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Mohd Rafi is the Greatest Singer India Produced

Topic started by Srikant (@ 12.47.54.252) on Fri Jun 1 14:28:05 EDT 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Mohd Rafi - 100
Lata Mangeshkar - 98
SPBalasubramaniam - 96
Kishore Kumar - 95
Yesudas - 94
P Susheela - 93
Asha Bhonsale - 92
S Janaki - 90
Mukesh - 90
PB SRINIVAS - 85
JayaChandiran - 85
HariHaran - 85
TM Soundararajan - 80
Mannadey - 85
unniKrishnan - 85
MahendraKapoor - 80
Malasia Vasudevan - 75
IlayaRaja - 70
SD Burman - 75
MSV - 65
Rahman - 60

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Responses:

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• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Fri Jun 15 17:03:15 EDT 2001
  
  Rafi simply excels in romantic numbers..I believe some songs of his like "aaja re aa zara" (which is one of amy all-time favouites), "abhi naa jaao chodukar", "rukh se zara naquaab", "aaj ki raat baito paas" etc. were trendsetters and have been the standards set as far as delivering romantic numbers are concerned....
  
  
• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Fri Jun 15 20:59:39 EDT 2001
  
  Since you are talking about Rafi's songs, what about the passionate songs that he sang for Madanmohan - 'meri diniya mein tum aaye', 'tum jo mil gaye ho' (BTW the lead guitarist for this song was Bhupindra) and 'tumse kahoon ek baat'(Dastak) ? Rafi although lacking 'machoness' in his voice, still could convey the passion very credibly.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.232) on: Sat Jun 16 01:20:45 EDT 2001
  
  A few pages back (in this or a similar thread?...there are so many `northie' threads around), someone pointed out that in the same movie, for the same hero, a different singer is used for specific songs (semi-classical or whatever reason). This IMHO is inadequacy on the singer's part and/or probably a sin committed by the MD.
  
  To me if the singer is changed for the hero in the same movie, a lot of charm is lost. Just imagine these scenarios: (Disclaimer -these are purely imaginary lest some XMF will start a row)
  ....
  a) Film-PM. ilayanilA is a typical SPB song OK but this is a high pitched semi-classical, let me ask TMS to sing rAgha dheepam...mani Osai is slow pathos, KJY is well suited...let me ask KJY to sing vaigarayil too... after all he sang `vAzhvE mAyam' for KH in similar situation, while SPB did all the others in that film...
  
  b) Film SB - Oh, thaNNiththotti is a typical dappAnguthu, let me give it to MV
  
  c) Film MM - Such a soft song, I shouldn't give this to MV, let KJY sing this `poongAtRu' (SPB won't suit Sivaji but KJY will)....
  
  If IR had been making decisions like the above, he would have proved himself GA's brother and never the great MD that he is! Similarly, if SPB or KJY were considered only that much, we won't call them greats...
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.81.153) on: Sat Jun 16 02:16:09 EDT 2001
  
  MS:
  >>>A song from Tansen composed by Ravi Jain which he sings in stage shows. There is NO oringinal sound track of this song. <<<
  
  Are u talking about 'shadjane paayal ....' ?
  BTW - is the music track of this film available anywhere? Also, do u know the other songs from this film?
  
  
• From: GV (@ 64.230.106.156) on: Sat Jun 16 10:28:46 EDT 2001
  
  LV/MS:
  
  "shadjane paayal..." was never released because the producers felt that the song was too classical for the market!! To the best of my knowledge, the movie and the music track were also never released. This was one of KJY's favourite songs and he used to sing it regularly in his stage shows.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Mon Jun 18 11:41:25 EDT 2001
  
  MS: I can get a video version of KJY's song (pretty decent recording too) in Tansen. Yeah! But have you been nice to me lately?:-)
  
  
• From: Yakkov (@ 216.141.126.194) on: Tue Jun 19 17:25:32 EDT 2001
  
  While on the topic of singing, has anybody here heard Luciano Pavarotti or Andrea Boccelli? The vocal range of these tenors is simply mindblowing. Though I havent' sat at the piano trying to figure out the notes they hit at the extremes but just wondering if anybody here has heard them. Now these guys have THE range. And the best part is they have a certain trick to overcoming the upperlimit of their natural voices and amazing vocal power (ie diaphram support). Thoughts?
  
  
• From: sundar (@ 202.9.162.139) on: Wed Jun 20 06:23:47 EDT 2001
  
  I would agree with Srikant. Rafi iis the greatest.Even SPB has acknowldeged that.Simply his voice range is unparellel.THe voice frequency in all the three tara,madyama and mantra sthayies
  was superbly controlled. unlike most of the other singers today.he could sing from mantra "pa" to Tara "pa" with ease.
  His melody, modulation, gamakam and emotional delivery were outstanding.tHere are several shining examples in his songs.
  
  Perhaps only SPB comes closest to him.
  
  Sundar
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Wed Jun 20 13:05:04 EDT 2001
  
  vidiya vidiya raamaayaNam kEttu, seethaikku raaman chiththappaa!:-)
  
  
• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Wed Jun 20 19:37:41 EDT 2001
  
  rajaG,
  
  vidiya vidiya katha kEttirunthA sari, vidiya vidiya thoongiyirunthA ? :-)
  
  
• From: srikanth hits a six (@ 4.4.7.242) on: Wed Jun 20 22:01:16 EDT 2001
  
  Srikanth: finally u said it. you da man. go for it.
  
  
• From: mahesh (@ 202.9.147.38) on: Thu Jun 21 00:21:52 EDT 2001
  
  undoubtedly, rafi is the greatest singer in India.
  but unfortunately, spb is the greatest singer in the universe.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.32) on: Thu Jun 21 00:26:07 EDT 2001
  
  so mahesh, your conclusion is: SPB is not an Indian :-))))))
  
  
• From: mahesh (@ 202.9.147.38) on: Thu Jun 21 00:27:03 EDT 2001
  
  universe includes India.
  
  
• From: mahesh (@ 202.9.147.38) on: Thu Jun 21 00:27:36 EDT 2001
  
  or rather mankind.
  
  
• From: Neel (@ 64.3.192.137) on: Thu Jun 21 01:15:31 EDT 2001
  
  >>HariHaran - 85
  TM Soundararajan - 80 <<
  
  kAlam !
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.81.92) on: Thu Jun 21 02:25:50 EDT 2001
  
  dear mahesh:
  And pray what makes u say so??? Is it just a feelin, or a logical conclusion. If u feel SPB is the best, that UR esteemed opinion :-)), but the PROVEN FACT is that he is ONE of the best male singers of the India,the world,the universe,mankind,humankind,of the set of all living organisms etc etc whatever u want to call.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.81.92) on: Thu Jun 21 02:28:30 EDT 2001
  
  neels: Why put TMS last out there - I cannot understand. MSV-TKR-PS-TMS was a wonderful group in the 60s. IMO - rafi,spb,KJY,TMS are easily on par.
  
  
• From: mahesh (@ 202.9.147.21) on: Thu Jun 21 03:16:38 EDT 2001
  
  lv, i am only saying spb is the greatest in the world. when one can say rafi is the greatest in india, i am entitled to say spb is the greatest in the world. i mean and always mean spb is superior to any other male singer in India.mr neel, it is a tragedy that the greatest singer in tamil film music,(spb greatest in indian film music)tms is placed behind a very ordinary cine singer but a good ghazal singer. KAAAAAAAlam.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.10) on: Thu Jun 21 04:36:18 EDT 2001
  
  mahesh:
  
  On what basis is SPB superior to KJY,RAFI,TMS. Please let us know, rather than parroting out the same statement 1000000 times in the same thread like this. That show u lack substance to support ur arguments.
  
  
• From: Shruti (@ 212.153.190.3) on: Thu Jun 21 04:40:01 EDT 2001
  
  Rafi, SP and KK(some people may differ about KK) stand unique among male singers.
  We may have out own personal favorites for reasons best known to us.
  Each of them have something very special in the way they sing and thus we have songs from them which we wouldnt want to be sung/repeated by any other.
  
  Though there is absolutely no doubting the talents of Sirkazi,TMS ... one thing which differs with them is that their voice was limited to a particular time period and may not suit today.
  
  Small digression:
  Can someone tell me if there any influence of BalaMuraliKrishna on SPB. SOMETIMES the VOICE is strikingly similar(
  for instance just before the TMS's "Paatum Naaney" in Tiruvilaiaadal there is an Aalap? by BMK and that voice is strikingly similar.
  
  -Shruti
  
  
• From: mahesh (@ 202.9.147.45) on: Thu Jun 21 04:57:20 EDT 2001
  
  shruti, you are exactly right. each of them is great in their own way. lv, spb's greatness is reflected in the number of awards he has won, the span as singer, voice, modulation, variety, versatility, sweetness etc.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.92) on: Thu Jun 21 08:52:18 EDT 2001
  
  mr mahesh:
  And pray when have I denied SPBs greatness at all? Awards do not necessarily reflect an artist's calibre. The voice modulation, sweetness,versatility,span,variety etc etc was also present in Rafi.
  
  
• From: sundar (@ 202.9.162.139) on: Thu Jun 21 09:49:03 EDT 2001
  
  I think TMS's talents has been grossly underminedin this thread.
  "pattu Naane", Vasantha Mullai, Yerikarai mele,naan petra selvam, his songs in 'PA" series ,padagotti are truly out standing. HH is no comparison to TMS. HH sounds awful and blarring in higher octaves; He can't sing in western light numbers for nuts. He used to be good as a ghazal singer.that's all. TMS is an alltime great play back singer.
  
  TMS did not maintain his voice well and after the MID 70's he met with his downfall which coincided with the rise of KJY and SPB.But Many of TMS songs are inimitable.
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Thu Jun 21 13:14:18 EDT 2001
  
  even in the 70s and 80s TMS had some great songs. all songs he sang for ir are great.
  
  
• From: Neel (@ 64.3.192.130) on: Thu Jun 21 23:29:49 EDT 2001
  
  sundar,
  
  Not only the classical songs. Can anyone other than TMS sing a song like "engE nimmathi", "yaarukkaaga", "iraNdu manam vEndum", "neeyum nAnumA kaNNA", "antha nAL gnAbagam nenjilE vanthathE", "thEvanE ennai pArungaL"?
  
  pAdugiREn pErvazhi endru cumma oothugiRa Hariharanai, listla TMSkku mEla pottuttaangaL. enakku manasE aaRalai. Sometimes I wonder what did they do in the 60s and 70s in TeluguFM, MalayalamFM and KannadaFM without a voice like TMS who came to define TFM of the 60s and early 70s along with the queen PS.
  
  
• From: mahesh (@ 202.9.149.226) on: Thu Jun 21 23:45:31 EDT 2001
  
  lv, what is obvious needs no explanation. same is the case relating to spb, the best of the lot.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Fri Jun 22 13:11:34 EDT 2001
  
  Neels:
  Well said. TMS blabers oflate and the reason is because, he did not get his due recognition. His voice is unique and it's only because of him that most of Shivaji and MGR songs are still popular.
  
  
• From: mahesh (@ 202.9.180.31) on: Sun Jun 24 03:13:33 EDT 2001
  
  neel, there is no doubt that tms is the greatest ever tamil film music singer.he just picturises the scenes in our mind thorough his songs.but luckily, we had an excellent successor to tms in spb.unfortunately we dont see any present day singers coming anywhere near to spb. it is a tragedy that spb also doesnt sing much in tamil whereas he makes good numeber of songs in telegu.
  
  

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