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Tamil Film Music Cateogories

Topic started by Mukund (@ internet-gw1.hea.com) on Tue Mar 10 17:54:59 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I want all of us to participate in a healthy discussion to come up with reasonable definition of different kinds of music cateogories - thereby shedding more light to unexplored areas of Tamil Film Music as it is becoming more and more "international" :-) by the day. This process is simply to increase the knowledge base.

Cateogories that come to my mind are Carnatic, Western Classical, Jazz, Fusion, Flamenco, New age etc. -- :-) so many terms and so little definition.

As for Carnatic and Western Classical, their foundations lie basically in melody and harmony based approaches to music.

What are the foundations of other kinds of music ?
Are they based on the use of certain kind of instruments ?

Since TFM-DF consists of varied set of people with inclinations towards different musical tastes as well I am hoping a lot of them to contribute for this article

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• From: mannAru (@ ns.arraycomm.com) on: Thu Apr 2 21:50:11 EST 1998
  
  aruLs:
  
  4 note theme?? ennai kuzhappureengalE. I thought
  the theme is made of melody and melody is related to the patterns of the notes, not to the notes itself. illayA? periyavargal konjam clarify seyyavum.
  
  Now more questions to all the profs.
  
  1) If a composition is in a scale, say A major, it
  basically fixes the type of patterns and the
  set of notes(from the super set 12).
  Does it limit the number of notes also
  as in indian classical? In any way how can the
  notes constrain the theme? may be it will
  constrain the melody to certain extent.
  
  2) I am thinking the closest we can get, from indian classicals, for melody is raga. If so, what is it
  for theme? If not so, what are they for melody
  and theme?. kunsA artham sonnA pOdhum.
  
  3) Are meter, tempo also parts of a theme?
  
  Pals:
  
  There is lot of relation between gana,
  mannAru and karadi. U know what they are ;)
  karadi nethikki vAranathukitte pesinappa
  pal eppadinnu kettuchu. AnA indha yAnai irukkE
  kandukkaradhE illE. yAnai car Ota ArambichunnA
  pArthukkavEn. kali kAlam swami! kali kAlam.
  
  mannAru
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-td03.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Apr 3 21:27:26 EST 1998
  
  Dai BS:
  
  Shhhshshhshhh!, summa iruda, pin pakkam kadhavula
  vandhuttaen, yarukkum solladha ......
  
  Indha class kattu adhuchadha Proffesor-amma
  Pricipal kitta complain pannitaanga :-(((((((
  Adhukku dhaan innikku naan vandhaen.
  
  Indha class-la ukkandhu ennada pannikuttu irukka ?
  Adhuvum nee first bench-la, ennala nambavae
  mudiyalada :-))) Enakku ippo purinjudhu yaen nee
  first benchla utkardhannu, adhO! andha ponna
  dhaana site adikkura :-)))) Dai vaada indha
  pakkam last benchukku, yaedhO perisa pOi
  "Hi-Funda" questions kaekka pOittana, kaettadhu
  pOdhum vaa nice-aa indha class vittu nazhuvidalam.
  Semma bore-da!
  
  Professor enna solraanga ? Class-la ellarum
  thoonguraanga, paper irukkada oru rocket senju
  adho namma Mux irukkarae avar thoonguraru, rocket
  vittu ezhuppalam-da. Mudhalla nee indha pakkam
  Last benchukku vaada.
  
  Attendance pottutaangalada ? enakku proxy
  kuduthuyada ? Sari naan vandhadhukku classukku
  sambadhamma oru question kaettkkuraen......
  Unna maadiri sambandhamae illamae Hi-Funda
  digression questions ennala kaetkkamudiyadhu :-))
  
  Professor Kanchana:
  
  Indha JEANS padathula varudhae...
  
  Columbus Columbus Vittachu Leaveu,
  Kondada kandu pidithu konda pudhu theevu
  endha Style Musicla pOtta paadal ?
  Chopsy-aa, Jazzy-aa ?, GizmOvaa ? Gypsy-aa :-)))
  
  Professor Reply:
  
  Bhaskar, Anga enna BS kooda paesikuttu irukka ?
  Bench maela nillu. Ippo dhaan class aarambichu
  irukku adhukkulla Leaveu-nnu solraa.
  
  Illa, Professor, BS dhaan enkooda paesinaan
  avanayum Bench maela nikka sollunga.
  
  Dai BS:
  
  Indha Subject-la indha Semester kooda
  Gottu dhaanda :-((( Ennada panradhu :-(((
  
  Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding .........
  
  Dai BS mani adichachu vaa vaa pOlaamda!
  Pakkathula Engineer padam shooting
  nadakudhaam Dixi-yaa paarkalaam vaada.
  
  mannAru:
  Bell adichachu, thoonginadhu pOdhum ezhundu
  vaanga pOlaam.
  
  Dai BS Oru Kings Dhammu irundha pathavaidaa :-)))
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ nas01ppp207.apts.wmich.edu) on: Fri Apr 3 21:37:19 EST 1998
  
  Bhaskar are you Ok??:)))))Bostonle mazhaiyile sila perukku konjam mental heheheha ayyiduchunn...hehehe neenga illennu theriyum but dhideernu Moondram pirai Sridevi madhiri pesa aarambichuttengalae adhaan oru doubt.Hope everythings fine:)))))
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-td03.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Apr 4 00:09:56 EST 1998
  
  Hai Ramki:
  
  Neenga eppo Engineer shootingkku
  vandheenga.
  
  
  Vaarayaen thozha!, Varayaen thozha!
  Vaa vandhu namma TFMDF lootti adi
  Valiba thozha vayasaana jOdi
  Vaai vittu seetti adi
  
  
  Indha paattula Fugue, Counterpoints & Cannons
  ellamae use panni oru pattu.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ nas01ppp197.apts.wmich.edu) on: Sat Apr 4 11:41:27 EST 1998
  
  Bhaskar??*!@$+**&%@@@@@@@??????
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tc06.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Apr 4 13:36:44 EST 1998
  
  Enna Ramki:
  
  Shooting-la Dixi-ya paarthu Mayangi
  vizhundhuteengala ? BS thanni irundha kondu vaada!
  Ramki mugathula konjam thaelikkalam!
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-to05.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Apr 4 17:36:37 EST 1998
  
  Now, back to regular classes after that unexpected break.....
  
  mannAru:
  I'm totally undeserving of your compliment, but thank you for your kindness. Let me try to answer your questions as much as I can.
  
  Re "theme" versus melody:
  Melody is the succession of tones which progress in time, making it the "soul of the musical piece". It is the tune we hum and whistle from the entire musical piece.
  A theme is the basic melodic kernel of a long composition, which is expanded and developed to obtain the whole piece or movement of the piece. The power of symphonic thinking lies in how this kernel is deleloped into an expanded composition. A basic technique in such a thematic development is the breaking up of a theme into its constituent motives--the smallest fragment of the theme which forms a melodic-rhythmic unit. Since rhythm is inclusive of meter, meter does belong in the motive (and hence, the theme).
  Coming to Beethoven's Fifth Symphony, Beethoven introduces the basic rhythmic idea of "three shorts and a long" in the first theme of the first movement, and repeats it in various sections of all the other movements. IMO, that symphony is a study in the use of superbly controlled rhythm.
  
  Re Key & Notes:
  When seven tones out of the twelve are selected to form a major or minor key, the other five become "outsiders" to that particular Tonic. These outside tones enter the composition as transients mainly to embellish melody or harmony; if the five foreign tones become too prominent then the key feeling becomes ambiguous. The Classical and Romantic Eras offer different treatments of the Tonic, which I'm skipping here.
  
  Hope this helps.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tc03.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Apr 6 00:40:54 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  
  I really liked your comments:
  Now, back to regular classes after that
  unexpected break..... :-))
  
  I got time to read all your postings about the
  Music only now. It was really great!
  
  I could understand a lot of things and could not
  understand a lot of things that you had explained.
  
  The reason for not understanding some of the
  explanations is the terminologies that is used
  for explaining the various things.
  
  Even though I was so late to this thread,
  I have really enjoyed this whole thread reading
  from the beginning.
  
  Thanks to Mux, mannAru & Arul for making this
  discussion more lively!
  
  Will be doing more Home Work on this and be
  back with more doubts!
  
  Dai BS, nee Home Work Seidhaaya ? :-)))
  
  Indha Semester eppadiyaavadhu kashtappattu
  paass aayidalaam!
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Mon Apr 6 11:03:55 EDT 1998
  
  For a very good introduction to 'listening to music' read 'What to listen for in Music' by one of America's greatest composers, Aaron Copland. The book es excellent - deals with all types of music - western classical music mainly but also film music, twentieth century music, jazz etc. Deals with fundamentals of melody, rhythm, tone color etc.
  
  This book is a classic. The only book of its kind by a composer. A must read for a music-lover. The paperback costs just about $4 (Amazon.com is cheapest).
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Mon Apr 6 12:02:56 EDT 1998
  
  PG:
  
  Thanks so much for your information on the book.
  
  Now, I am getting more curious about this subject!
  
  I am going to order it today!
  
  

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