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Why Tamil Film Music is WAY AHEAD of other Indian Film Music?

Topic started by ..raj (@ 203.200.197.65) on Wed Feb 18 06:42:07 EST 2004.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Be it IR, MSV, AR, YSR, or HJ..... Why Tamil Film music and composition is a way ahead of other Indian Film Music? Or I am feeling so since I am listening to them often?

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• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Thu Mar 4 03:52:15 EST 2004
  
  Vijay,
  The "coming first" thing was just to suggest that I hadn't jumped in the middle of some unknown territory! I wasn't trying to be a Colombus as you took it to be! :-)
  
  35/2500. This is what AV has been talking about all along. If that still makes RDB a biggest thief, so be it!
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Thu Mar 4 03:53:00 EST 2004
  
  *the biggest thief
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Thu Mar 4 03:59:19 EST 2004
  
  "35/2500. This is what AV has been talking about all along. If that still makes RDB a biggest thief, "
  
  Of course it makes him so, when there are other MDs with 10/8000 or so :-) You have to view it relatively
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Mar 4 04:03:27 EST 2004
  
  Enna C~P nee,
  
  RDB madhiri genius pathi kandadha pesra kootathukku repond pannalaama???
  Andha aalau indha ulagathula evlo sahikanamo adhukku mela saadhichitu pogavum poyaachu.
  
  Kishore kumar monotnous voice. pushpavanam kuppusamy has the best voice appadinu konja naal kazhichu indha kootam oru thread aarambichalum aarambikkum.
  
  Unnoda kelvikku badhil.
  
  English music - Tamil music vandhu pala light years dhoorathula irukku. Nerungave mudyiadhu..
  
  
  
• From: S:-)s (@ 203.200.199.155) on: Thu Mar 4 04:15:02 EST 2004
  
  Vijay,
  
  I think you should not presume that others do not know about MDs prior to RDB.
  The scope of our discussion was limited to refuting some of the negative
  claims on RD, thats all. Rating MDs and the criteria for the same is a hot issue.
  You can make the criteria to suit ur viewpoint and that debate is not worth the effort.
  Also please understand that there are/could be people in here with close tie to industry so
  assumptions like "people do not know the history" etc are best avoided.
  In fact posts like "MSV etc didnt have many inspirations" bring a chuckle/smile if u really
  happen to know some of these people....
  S:-)s
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Mar 4 04:23:35 EST 2004
  
  Ada vidungapaaa. Idhu dravida kalacharam kondu vandha sadhanai. Hindi la enna achievement nadandalum, adhu copy illai inspiration. and tamil mattum dhaan original, and greatest.
  indha madhiri nenaipoda neraya peru suthindu irukaanga.
  tamil valarchi= hindi veezhchi appadinu oru equation neraya peru manasula padinju pochu. thats the reason for the meaningless posts.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Thu Mar 4 04:49:09 EST 2004
  
  Ferrari, the same way Hindi land treat anyone to the south of vindyas as madrasi and fit for idly sambar. see the southindian comedy, presentation in all movies. what would you call that.Aryan kalacharam?!
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Mar 4 04:58:38 EST 2004
  
  seri paa. avanga panranga appadingaradhunaala naama koranju poitomaa illai koranji poiduvomaa?
  
  sardarji pathi kindal panradha vidava nammala jaasthi kindal panraanga?
  
  and avanga panraanga appadingaradhunaaala naamala andha madhiriye panni aaganumaa??
  
  and do you know one thing. I was never saying that north indians are great or something like that. I was just referring to our culture especially post 1967..it starts and ends there.
  
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Mar 4 05:00:22 EST 2004
  
  and in our movies every north indian is a nagai kadai set irrespective of where he is from. we all are indians..but dravidian culture's preaching say something else. I was trying to emphasise that point...
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 203.200.33.65) on: Thu Mar 4 05:19:47 EST 2004
  
  Why is RDB alone singled out for plagiarism?
  What about MSV and Rammurthy after they separated
  (Iam ignorant about their VR days together) during late 60's?
  I remember hearing atleast few songs of MSV being copied from very old, rare late 50's english songs. "Nalladhu kanne" from Raaman thediya seethai,"Sorgam pakkathil" from enga maamaa,
  "malar yedhu en kangal thaan" from Avalukku enru oru manam.(They are anyway my fav songs )
  Ramamurthy got insired from "Come September" much before the HFM pundits copied it twice . I have my own doubts about MSV's and Ramamurthy's western flavoured songs.
  I don't know how many have read director Sridhar's chronology
  ("Thirumbi paarkiren" or "Ninaivalaigal",
  Iam not very sure of the title) in Kalki which appeared as a "Thodar", few years back.
  Read what he said about the composing style of MSV. Sridhar, being a very tough man to please ,
  it seems, MSV used to have a hard time to convince Sridhar to select a tune from the
  hordes of western music tape records he had. Sridhar mentions this in a very casual
  way as if selecting or picking a tune from western music records were the norm those days.
  (I have personally seen Ganesh(of SG duo) doing this(I mean, selecting or picking a tune
  from western music cassettes) , much to my dismay!!!) Sridhar had mentioned this
  about the song selection "enna enna aasaigalo" for the film Venniraadai.
  But as AVR said, MSV ,Ramamurthy, SG would also have ensured to put their own stamp too.
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Mar 4 06:00:45 EST 2004
  
  http://winisp.net/bogusboy/hondaad.htm
  
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Mar 4 06:05:33 EST 2004
  
  that was a great post. Interesting to hear about what sridhar had said. One of the greatest directors of Tamil cinema
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 203.200.33.65) on: Thu Mar 4 06:05:55 EST 2004
  
  Coming back to the topic, HFM has failed to imbibe the rich, vibrant music culture down the south of Vindhyaas , where as there is ample evidence of TFM taking the best from the north.
  "Ulagin mudhal isai thamizhisaiye" is a good example of jugalbandhi from film Thavapudhalvan , music by MSV,"Paaradi kanne konjam" was a thamizh qawaali ,those days.
  "Yenna dhaan ragasiyamo idhayathille" is again a beautiful usage of Hindhusthaani raaga.
  In IR's work in 16 vayadhinille(sevvandhi poo mudicha) , I can feel the influence of Salil'S classic "paapi bichua" of Madhumathi which was welcomed.
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Mar 4 06:25:02 EST 2004
  
  I would still like to repeat the same point. Norht indian people dont listen just to film music to music thirst.........
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Mar 4 06:35:32 EST 2004
  
  *-i meant to quench music thirst
  
  
• From: raja m (@ 67.87.27.19) on: Thu Mar 4 06:52:53 EST 2004
  
  Vijay:
  
  My response:
  
  // RajaM, the comparison of Deva with RDB was regards to AVs weak defense of RDBs lifts saying that he had merely "adapted" them. You can extend the same to most other inferior MDs like Deva who have also "adapted" such songs. This doesnt mean RDB and Deva are on the same level. My point is there are absolutely no excuses for the number of inspirations RDB has especially when MDs from the south have composed far more movies with far less inspirations. And thats something which you need not even bother to refute :-) //
  
  RDB has copied, yes, so has IR. When Darling Darling is mentioned (in this forum), someone says this was because Panju Arunachalam wanted it. When Kanavu Kaanum is mentioned, then someone says this was a tribute to Salilda (?). There is one more song mentioned in this forum which is based on Dvorak's symphony-well IR was dedicating this to Dvorak - Give me a break.
  
  I have never said anywhere in this forum over many years that IR copies which is absolutely foolish. MSV/TKR have also have blatantly lifted Anubavam Pudhumai off some latin american tune (believe me I have heard the original -this is a xerox copy). Naladhu Kanney is copied off Strangers in the night.
  IR, MSV and RDB and many others have done much more to IFM, so please do not club them with other MDs. If the number 35 is greater than 10, so be it. If this is the yardstick, well then your argument is surely biased.
  
  // Oh, looks like you havent read all those RDB tributes or articles that mention this song as one of his greatest. Thats fine. Now that you know its inspired I am not surprised to see you change your stance :-)
  "The strings, the beats and the vocals! Mehbooba was all about vivacity. " //
  
  This is just one opinion from a fan - which again is his/her opinion. Well I too can pull out articles that valiyurithify my side of any story.
  
  // Many of RDB's illustrious predecessors while churning out classics havent had that many inspirations either.Its too bad if the current generation of HFM listeners arent aware of the great music which came in the 60s before the RDB era.//
  
  Not me Pal ! I have been listening to HFM and as I get older appreciate more of the 50s classics.
  
  //"IMO, in this forum, I have seen great posts by well informed folk as well as mentally challenged posts on the important argument whether HFM or TFM is better, and then the comparison invariably turns to IR vs the rest, and then the arguments turn into personal attacks and objectivity is lost. "
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  As for objectivity getting lost you are as guilty as anyone else here in taking sides and then admitting to "instigating" HYPE who was only providing evidence to support his point.And I havent seen you contributing anything substantial to this thread apart from annoying other posters :-) //
  
  I dont usually get into fights, I have done,long time defending ARR and have then been bad mouthed by many and have resisted this temptation so often . If you are the same Vijay who is part of the IR fan club/Mafia (this used to include Madhan, SVageeswaran and the like), well my instigation did the work. If you are a different Vijay, well ignore this :-))
  
  // "According to me, both these are much better than the originals, taste differs "
  
  Raja, taste has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. You might like the duplicate better because of your own bias. That doesnt mean there wasnt an inspiration there. What you have said above is a perfect example on how to kill objectivity in a discussion :-) //
  
  Well Vijay we can take a poll and find out whether the copies mentioned are better than the original. personal taste is a big issue in music, thats why there is so much fire in this forum for so many years.
  
  
• From: raja m (@ 67.87.27.19) on: Thu Mar 4 07:23:58 EST 2004
  
  Vijay: Missed this piece
  
  //and I havent seen you contributing anything substantial to this thread apart from annoying other posters :-) //
  
  If you feel I havent contributed anything to this thread - this is your `subjective' opinion. As regards annoying other posters - you are more guilty of this in this forum (not just this thread).
  
  Anyway NOM:-)
  
  
  

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