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Why Tamil Film Music is WAY AHEAD of other Indian Film Music?

Topic started by ..raj (@ 203.200.197.65) on Wed Feb 18 06:42:07 EST 2004.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Be it IR, MSV, AR, YSR, or HJ..... Why Tamil Film music and composition is a way ahead of other Indian Film Music? Or I am feeling so since I am listening to them often?

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• From: raja m (@ 67.87.27.19) on: Thu Mar 4 08:18:26 EST 2004
  
  Mythila:
  
  Can you provide more info on the original song on which Malar edhu is based on?
  
  Even if MSV copied Malar Edhu - well his inspired version is just outstanding thanks to PS
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Thu Mar 4 08:20:18 EST 2004
  
  Ferrari,
  I was just pulled into the discussion. I was just content reading the posts here, but when one treats Deva and RDB on the same plane(Hype)...thudikkuthu bujam, thakita thakadhimi thom thakita thaka dhimi thom, C~P!! :-)
  
  Vijay,
  You are the next Einstein perhaps. You are obsessed with your theory of relativity! I don't understand the reason for you to compare and decide on who is a legend and who is not. It is normal for an MD to get inspired.
  
  I wouldn't be surprised if you come up with this next..
  35/2500 = 0.014 and 11/8000 = 0.0014,
  Hence concluded IR is 10 times better than RDB using Vijay's Theory of Relativity!
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Mar 4 08:33:58 EST 2004
  
  ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...
  Nachunu nadaswaratha eduthu nadu mandaila adichitte C~P
  
  
• From: driver_bhaisahaab (@ 67.87.27.19) on: Thu Mar 4 08:39:08 EST 2004
  
  Ferrari:
  
  DRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....:))
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Thu Mar 4 08:42:10 EST 2004
  
  "Nachunu nadaswaratha eduthu nadu mandaila adichitte C~P"
  :-)) ROTFL! Enga pudicheenga indha expression-a?!
  
  raja m,
  ennadhu idhu public forum-la poi...cha cha...bad smell adikkuthu paarunga! :-)
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Mar 4 08:44:58 EST 2004
  
  http://specials.rediff.com/movies/2004/mar/03sld01.htm
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Mar 4 08:47:38 EST 2004
  
  Karagatakkaran padathula vara dialogue pa
  
  
• From: raja m (@ 67.87.27.19) on: Thu Mar 4 08:50:31 EST 2004
  
  I wanted it to sound like the sound of a ferrari speeding - nothing more :-), great expression anyway.
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Thu Mar 4 08:56:59 EST 2004
  
  Ferrari,
  oh yeah? I guess so. But I can't even think back to see if it's rite. I'm still ROTFL!! :-))
  
  raja m,
  Pithamagan padam paartheengala? Adhula Surya laegyam vikkarchae adikkara dialogue ellam gnabagam varudhu neenga sollartha paartha! :-)
  
  
• From: raja m (@ 67.87.27.19) on: Thu Mar 4 09:02:40 EST 2004
  
  c~p, I havent seen pithaamagan. I too ROTFL when I read ferarri's quick response.
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 203.200.33.65) on: Thu Mar 4 09:05:34 EST 2004
  
  rajam,
  I used to listen to golden oldies from the miami radio station where, every sunday they play the old English songs from 50's , 60's. It was purely by chance that I found few songs dangerously resembling the aforementioned songs.
  "Malar edhu" is still one of MSV's all time best songs like "Manamedai malargaludhan deepam" of Gyaanaoli
  
  
• From: AV (@ 132.206.72.62) on: Thu Mar 4 10:42:04 EST 2004
  
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  I wouldn't be surprised if you come up with this next..
  35/2500 = 0.014 and 11/8000 = 0.0014,
  Hence concluded IR is 10 times better than RDB using Vijay's Theory of Relativity!
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  Here is an extension of Vijay's theory :)
  There is no song by Ghantasala Venkateshwara Rao listed on the website for plagiarism. Let's assume out of say 800 songs he composed, none were copied. So Ghantasala's ratio = 0/800 = 0 IR's ratio = 0.0014. Hence Ghantasala is INFINITELY ( 0.0014/0 = INFINITY) better than IR :).
  
  Vijay:
  
  "you have to resort to songs from private albums..."
  
  Awwww come on. I just had the mp3 file and I wished to share it with others. A list of RDB's classical songs would be quite significant in terms of quality. And "ghar aaja.." was not a private-album song. Its RDB's first film song.
  
  Mythila's point about North Indian films never or rarely making use of Southern music is absolutely true. In the South, MDs have made good use of Hindustani music. Take Adinarayan Rao for instance! The one and only time I have heard some form of Carnatic in Hindi films is this:
  http://www.sawf.org/audio/gaudsarang/pardesi.ram
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Thu Mar 4 10:47:01 EST 2004
  
  "If the number 35 is greater than 10, so be it. If this is the yardstick, well then your argument is surely biased.
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  Huh? How is it biased. Numbers dont lie.All I am saying is that RDB has lifted more songs(irrespective of how many songs he has composed) than most MDs and this is a significant FACT whether you like it or not. I havent mentioned anything else about his creativity (or lack of it).
  
  "RDB has copied, yes, so has IR. When Darling Darling is mentioned (in this forum), someone says this was because Panju Arunachalam wanted it. When Kanavu Kaanum is mentioned, then someone says this was a tribute to Salilda (?). There is one more song mentioned in this forum which is based on Dvorak's symphony-well IR was dedicating this to Dvorak - Give me a break.
  "
  
  Well, I didnt personally deny any of the above raja m. Why are you whining about it? Seems like you have some issues from past years. I have included all the songs you have mentioned under the inspirations for IR which still adds up to around 10.
  "This is just one opinion from a fan - which again is his/her opinion"
  
  Well, then the duplicate being better than the original is just YOUR opinion, dont speak for others, speak for yourself. What is NOT an opinion however is the number of inspired songs and the fact that a few of them like Chura Liya/Mehbooba etc. were superhits and many including that rediff writer still assume they are original.And as for opinions, I would place more weightage on a professional writer's opinion than on a nobody's.
  Again, You havent contributed anything to this discussion apart from admittedly instigating HYPE and other posters. Seems like you do that quite often.
  
  " I don't understand the reason for you to compare and decide on who is a legend and who is not. It is normal for an MD to get inspired.
  "
  
  C~P, you seem to be putting words in my mouth. I never made any comments on who was a legend and who wasnt. My comments was on the inspirations side alone. I was just saying that considering the overall picture, its a significant fact that RDB has the highest number of inspirations which includes a few superhits as well. But looks like you wish to misinterpret and put words in my mouth everytime, thats fine.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Thu Mar 4 10:54:46 EST 2004
  
  AV, I never made any statement that a particular MD was 10 times better than someone else and so on. Its something C~P extrapolated/invented himself and then passed it off as something I said. This is what is called putting words in someone else's mouth. Go back and read what I said earlier.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Thu Mar 4 11:00:11 EST 2004
  
  "Mythila's point about North Indian films never or rarely making use of Southern music is absolutely true."
  
  Not true, check out Dhak Dhak Karne laga and all the songs that Anand-Milind lfted. Even one of Shankar-Ganesh's songs made it in Beta. Even in the 60s there were a few.
  
  
• From: raja m (@ 67.87.27.19) on: Thu Mar 4 11:03:33 EST 2004
  
  Vijay:
  
  Well, as per your analysis which is based on numbers, RDB is the biggest copy king, great! this will not change the opinion of others who are equally if not more musically inclined and have heard enough music to appreciate the goods and bads.
  
  I dont whine, I do have issues to the fact that, many good Dfers have left this forum due to group bashing and attacking personally.
  
  Well again you havent contributed anything either, your entire purpose was to put RDB in bad light and when people retort, you keep saying the same thing again and again, according to you RDB is a copy master - great. Please go ahead and put all the weight behind the rediff writer. You can as well sit on the writer's head. If you think all your posts in newtfmpage are great - continue to live in that dream world.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Thu Mar 4 11:12:53 EST 2004
  
  "I dont whine, I do have issues to the fact that, many good Dfers have left this forum due to group bashing and attacking personally.
  "
  Raja m, you must know since you do the instigation most of the time as you have already confessed :-)
  
  As for RDB's good original numbers, I am very well aware if it and I have quite a collection myself. My initial response in this debate was to AV who was defending RDB's inspirations as "adaptations" just the way IR fans or someone else's fans defend their idol's inspirations. And thats what I was trying to refute. You jumped in and took it in a different direction, thats fine.
  
  And I didnt club RDM along with the likes of Deva/Anu Malik like you claim, for his creative abilities. My point is simple : just acknowledge that he has a significant number of inspired songs including a few superhits(although he indeed has given many good original numbers which I have NOT denied) and move on.But hardcore RDB fans seem to be having a problem digesting that fact.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Thu Mar 4 11:13:43 EST 2004
  
  "If you think all your posts in newtfmpage are great "
  
  I never said that, dont assume things or put words in my mouth when your points get refuted :-)
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Thu Mar 4 11:18:15 EST 2004
  
  AV,
  Let's stick to Real Numbers ok?! :-)
  
  Vijay,
  Huh. I am putting words into your mouth? You are putting words in my mouths a la Kamal in PKS!!
  Agreed that you never made any statement about the legacy. Well, if your statement ("the biggest thief") doesn't give me the right to infer certain things, I have nothing much to add! You don't call a Legend, a "big thief".
  
  "Its something C~P extrapolated/invented himself and then passed it off as something I said. This is what is called putting words in someone else's mouth."
  Huh, puleezze! I was just being sarcastic when I made that statement and so was AV! I don't know what else to say when such things arise even after I said "I wouldn't be surprised if you come up with this next..".
  I am sorry if that "analysis" offended you. When you expect me to take things in good spirit, I expect the same from you. Sorry again.
  
  

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