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Maestro Ilaiyaraja has to change style radically

Topic started by Nithin Sreedevan (@ nc.pr.mcs.net) on Tue Mar 3 19:42:34 EST 1998.
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Ilaiyaraja has to change style radically to be accepted by the growing City audience

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• From: KR (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Sun May 17 12:55:30 EDT 1998
  
  But you are missing the point! IR does not have to change his style at all. One just has to give up their bias built based on hype and listen to the quality of music to enjoy the class of IR's music. Well, for the market segment of people whowant to listen to cacaphony of sounds, there are always those other MDs.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Sun May 17 13:49:00 EDT 1998
  
  venus: Try the search utility at the top to find the thread. There have been a few threads on India 24 hrs.
  
  
• From: Nithin (@ nc.pr.mcs.net) on: Mon May 18 00:56:38 EDT 1998
  
  Friends
  
  This still is a topic I would not run away from. During the course of discussions about Danny Elfman (considered the king of film composers) I bought his Men In Black album to confirm my feeling that Danny Elfman is highly influenced by Illaiyaraja's style. I continue to defen that claim, however in the process I found that Danny Elfman may be a shade more sophisiticated that any one composer including Illlaiyaraja in terms of sound mixing or tracks. If you listen to MIB, you will know what I am trying to say. Danny Elfman has so many layers or tracks that the music is highly mutlilayered (more than any western classical orchestral pieces) and yet sounds just like one piece of music. I think, Illaiyaraja should incorporate this feedback into his symphony and bring out some of the most intricate musical patterns ever weaved on this earth.
  
  
• From: SARA (@ 202.188.151.235) on: Mon May 18 01:11:23 EDT 1998
  
  I aggree with Mr.Diwakar. I think thats what IR should do if he wants his fans. Publicity, media gimmicks or the directors cann't influence or make tfm lovers to listen the cacaphony type of sounds. If it is so how did songs in POOVARASAN and KATHELUKU MARIYATHAI famous and became a super hit for IR. This a proofthat alot of IR fans waiting to listen to musics like this and not the others which r not to his standard. Even Maniratnam"s Thiruda Thiruda is a failure followed by Iruvar.
  
  I don't really aggree that directors are the main reason or the publicity given itself can make a album successfull. Till now all Ir fans are with him coz of his potential of giving that heart touching songs. Let him give the songs like Enna Thalatha Varuvala and I bet he will outbeat the cacaphony MDs
  
  IR's NO:1 FAN
  
  
• From: KR (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Mon May 18 18:48:08 EDT 1998
  
  Well! You may want to believe what you want! The whole idea behind marketing is creating "perceptions". That is what exactly was done with Rahman's music. Raja's music has been great and I've listed the movies of '97 as an example. Please quote some compositions of the same peiod that even comes close in imagination and innovation. That is his genius! I hope IR does not change to cater to people who prefer other types of music, I favoritely call cacphony of sounds.
  
  
• From: KR (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Mon May 18 18:48:22 EDT 1998
  
  Well! You may want to believe what you want! The whole idea behind marketing is creating "perceptions". That is what exactly was done with Rahman's music. Raja's music has been great and I've listed the movies of '97 as an example. Please quote some compositions of the same peiod that even comes close in imagination and innovation. That is his genius! I hope IR does not change to cater to people who prefer other types of music, I favoritely call cacphony of sounds.
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Tue May 19 10:03:44 EDT 1998
  
  Hi ,
  If anyone says that all the songs not composed by raja are cacaphony,
  it is only ignorence- Kinatru Thavalaigal...
  
  AR has done few good things to music,
  He forced the sound quality, calrity, Crispeness
  no MDS can match his recording stds,
  All the studios have same equipments
  but why none is able to produce such a quality,
  
  Raja fans have to hear more music ,.....other than Raja, Raja is great agreed, but this not reduce the ability of other musicians.....
  Dont pull other musicians legs in the name of
  Raja's fanhood... Too Much
  Srikanth
  
  
  
  
• From: SARA (@ 202.188.154.42) on: Tue May 19 13:44:21 EDT 1998
  
  U r right Srikanth we have to accept what ever is good and not try find faults. IR is great so is ARR in his own way alot of Malaysians and Singaporeans believe ARR made alot of changes in the TFM world even the non TAmils are liking ARR songs which we should be proud of. Take the Taiwainese for instance they are good copycats of English songs but the chinese audience accept it and supports them. Why we cann't do it . Accept what is good products delivered maybe its all different brands but serve the purpose. Lets enjoy.
  
  
• From: MSK (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com) on: Tue May 19 21:22:24 EDT 1998
  
  SARA,
  
  The IPR folks would love to hear from u ..
  
  
  Srikanth,
  
  u r right! ARR is an excellent sound technician. He is also good in "mixing" used songs !! His survival and popularity in IFM (Indian film music ) is astonishing proof.. that it works..
  
  Quite a few IR's albums lack much in recording quality.
  
  
  
  
• From: KR (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Wed May 20 11:50:56 EDT 1998
  
  Hey! Everyone's getting sensitive when ARR gets a little heat. Look at this thread. There was so much unfair bashing of Ir going on by the so called "experts" claiming IR should change his style. It was in response to that. It is amazing how people just don't appreciate the presence of a rare genius like IR in our midst.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Wed May 20 14:25:26 EDT 1998
  
  Hi ,
  This heat is not for AR or Deva,
  My point is not degrade other musicians scores as Cacaphony,
  
  Other also work very hard....Others I meant not Deva or Sirpi - there are many musicians in the TFM who are unkown to most of us.
  
  
  
• From: KR (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Wed May 20 18:42:30 EDT 1998
  
  Sorry for belaboring this point! That was only in response to people unfairly criticizing IR's music - either saying he has lost his touch or have to change his style radically etc.- while he is still producing unbeliveable music. Being a big IR fan, I want to stand up and say that if you leave the "marketing" aspects aside, Raaja's music quality is golden and his compositions still outdoes his competitior's music.
  
  
• From: SARA (@ 202.188.155.164) on: Fri May 22 06:50:14 EDT 1998
  
  MSK
  
  I am sorry but what does IPR stands for?
  
  I am not a expert in musics or sound technology. Even not familiar with raagas and charanaam. Would like to highlight something here IR in an interview have said that NOONE has done or produce something new in musics since its music is within that SA.RI GA .........................NI.
  
  What I don't understand is why we are not accepting the type of musics given by ARR/DEVA/VIDYASAGAR/SIRPI/KR.
  I aggree we have the right to criticise these musician since we are the fans or audience.
  
  Some of our forum members take all time to find where did ARR or DEVA must have copiied their latest songs. Why not we say he has done a good job for the tfm listeners. DEVA's songs in ASAI and NER KU NER are exceptional many of loved it even its was copied from what ever source has given in this forum.
  
  ARR's songs in ROJA/THIRUDA THIRUDA/INDIAN/KZHULAKU CHEMAILAI/MUTHU/JEANS/KARUTHAMA have made alot of changes to the tfm industry. His movie albums is a sell out in Msia and Singapore. The songs aired almost every hour on the radio in both countries. ARR has made a big impact here there is no doubt about it.
  
  IR is the greatest rare genius ever produced and there will be only one IR same like only one PELE or MARADONNA. Both players are best in their own way but many regard PELE is the greatest soccer son and MARADONNA with alot of scandal.
  
  I am a IR fan since I started watching TMovies 13 years ago. Till today I can listen to his song they still have the UUMPH!!!! not like ARR's how many people can listen to the hots like MUKALA now. Thats the different between this 2 MDs.
  
  The english music industry are totally different they have POP/RAP/JAZZ/HARD ROCK/HEAVY METAL/R&B/BLUES /COUNTRY AND MANY MORE which i am not aware of. Sometimes I wonder what type of raagas or charanam this rappers r using or the words used by the rockers. However alot of Indians claims this are the best and always condemthe tamil songs. They have attitude that all the western products musics movies are the best.
  
  For example why is VAneesa Mae popular and Pula kudi VAnthiyanathan (i hope the spelling is right) not. I feel everyone should apperiaciate the effort put by all MDS rather than finding faults. But do criticise them so that we the TFM fans gets the best from them.
  
  Hoping to get the best from IR in future. lIke KATHALUKU MARIYATHAI .
  
  IR IS A GENIUS
  
  IR NO 1 FAN
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ 137.132.124.30) on: Fri May 22 06:55:08 EDT 1998
  
  Sara:
  
  IPR stands for Intellectual Propert Rights.
  
  
• From: KR (@ 208.28.2.2) on: Fri May 22 07:16:49 EDT 1998
  
  I was listening to 'Potri Padadi Ponne' from devar magan ("92) this morning as I was driving to work. I was amazed. Can you honestly see anyone else composing such a great song. Though it was set in a village background, it was composed with such class and intelligence it blows your mind.
  
  Just my two cents worth to one of the points in the last posting about how ARR's music has changed tfm. Take any ARR song, I can quote an earlier IR song where IR has already composed songs in that style for eg: western classical, hindustani, without any instrumenets just human voices as background, western styles, carnatic etc. The myth behind ARR somehow has tranformed tfm music is that IR produces so much variety that he does not get credit for attempting different styles which are invogue now. For eg. in the discussion in this forum recently someone wrote IR does not use drums in songs as well as ARR. That's just baloney! Listen to songs as early as Kakki Chattai (Poopotta Dhavani), Neengal Kettavai, Agni Natchathiram (Raja Rajathi Rajan song.. the only instrument in the interludes are drums and note the changes between the 1st and 2nd interlude), Nayagan, Idhaythi thirudathe, Velaikaran. Not only IR has used it earlier butinnovates with it so much. My hypothesis is since IR strives for variety, not only does not get credit for some types of music but peole consider others better in those types of music.
  
  
• From: SARA (@ 202.188.151.118) on: Sat May 23 05:39:18 EDT 1998
  
  Thank You Sathiya!
  
  KR
  
  I love Engee Edipu Azlagi in Thevar Magan. U r right about IR earlier movies but the point is why the present songs r not comparable to his 80s and early 90s thats what we r wondering about.
  
  Have u heard the songs of Kangalil Ena Vartigalo I can't believe the MD is IR. The present songs of IR don't have the attraction or able to catch the mind.
  
  There songslike in Thalapathy, Nayagan , Mouna Raagam, Muthal Mariyathai, Ejjaman, Padikathavan, Mahanadhi, and many many many more which still can be litened everyday. Thats what I and his fans want from IR. Its unfair to say we r not liking his mussic or songs now because of ARR's music is more interesting and suites the present generation. How did songs in the movies like Kathaluku Mariyathai , Poo Arasan and Veera Thalathu can became a hit.
  
  Pls correct me if I am wrong.
  
  I heard in a news that IR is coming to Malaysia on the 27May to launch hisbook Vaarai Thunai. any idea what the book is about.
  
  IR NO1 FAN
  
  

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