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Everything you always wanted to talk about ARR vs. IR but were afraid..

Topic started by rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on Wed Aug 18 17:12:52 EDT 1999.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Too many posters are using other topics to discuss/slam/comment/praise IR/ARR that I thought we could use this one thread as a catch all for all those posts. Welcome guys!!!

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Responses:

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• From: Diwakar (@ 206.175.177.168) on: Wed Aug 25 20:53:16 EDT 1999
  
  Srikanth not only knows whose questions to answer, but also which parts of the question :-)
  
  That was an aside.
  
  To contribute my mite to IR's DPs :
  
  1. Singari Sarakku ( Kaaki Chattai )
  2. Rukumani vandi varudhu ( Ponnu Oorukku Pudusu )
  3. Maaman voodu machi voodu
  4. Marugo marugo marugayi ( Not Sathi Leelavathi )
  5. Anne Anne ( Kozhi Koovudhu )
  6. Veetukku Veetukku
  
  and one in MSV style : Amman Koil kizhakkale :-)
  
  
• From: Misguided Soul (@ 98caef18.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Aug 25 22:22:15 EDT 1999
  
  Ada Inagappa Dapanguthuna Ennanu Theriyala. Dapanguthu na Summa pattu lineukku line summa vetti vetti povanuu apala vara lineu athai isthukkunu povanum. Muuzikkula athu inna athu athanpa antha Guitaru summa 'dang dang' nu pinnala vuruvannum.
  
  My peelingukku Rendu peruthan Dapanguthula periyala allu, onnu namma IRuu appala namma TR u matahavanga ellam serivarathu.
  
  Antha Sinagari Saraku eduthukae, Annathey Adarar Eduthhukae elai, namma thalaivaru pattu, pothuvaga Enmanasu Eduthhuka Athanpa - Athuthanpa Dapanguthu.
  
  
• From: RameshG (@ 98caef18.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Aug 25 22:33:57 EDT 1999
  
  Srikanth:
  
  As you say if we listen to an instrumental album we can look for the interludes alone.
  
  Then can I say, If I want to listen to Indian-Pop Music then I can listen to ARR songs.
  
  Sriram Lakshman
  
  Please do give up this habit of casting disparaging remarks about other MDs only to project your own idol.
  
  The entire Arguments started with Srikanth asking for ten new things IR has done to TFM and challenged everybody to come up with this (I feel like adding a few more lines here but refrain). People are trying to give their perspective of what they feel IR has done new and substantiate it (and in an argument sometimes attack is the best form of defense). I dont think anybody is trying to disparage other MD's.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 1cust235.tnt1.rantoul.il.da.uu.net) on: Thu Aug 26 01:00:26 EDT 1999
  
  IR was more popular for bringing that "Graamiya MaNam" to tamil songs. This is a general fact known to anyone who hears tfm. But this is new to me that he made Dappaanguthu popular! Please, pudhusu pudhusaa thOnaradha ellaam IR mela impose pannaadheenga, avar kuzhambidap pOrar!
  
  
• From: Subbudu (@ 98ceadad.ipt.aol.com) on: Thu Aug 26 01:30:40 EDT 1999
  
  Some more D.P of IR here
  Vachikava onna mattum Nenjukulla - Nallavanukku Nallavan
  Varudu Varudu Vilagu Vilagu - Some kamal movie
  katta vandi katta vandi - Sakalakalavallavan
  
  
• From: Sree (@ orchid.cs.concordia.ca) on: Thu Aug 26 02:10:11 EDT 1999
  
  Subbudu:
  Varudu Varudu is from "Sathya".
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ proxy1-external.moline1.il.home.com) on: Thu Aug 26 08:13:13 EDT 1999
  
  RameshG,
  ten new things IR has done to TFM -- still no one came with it, just repeated the same Dapankuthu style, considering dapankuthu as a "ilakiyam" is somewhat funny.
  Gramiya mamam: have any one heard songs in bagapirivinai. How about for a change looking for other stlyes in Raja's score.
  
  I still remember Raja was branded on the day one as a dapankuthu music director by many critics.
  It looks like friends here are giving many points to prove it.
  
  
  RameshG
  "Then can I say, If I want to listen to Indian-Pop Music then I can listen to ARR songs."
  ----- Suthama puriyala. - (listening to Arrr is at your disposal.)
  
  Diwaker:
  "Maaman voodu machi voodu , thanks to rarna venu gopabala. "
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Thu Aug 26 10:15:14 EDT 1999
  
  Hi
  
  From the postings here, I get a feel that dapanguthu is given a secondary statusas compared to melodies, WCM and other categories. The main characteristic of daapanguthu is its "simple-easy-to-hum" tune which would reach the village corners in Tamil Nadu in no time. Also, the accompanying instruments bring in the typical-village-street-side moods!! And the reachability of Dappanguthus to a common layman is more than any melodies or carnatic-raaga based scores.
  
  TFM which was largely dominated by carnatic numbers in 50s and 60s - there was a paucity of "catchy", "peppy" tunes for commoners.. then came numbers like "Sentamizh then mozhiyaal", "yaaradi nee mohini"... which filled in the "peppy" gap. Then came MSV and IR... IR should be given the credit for coming up with most catchy-tune-for-commoners. Yes, MSV also came up with dappanguthus as some of you have pointed out, but IR's contribution to TFM in Dappanguthus in terms of the number of the songs as well as their popularity is more than anyone else.
  
  In pre-IR days, its the tunes and vocals that took the precedence and instruments were given a secondary position as compared to vocals and tunes. The lyrcis (with Kannadasam at helm) were also considered as KEY to a song's success. The vocals, tunes and lyrics were relatively more important than the instruments.. With IR, came in the era of instruments being treated on par (& even more) with vocals and tunes. How many MDs before IR used the kinda instruments IR handled? And how many of them experimented with different instrumental arrangements? I am still amazed at IR's "Raaja, raajadhi raajan indha raaja" (agni nakshatiram) which had no string instruments, and solely carrying the song on percussions!! In fact, "raaja, raajadhi raajan" is a novel attempt by IR in producing a westernised daapangoothu!!
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: RameshG (@ 206.175.177.80) on: Thu Aug 26 12:10:58 EDT 1999
  
  Srikanth:
  Since You have addressed your previous post to me. I have not seriously compiled a list of 10 new things and will not becuase it doesn't matter to me.
  
  But just out of curiosity.
  Why is it that you want the list?.
  
  Is it that only if we come up with 10 new things list that you would accept IR as a great MD?.
  Is it that you would accept us as HCIRF's only if we come up with the list?.
  Is it that you have already compiled a list (like you have said before) and want to know if everybody comes up with the same list or a different List or any list atall?
  
  OR any other reason?.
  
  
• From: Swami (@ proxy2.ericy.com) on: Thu Aug 26 12:46:06 EDT 1999
  
  Till to date one thing I look for while listening to a song for the first time is, how much of impact it makes on me. That is, does it make me hum the song at the first instance and make me listen to it again & again. Then after that I look for the progressions in that song. This is how I analyze and dissect a song. I'm pretty sure each person in this forum will his/her own way of approach to a song.
  
  So if i lsiten to something new for the first time I feel that it is an innovation (maybe someone might have listened to it earlier). So I feel, from the past many years, each stage of IR's music updated my database :). They may not be new to all, but atleast new to me. So Mr.Srikanth, new to me might be old to you. The same reasoning hold good for each and every person in this forum. Your 10 new list might be old to me, as you think whatever we say is not that u expect. "Innovation lies in the ears of the listener".
  
  You are not accepting DP as a new thing to TFM. But MSV didn't suceed there. I quote BGM and again u come up with some other movie. Again MSV failed. tell me one single movie which is still remembered for its BGM. (Sriram I'm not degrading MSV, but give me a quote of example). The fact is MSV might not have had any references (I won't ever agree on this issue), but whom did IR have ref for DP, BGM, Fusion.......????
  
  You quote examples from old movies and say it was already done. The fact is I was not even born the time those songs came. I rarely would have had an opprtunity to listen to them (so would be many here). Then how can you start criticising about our ignorance of the DF'rs towards those songs. Similarly I cant' expect my 5 yr old neice/nephew to be familiar with "machaana partheengala". So please stop criticising people in this regard.
  
  Ok let me now quote, what I found new from IR,
  
  *Agni Nakshatram (no tabla used in any song)
  *Thamthana Thamthana taalam... (note never ends)
  *Poomalaye.... (over lapping)
  *Kalaivaniye....(note never comes down throught the song)
  *enna smayaloo (as per the lyrics in the song the raga, changes)
  
  This is al I could retrieve from my D/B now :)
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ proxy2-external.moline1.il.home.com) on: Thu Aug 26 13:40:09 EDT 1999
  
  Chandy:
  IR's "Raaja, raajadhi raajan indha raaja" (agni nakshatiram
  
  -- You are wrong, song has a (good) 5th and 9th chords progression placed over ths song.
  Listen it with little more attention or hear the original sound track from the video.
  
  Swami: ????/?..
  Thamthana Thamthana taalam...
  (note never ends)
  ?????
  *Poomalaye.... (over lapping) --- RECORDING GIMMICK.
  *enna smayaloo (as per the lyrics in the song the raga, changes -- pudimaya!....KVM has done this long time ago.
  
  
  My claim : People have started to credit IR for every aspect of tfm. This is not acceptable. IR was just one of the mentors, there are great compostion in past, I request people to explore them more, as there are more diamonds or gold etc etc at times better than IR in tfm.
  They should explore them as they do for IR song they hear. Do not give a step motherly treament to other MDS, and dont brand then them worthless.
  Just because you love IR.
  
  
  
  
• From: SM (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Thu Aug 26 14:33:10 EDT 1999
  
  Subbudu, Sree :
  
  "varudhu varudhu ada vilagu vilagu" is from 'Thoongaadhae Thambi Thoongaadhae'
  
  
• From: SM (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Thu Aug 26 14:49:27 EDT 1999
  
  From the discussions in this thread, I don't think any MD was branded worthless. Swami has given good points to substantiate his claim that IR has done lot of new things in TFM. So, Srikanth, do you accept Swami's claims on the "Kalaivaaniyae" song? MSV, KVM were all great in their own rights. But, at the same time, every person in this forum will have his own favourite MD and argue that his idol has done great service to TFM. So far, in this discussion, no MD was brought down. Swami and others have only argued that IR has done lot of new things and there was no posting that had disparaging remarks on MSV or KVM. Most of the people here wouldn't have been born when MSV was at the helm. They would have grown up hearing IR's music and so they wouldn't have necessarily heard many old songs or IR was giving them more than enough that they were completely satisfied and didn't hear many of the old songs.
  
  Srikanth, I'm sure you have a list of more than 10 things that IR has done new in TFM. Please list them as there are people like me who can only appreciate his music without knowing whether it was a new thing to TFM or not.
  
  
• From: Kumar Padmanabhan (@ proxy-552.public.rwc.webtv.net) on: Thu Aug 26 15:49:22 EDT 1999
  
  Chandy,
  
  I cannot agree with you more that we should not give have a condescending attitude to DPs. Sreekanth, while there may be string instruments in "Raajadhi Raaja", I think the coolness of the song is from the vocal harmony and the percussion. "Chiku buku Rayile" by ARR is one such incredibly cool song that comes to my mind. Both these songs took a "cult" place during their times.
  
  http://www.geocities.com/~p_kumar
  
  

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