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What do we want from IR in future ?

Topic started by Natarajan (@ pryout.mecon.com) on Wed Mar 11 14:49:39 EST 1998.
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Being the resposible fans of IR, shall we define what we want from IR in future ?

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• From: SitaRam (@ portal.ameritech.com) on: Wed Apr 7 18:52:49 EDT 1999
  
  IR is incomplete in his various achievements. He has done 750 movies so far and there is not a major hit in Hindi. Why is that? This does not make sense to me. Why can't he now look at fulfilling that dream of his well wishers. His fans want him to be a national star. Hasn't Kamal fought back and gone back to give great superhits in Hindi and is indeed a box office star despite his southie qualities. Kaml was explosive in his first hindi film, whereas IR did not succeed with Sadma that was too complex for hindi audience. IR can easily grab the hindi market if he adapted to that style which he does not do and so he did not succeed. Accordinhg to me, this Hindi market is serious situion. ARR could do it, Kamal fought back, Rajini did it, but why not IR?
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Apr 8 00:38:50 EDT 1999
  
  sitaram,
  ur posting has the answer for ur question. The fact is he didn't want to go there.
  
  calling Raja's achievements incomplete is a childish.
  
  BTW, why shud he give a hit in hindi. The HFM listeners like daler mehendi and baba sehgal, so they cud accept arr and anu malik . Cud they accept hridayanath mangeshkar ???
  
  They r not mature enough to appreciate raja's music.
  
  By they i mean most of them and not all, for i 've seen a UP guy in BITS who asked me for "EdhO mogam" ( in 1995 )!!
  
  
• From: Raja Fan (@ spider-tn042.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Apr 8 01:13:19 EDT 1999
  
  I also think IR needs to reach a wider cross section of Indians and not continue to compose for another 1000 southie films. Other south Indian composers did not have the opportunity at that time for a wider reach of his music. With the media going cable and national, ARR became the first brainchild of that startup phenomenon. IR should not discount that reaching a larger number of listeners is going to dilute his style. It is a question of balancing musical appreciation styles and one's personal convictions. ARR is an example of one who just had only that much and saw that listeners also needed only so much music. That means lesser effort for IR, but more strategic thinking and adaptation by IR. This is one skill that IR would not try but if he made up his mind, there is no stopping. To tell that IR cannot achieve something is like telling the earth cannot foster all types of creations. ARR is a moder pop icon who has united all of India in one swing of his limited musical ability. Does that mean, IR does not want to also bring the country in unison to his tunes. Is he that selfish to just say beyond South India, I don't care?
  
  
• From: another_raja_fan (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Apr 8 13:23:08 EDT 1999
  
  Raja Fan,
  
  U try something really great and people appreciate a stuff which is nothing before ur creation , u'll know why raja refrains from HFM.
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Thu Apr 8 14:27:38 EDT 1999
  
  IR has reached a stage where he can call his own shots.. he can afford to experiment with different kinds of music and styles. Instead of composing music for movies like chinnadurai etc, he should be more selective and ensure that he gives out only quality music, even if they are less in number.
  
  IR is beyond money and fame now. He doesnt need to depend on TFM or HFM. Its time for him to reach greater heights in his musical experimentations. Symphony was one such step.. he needs to move more in that direction!
  
  IMO, there is no need for IR to go out and patch up with Maniratnam or VM just to get a career-boost. There no denying that a patch up is desirable, but not for the sake of a career-resurgence, but more for the cause of music! And IR can produce great music even without the help of VM / MR or others! Moving beyond FM, and entering different forays of musical world would be apt for this living musical legend!!
  
  
• From: lottu (@ globalb25.citicorp.com) on: Thu Apr 8 14:38:48 EDT 1999
  
  chandy: IR is beyond money and fame now. Vikatan, few weeks back, featured an interview /article about IR having deep financial crisis. Has he recoverd now ???
  
  
• From: SitaRam (@ portal.ameritech.com) on: Thu Apr 8 14:49:57 EDT 1999
  
  Shankar, if IR has composed for nearly 700 films 99% in only 4 languages and not giving Hindi market any attention means IR's work is still incomplete in more than one sense. Many music directors have not done so many films and yet have a all India recognition/even take the Hindi composers themselves are known all over South even though they did not make local film songs. Outside TN would anyone sing a Tamil song in preference to a more popular Hindi song? Even Tamilians in Bombay, Bangalore don't care much for a Tamil song when they themselves feel more comfortable that Hindi film music is more popular and easier to appreciate.
  
  So, don't call my remark childish. See my statement in different light in a mature fashion. To come up topics like this and many others in this forum is childish because we are coming up with wish list like children and thinking of our childhood. Nothin wrong because we are enjoying this.
  
  
• From: Diwakar (@ 206.175.177.168) on: Thu Apr 8 15:10:32 EDT 1999
  
  Sitaram you are partly right. Outside TN anyone will sing a Tamil song dubbed in Hindi. ARR's hits are examples of this. If we are talking about the music per se sans lyrics - and that is the point of this discussion - people outside TN are singing Tamil songs.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Thu Apr 8 16:03:01 EDT 1999
  
  I dont see why there is a obsession with this Hindi market. The bigger market is the world market. Popular music is different from the Classier approach which IR has. Even in the recent interview on AsiaNet TV he mentions that he tried to start an 75-member orchestra. For eg. anybody would know 'Back Street boys' or 'Spice Girls' than say Philip Glass or Yo Yo Ma. It all depends on what you want to be. I am sure IR does not care for such things. He is a very creative person. He does some music and if people like it they go to him. Thats it. He has his own ideas what music is or how it should be composed. Its his prerogative to change or not change. Similarly, if we like it we should buy more of his work or ignore if we dont. This is how really creative people work.
  
  Please do not compare ARR with IR. IR is a 'creator' whereas ARR is a 'vendor'. We really need 'creators' amongst us.
  
  So I suggest that we encourage IR to do what he wants best to do.
  
  1) For eg. we could help him release an album with full fledged fusion of Western Classical and Indian music.
  
  2) We could comission him to do some symphonic compositions which can be produced by a Western Classical Orchestra in the US.
  
  3) We could let him come up with an album containing folk music from various parts of TN. We could get Vijayalakshmi NavaneethaKrishnan to work with him on this.
  
  4) We could get him to compose only with traditional musical instruments which will document their sound for posterity.
  
  Sitaram, I appreciate your motives but you are mistaken. IR and we should not worry about the popularity of his music in other regions. Even in TN he is popular not necessarily for his musically good compositions. But we all know his immense musical creativity. And we should let it flower with our support.
  
  
• From: Critic (@ midaspse142.library.mcgill.ca) on: Thu Apr 8 17:55:54 EDT 1999
  
  Kiru:
  
  U like IR to become modern Beethoven.
  
  
• From: Critic (@ midaspse142.library.mcgill.ca) on: Thu Apr 8 17:56:05 EDT 1999
  
  Kiru:
  
  U like IR to become modern Beethoven.
  
  
• From: Critic (@ midaspse142.library.mcgill.ca) on: Thu Apr 8 17:56:16 EDT 1999
  
  Kiru:
  
  U like IR to become modern Beethoven.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.129) on: Fri Apr 9 00:14:45 EDT 1999
  
  Kiru:
  I agree with most of your statements. As an admirers of Raja, we should hope for classier outputs from him. I'm reproducing here my posting in the Marudhanayagam thread:
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  Vimal!
  I fail to understand what you mean by `IR badly needs a break'?? Well, he would have needed it in 1975 or 1976. 2 decades from then, after climbing all the `everests' in south film field -which includes a language that is an official language of at least three NATIONS (I mean our lovely mother tongue), what kind of break do you mean man?
  
  Do you mean he should compose for some X movie in a filmfield shrouded with plagiarists and tasteless buddies with a state-pushed language spoken in some parts -like lallu's bihar - of one country?
  
  Come on, lets hope for some better works for Raja! He does not need any film anymore to etch out a niche in the hearts of at least a million of admirers! (This is a gross underestimate considering the world Tamizh population of around 70 mn)
  
  IMHO, he should be doing something classical-like releasing his syomphony at any cost - to get bracketed into the realm where he will be remembered after 10 generations from now! Or he should come out with a classic like Thirukkural or Kambaramayana in Music (Why not a great work like `Kuralum Kuzhalum' featuring the complete work of Thiruvalluvar with great instrumental accompaniment and lovely tunes?)!
  
  That is what we should wish for Raja! No more movie stuff - let his sons take care of that area which is too low for IR to stoop down now -even if it is a project by Kamal, MR, BR or KB for that matter. They're worth the music of only ARR, KR or YSR.
  
  Raja is a much sought-after-musician even now in south film field (I'm writing this sitting at Kerala where he is held in very very high esteem), a time when even his children have started composing! What is there for him to prove or break-into?
  
  If he has any monetary issues, let him release a statement! There are a million to support him on their heads for the rest of his lifetime. WE WANT EXTRA-MOVIAL STUFF FROM RAJA - least of the Sharukkkan kind of movie stuff anyway!
  
  Sorry if I have sounded crazy! But to think of Raja-needing-a-break caught on my nerve, really, after living with his music for 22+ years!!
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  Hence let's not let Raja waste him time and energy any longer in the beaten track of films. We'll expect him to create some music that will last for 10-20 generations.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.129) on: Fri Apr 9 00:18:15 EDT 1999
  
  TYpo:
  `an admirers' to read `admirers'
  `waste him' to read `waste his'
  Sorry
  
  
• From: raja (@ ws-209-201-91-35.icon.com) on: Fri Apr 9 09:33:44 EDT 1999
  
  Kiru:
  
  Who is Vijayalakshmi Navaneethakrishnan - I have heard her name in DF earlier - dont know anything about her.
  
  

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