mother Goddess versus Second-Class Citizen
  
  From rANi samyukthA:
  annai endRum
  dheivam endRum
  Arpparikkum periyOrE
  innamudhath theivamellAm
  Ettil varum thEnthAnO?
  
  From mAlayitta mangai:
  kaNgaL moodik kidappadhanAlE
  peNgaL dheivamA?
  veettil kallaippOl iruppadhanAlE
  peNgaL dheivamA?
  uyir jeevan illAmal vAzhvadhanAl
  dheivam peN endRAr!
  inbach chelvam peN endRAr!
  mAnam enbadhu peNgaLukkendRAl
  ANgaLukku En illai?
  ...
  indha nAttilum needhi illai
  thamizh Ettilum needhi illai!
  
  
  

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