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who comes next to SPB

Topic started by G.Suresh (@ 207-172-73-110.s47.as2.man.erols.com) on Wed Apr 1 13:21:53 EST 1998.
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I am G.Suresh for those of you who don't know me, this is my second posting in this forum , it is unfortunate that my earlier one 'Has Arr not copied Narumugaiyae' has to be deleted due to some controversies.

Coming to this latest one , We have lot of singers who resembles SPB in singing, closest being Mano, Arun Mozhi and on one song by Ramesh "Rahde en Radhe.." in Japanil Kalyana Raman, Can we identify here who comes next to SPB in terms of Soft voice and versatality. My choice is Arunmozhi , Awaiting response

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• From: Nallavanukku nallavan (@ 195.92.67.71) on: Sun Sep 2 04:36:07 EDT 2001
  
  I agree with both of you in most extent, but to be honest, I was not born when ghantasala was around, though I have many of his songs, I feel he lacks the punch & bass, but SPB is superior to Ghantasala in these aspects, I also feel, That SPB's expression outstands all singers in IFM, I also feel that SPB's voice has very deep bass & punch than of ghantasala.but nevertheless ghantasala was great but not the greatest.
  
  I also agree that being multillingual does not make an individual any better singer, ghantasala was restricted strictly to "telugu" &"tamil", where else SPB is multillingual, that does not make SPB any better than any singers in IFM, but SPB is the greatest out of all singers in IFM, I have heard M.rafi,KJY,Kishor,TMS, PBS,Ghantasala, B.murali Krsihna,M.vasudevan,mano, hariharan, Uk,Shanker.Kumar sanu, Udit narayan,sonu nigam
  
  All of these lack a lot of abilities of SPB, KJY was around for more time than SPB(atleaset 6 years more than SPB), but he also lack something of SPB,
  SPB is excellent in Carnatic, even though he knows nothing of carnatic.
  
  SPB is unique class of it's own!!!, no body can conquer SPB
  
  
  
  
• From: vardhini (@ 61.11.77.130) on: Sun Sep 2 07:45:31 EDT 2001
  
  nallavanaku nallavan, you are right in your analysis. there can be only one jesus chirst,mahatama gandhi,abraham lincoln,sivaji ganesan, unique in their respective fields . so is our SPB .
  
  
• From: Real SPB fan (@ 64.124.150.133) on: Sun Sep 2 10:15:11 EDT 2001
  
  chappaaththi chappaaththi thaan rotti rotti thaan....
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Mon Sep 3 07:32:37 EDT 2001
  
  Hello;
  
  who ever (idiots) question me abt DHCP, here is a detail, explanation of DHCP. Pls do not bring this issue again in this thread, cos this thread is abt SPB.
  
  >>
  Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) is a communications protocol that lets network administrators manage centrally and automate the assignment of Internet Protocol (IP) addresses in an organization's network. Using the Internet Protocol, each machine that can connect to the Internet needs a unique IP address. When an organization sets up its computer users with a connection to the Internet, an IP address must be assigned to each machine. Without DHCP, the IP address must be entered manually at each computer and, if computers move to another location in another part of the network, a new IP address must be entered. DHCP lets a network administrator supervise and distribute IP addresses from a central point and automatically sends a new IP address when a computer is plugged into a different place in the network.
  DHCP uses the concept of a "lease" or amount of time that a given IP address will be valid for a computer. The lease time can vary depending on how long a user is likely to require the Internet connection at a particular location. It's especially useful in education and other environments where users change frequently. Using very short leases, DHCP can dynamically reconfigure networks in which there are more computers than there are available IP addresses.
  DHCP supports static addresses for computers containing Web servers that need a permanent IP address.
  DHCP is an alternative to another network IP management protocol, Bootstrap Protocol (BOOTP). DHCP is a more advanced protocol, but both configuration management protocols are commonly used. Some organizations use both protocols, but understanding how and when to use them in the same organization is important. Some operating systems, including Windows NT/2000, come with DHCP servers. A DHCP or BOOTP client is a program that is located in (and perhaps downloaded to) each computer so that it can be configured.
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• From: Real SPB fan (@ 64.124.150.141) on: Mon Sep 3 09:21:50 EDT 2001
  
  chappaaththi chappaaththi thaan rotti rotti thaan....
  
  
• From: Arjunanan (@ 195.92.67.65) on: Sat Sep 8 15:52:43 EDT 2001
  
  No body, some body needs to be born to take SPB's place, he is unique singer, he is a singer of a unique class, in terms of voice, variation, modulation,expressing emotion, own style of singing which is admired by 99% of IFM singers.
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Sep 11 06:28:30 EDT 2001
  
  Hi;
  
  Does any body when SPB started his career, is it in 1966, if so was his first song in Telugu, or the tamil "iyarkai ennum illaya kanni".
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Prashanth (@ 202.142.159.26) on: Wed Sep 12 08:47:37 EDT 2001
  
  Hello Balu fans,
  
  Gaana Gandharva Balu's debutant song is in Telugu, his mother tongue, in MD S.P. Kodandapani's composition. It is a solo song. Year is not known to me. (pardon me)
  
  
• From: nimalan (@ 195.92.67.71) on: Thu Sep 13 09:10:43 EDT 2001
  
  Mudhalvan;
  
  I think the first IR & SPB combination in Tamil, was the song "mudhal mudhal aaga kadhal vanil" from the film " Niram maratha pookal", I am not sure about SPB & KVM combination.
  
  I just hope this genius live a lot longer & keep us all in love with his voice, god bless this genius.
  
  thanks
  
  Nimalan
  
  
• From: turtle wax (@ 213.122.54.83) on: Thu Sep 13 10:30:33 EDT 2001
  
  i think sanu is the best
  
  
• From: Arjunanan (@ 195.92.67.65) on: Fri Sep 14 04:37:24 EDT 2001
  
  Turtle wax
  
  Sanu is the king of nasal Feminine & bathroom singers, pls do not bring his name in to this thread, because he is digrace to india & to this TFM page
  
  
• From: Real Sanu fan (@ 64.124.150.145) on: Fri Sep 14 09:42:28 EDT 2001
  
  Sanu rulz!!
  
  
• From: Ranga (@ 195.92.67.66) on: Fri Sep 14 11:35:03 EDT 2001
  
  Real Sanu Fan;
  
  Go & chant your sanu slogan some where else & f**k off from this thread!
  
  
• From: Real Sanu fan (@ 216.104.228.113) on: Sat Sep 15 01:02:55 EDT 2001
  
  Ranga:
  
  Where are your manners? This is a public forum and anyone can express opinions. I am not stooping to your level. So I wont ask you to **** off.
  
  In my opinion, Sanu is the best singer in the world. Sanu rulz. SPB may come next to him (in my opinion)
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.149.105) on: Sat Sep 15 04:43:14 EDT 2001
  
  real sanu fan, i pity you for your lack of even fundamental knowledge of Indian Music. please do not disgrace this thread of spb.
  
  
• From: Music_fan (@ 195.92.67.69) on: Sat Sep 15 11:31:48 EDT 2001
  
  Dear all;
  
  I will start the debate with high respect to both SPB & Rafi.
  
  According to your posting Only rafi could do Justice at high pitches, which is not true SPB can also sing excellently at High pitches, if not better than Rafi,
  Take Rafi’s “'madhuban mein Radhika nache re”, he looses Shruthi, layam & flares at high pitches, he looses control with the swaram bit, now can you please provide a song where SPB ever flared at high pitches or lost control in swarams or shangathis, no never ever!
  
  Now take’s Shankaraaaa, Every one can sing from low notes (muthalan ghattai) to the highest note( ettank kattai) , no problem, but how many can sing vice versa?, only SPB. Listen carefully to shankaraaa, when nearly at the end of song, he sings from Highest pitch(ettankattai) to the lowest pitch (muthalankattai), even the great KJY was amazed by this, he told this in an sun_tv interview.
  
  Now lets talk about singing from lowest pitch(muthalnghatai) to the highest pitch(ettank kattai), have you seen the film “sirpikkul muthu (kamal, Radhika)”, where SPB talked for kaml in the film. Have you listen to “Thulli thulli neepaadam ma sithaiyamma”, where he amazingly starts below the lowest note, with great heavy bass singing “ aaaaaaahhhhh”, then step by step proceeds to the highest note(ettankattai), now if Rafi would have sung this, well I do not think he could have, because he will lack SPB’s heavy bass & punch, it is fact, accept it OK.
  
  Now let’s talk about SPB’s expression & why his expression is the best amongst the singers in IFM, Have you listened to “Junior Junior Junior, irru manam kondha thirumana vaalvil” from the film “avarghal”, where he sings for the puppet as well as Kamal Hasan, now tell me song where Rafi has done this???, another example is take “Khadavul amaithu vaitha media innaikkum kalyaan malai”, from aval oru thodar kathai, when he sings like animals, now tell me song where Rafi has done this???.
  
  Have you listened to “vaa machaa vaa, onarai peetai, oothikuttu vantheen naa”, where he sings like drunken man, Rafi can not sing like this man, I heard many, many of Rafi’s songs, he is only good for melodies, do you know in the Tamil version of “disco dancer”, the song I am disco dancer was rendered by SPB, can M.rafi do justice to that, NO.
  
  Have you heard Rafi’s “'parda hai parda “, he was always flaring at certain pitches, Rafi’s “'chAnd mEra dil” did not have any original punch, when he sang the song was dead, but SPB gave life to song with his magnificent voice & by adding his own style & he puts the word “door”, in the phrase 'chAnd mEra dil door', beautifully.
  As always Rafi lacked contrl in most of the songs.
  
  What about Rafi’s “'chchalkAyE jhAm'”, now compare that with “sorkamm madhuvile”, you can easily see that SPB outshine rafi. I know that SPB’s idol was Rafi, rafi was great, no doubt in that, but simple because SPB made lot of compliments about Rafi, does not make SPB any inferior to Rafi, nor does that make Rafi any Superior to SPB, because SPB is superior than Rafi in evry aspects of singing. SPB admires Unni Khrisnan & KJY for their carnatic abilities, now does that make UK & KJY better than SPB, certainly NOT!
  
  Have you heard SPB’s “vedham athanilum oru natham”, from salanghai oli, he another example of singing from highest pitch to the lowest pitch, simple amazing!
  
  I would also like to stress the fact “'madhuban mEin RadhikA nachE rE” was ordinary song which can rendered by any average singer, where else Shankaraparanm was most defienetly not in the league of 'madhuban mEin RadhikA nachE rE',
  
  SPB puts an expression & his own unique style in singing in every single word in the song, but Rafi does not, remember “namma oru singari singaporru vanthalam”, who else would have sung the song better, what about songs like “mannil intha kadhal indri”, from keladi kanmanni & “satham illatha thanimai ketten” from amarkalam!
  
  SPB is unique entity with no limitations & boundaries, only reason why M.rafi was more famous than SPB, was the fact M.rafi use to sing hindi songs & he was northie, but that does not mean he is the greatest singer in India, Bill Clinton is much more famous than vajbai that does not make vajbai stupid or dumb, or something like that,it SPB who is the greatest singer in India
  
  By the way SPB has won more National Awards, State awards, Filfare awards, Padmashree awards than any other singers in India, including M.rafi, KJY, Ghantasala.
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Sep 18 10:36:12 EDT 2001
  
  SPB’s gamakas are indeed very difficult to render, like sures said, I am also an amateur singer here in UK, I sing mostly SPB’s, KJY’s Kishor kumar’s songs in concerts, out of these singers, I find SPB’s song the most difficult to render, take “kamban engu poonan, shali enna annal “, from jathi mali , where SPB sings in lower note the bit “ithu utham illamaiyin yutham”, then switches to highest not (ettankattai), then returns back to “nallankatai”, this is very difficult to do, I do not think that Rafi could have sang this with the same effect of SPB.
  
  Take “kaligan kattu kaval illatha veetai pola” from Kailgan, where he does the same thing, OK rafi could have sang this with the same effect, but Rafi lacks the heavy bass & punch of SPB, rafi’s soft voice is only good for soft melody songs, hence he can not be as versatile as SPB.
  
  Take , “naanum unthan uravai, naadi vantha paravai”, from the film “mythili ennai kadhali”, where the entire song is rendered in aranghattai to ettankattai, go and listen to that song, then comment on SPB high notes capabilities!
  
  Now coming back to lowest notes (muthalan ghattai), here undoubtly SPB rules over M.Rafi, because SPB has a heavy bass & punch than Rafi, to sing in lowest note, you must have these assets, else it would sound feminine & nasal, like Hariharan UK,Udit narayan, Kumar sanu, sonu nigam (real feminine voice). Rafi had soft melodius voice which is not all that good in lower notes. So SPB rules over Rafi in Lower notes & versatility.
  Take “sa re ga ree ga ma tha pa”, from shankaraparanm, all sung in lower notes (muthalnghatti to moondram ghattai), take “ oru jeevan thaan un paadal than oyamal isaikintrathu”, from naan adimai illai, where the entire song is sung in lower notes, what an excellent bass, this SPB has?
  
  As you remember TMS was very good at higher notes, but never ever good at lower notes, Balamurali Krishna also has good bass, he is also a great singer.
  
  SPB puts an expression to all words in a song with a special effect, which is his unique style, take “nalla thoor veenai seithen”, from varumayin niram sigappu, he delivers excellent expression to each word in the song, take “unnaken meele nindrai o nantha lala”, the song starts from melody, soon it changes to fast beat song, he sings that beautifully.
  
  Take “bum chicku bum chiku “, from singaravelan, when he sings with children, what a voice, the children seems to fall in love with this guys voice.
  
  The song “neela vaan oodiyal”, is sung in higher note, yet he show no strain or what so ever, instead delivers it beautifully!, rafi could not have done that as sweetly as SPB
  
  Take “engaeyum ippothum sangeetham santhosham”, from ninaithale innikum, what a songs, he rocks
  
  
  

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